Re: [Orgmode] Re: Introducing gnugol - an org-mode-output web search client
On 01/06/2011 09:06 AM, Allen S. Rout wrote: Dave Taht d...@teklibre.org writes: So over the holiday I wrote a command line web search client with an emacs interface and called it gnugol. It uses the google json and bing json APIs to search the web, and outputs the results in plain text, in whatever format you're working in, notably, org, so you can navigate the results in the mind-set you're in. [...] On unrelated surfing (reddit), I ran into this: http://surfraw.alioth.debian.org/ I credit surfraw with inspiration in my documentation (which is less funny than theirs!). I've been using that - or something like it - for years. I should get in touch with them. My problem was more that 1) I've never got emacs's shells to display even simple applications like elinks properly 2) I remember questions as keywords and find the effort of bookmarking the results too much 3) Going from the Emacs org (or markdown) UI to webspace is really disconcerting for me. My fingers do emacs, my eyeballs like green on white, and I'd actually like the results spoken aloud whenever I get the latest emacspeak working... I love getting the results back in an outline form - tab to expand - I'd like to add something like org-keys... 4) And gnugol is FAST. Innumerable other advantages detailed on the web site and doc. Do you think it's possible that your two powers combined, would make you INVINCIBLE? No. :/ It would be helpful, however, to come up with marginally better search of any sort in the general case. This week I prototyped an interface to stackoverflow (and got a little snarky about the issue in a blog entry: http://nex-6.taht.net/posts/Screen_Space/ ). Sean Conner and Brian Clapper been improving the C code considerably. Not so much work on the elisp. :( Do do a git pull and build regularly and have a look at the git log for details. The positive feedback, help, interesting ideas, so far, have been wonderful. I don't know how much they dink with the return stream; it may be not at all, which would be inauspicious for a combination. But if they're They don't. They do support 100+ engines however, and can be very useful. doing any sort of output capture/filter, then adding an org-mode flavor to the list might be really straightforward. I see centralized search devolving to the point to where we do need end user filtering - not just anti-spam techniques but also bayesnian filtering, and reputation servers, and white/blacklists to improve the quality. There's been a lot of discussion of the recent decline in google's results on various forums of late. I've been finding the bing support more useful than I thought. - Allen S. Rout ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Introducing gnugol - an org-mode-output web search client
On 01/06/2011 10:19 AM, brian powell wrote: I'll see you're surfraw; and, I'll raise you a goosh: http://goosh.org Cute! ---maybe gnugol could work with goosh somehow? Not unless it went green on white! ---works from an Emacs Shell/eshell too: ** Example/possibilities: apt-get install surfraw ... [[eshell:*eshell*:(rename-buffer vvv)]] [[eshell:*eshell*:(rename-buffer ttt)]] [[eshell:vvv:date]] [[eshell:ttt:sr wikipedia goosh]] I see where you are going with this and I like it. One conceptual problem here is the meta-data format. Shell commmand line has the idea of argument separators as spaces and strings. Although utf-8 almost works well at the command line, I would have liked it if unicode had given programmers their own glyph and character set to work in, so we wouldn't have to go so crazy escaping the concepts that we'd wedged into ASCII in the 80s. BUT html/xml have a totally different concept of metadata than that, as does org-mode... json comes close to being a command line format that could be parsed using conventional piping/filters. In the beginning I thought I'd have gnugol output Lisp forms and the interface be more like bbdb. There is a pretty clean json parser for emacs however, and I've been thinking of using that. ---provided you have the new org-eshell.el I didn't know this existed, cool, I'll fiddle. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Introducing gnugol - an org-mode-output web search client
On 01/08/2011 09:21 AM, Dave Taht wrote: On 01/06/2011 09:06 AM, Allen S. Rout wrote: 3) Going from the Emacs org (or markdown) UI to webspace is really disconcerting for me. My fingers do emacs, my eyeballs like green on white, Correction: green on *black*... the white of most web pages is so mentally dazzling it even drowns out my ability to type the word, black... So while I'm on this subject is there a good way to good way to match the org-mode emacs color theme with the html output? ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Introducing gnugol - an org-mode-output web search client
I know--the *eshell* is not necessary too--its illustrative--its just an example--showing that you could (using your new module) create multiple asynchronous/coprocesses (in their own dedicated buffers) uniquely named shells and maybe make calls out to goosh and use surfraw and/or gnugol somehow. And, many thanks to you too Konrad for your new org-eshell.el module--hopefully more people will realize the possibilities of these great tools. Eshell has some unique properties that ought to be explored more. On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 3:11 PM, Konrad Hinsen konrad.hin...@fastmail.netwrote: On 6 Jan 2011, at 19:19, brian powell wrote: ** Example/possibilities: apt-get install surfraw ... [[eshell:*eshell*:(rename-buffer vvv)]] [[eshell:*eshell*:(rename-buffer ttt)]] There's no need for those two lines, because... [[eshell:vvv:date]] ... this one will create the eshell buffer vvv if it doesn't exist already. [[eshell:ttt:sr wikipedia goosh]] Same here. Konrad. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Re: Introducing gnugol - an org-mode-output web search client
Dave Taht d...@teklibre.org writes: So over the holiday I wrote a command line web search client with an emacs interface and called it gnugol. It uses the google json and bing json APIs to search the web, and outputs the results in plain text, in whatever format you're working in, notably, org, so you can navigate the results in the mind-set you're in. [...] On unrelated surfing (reddit), I ran into this: http://surfraw.alioth.debian.org/ Do you think it's possible that your two powers combined, would make you INVINCIBLE? I don't know how much they dink with the return stream; it may be not at all, which would be inauspicious for a combination. But if they're doing any sort of output capture/filter, then adding an org-mode flavor to the list might be really straightforward. - Allen S. Rout ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Introducing gnugol - an org-mode-output web search client
On 6 Jan 2011, at 19:19, brian powell wrote: ** Example/possibilities: apt-get install surfraw ... [[eshell:*eshell*:(rename-buffer vvv)]] [[eshell:*eshell*:(rename-buffer ttt)]] There's no need for those two lines, because... [[eshell:vvv:date]] ... this one will create the eshell buffer vvv if it doesn't exist already. [[eshell:ttt:sr wikipedia goosh]] Same here. Konrad. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Re: Introducing gnugol - an org-mode-output web search client
Dave Taht d...@teklibre.org writes: A fix for one of the problems reported on this list (by bart, thx!) was to make sure that the path /usr/local/lib was in /etc/ld.so.conf or in /etc/ld.so.conf.d and to run sudo ldconfig after installing libjannson. I've updated the documentation to reflect his. That really shouldn't be necessary for locally built applications since these already know where the libraries are installed. In fact doing it this way opens a potential security hole since now the dynamic loader trusts libraries in /usr/local/lib/ and may prefer it over system libraries for _all_ applications (you may or may not want this behaviour, but in any case should be aware of it). Better set up the correct runtime search path with an '-rpath=dir' argument to the linker invocation for the install and you never need to invoke ldconfig. Anything installed in /usr/local shouldn't require full administrator privileges and certainly not alter the system behaviour. That most Linux distributions don't make that distinction between system and local applications anymore doesn't mean it's the correct thing to do... Achim. -- +[Q+ Matrix-12 WAVE#46+305 Neuron microQkb Andromeda XTk Blofeld]+ SD adaptation for Waldorf rackAttack V1.04R1: http://Synth.Stromeko.net/Downloads.html#WaldorfSDada ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Re: Introducing gnugol - an org-mode-output web search client
Bart Bunting b...@ursys.com.au writes: Running into a few issues at the moment: I did download and build the jansson library which is installed in /usr/local However when I run gnugol I'm seeing the following error: Errors: google(1): ../engines/google.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory google: failed to acquire shared lib Warnings:google(1): Not in default location, error: libjansson.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory You will either need to set up the DT_RUNPATH section in the executable to point to where the library is installed or set up the LD_LIBRARY_PATH environment variable to include the correct location. The first option requires to edit the linker invocation in the makefile, while the latter is best done via a wrapper script that then calls the executable. I have the *.so files from gnugol in the default place that the makefile puts them, /var/lib/gnugol. I also tried simlinking them into /usr/local/lib but this doesn't appear to make any difference. The error also suggests that the janson library isn't being found. Although the ldd output doesn't appear to list it? Try 'ldd -v', if that also doesn't show anything, then most likely the program itself dynamically loads new libraries at runtime (probably after a fork). Setting LD_TRACE_LOADED_OBJECTS (preferrably in a wrapper script) to something non-empty should then give some ldd-like output. Achim. -- +[Q+ Matrix-12 WAVE#46+305 Neuron microQkb Andromeda XTk Blofeld]+ Wavetables for the Waldorf Blofeld: http://Synth.Stromeko.net/Downloads.html#BlofeldUserWavetables ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Introducing gnugol - an org-mode-output web search client
Hi Achim, I had made the silly mistake of not remembering to run ldconfig. Once this was done the janson libraries were found and gnugol started working for me. Apollogies I didn't get around to posting the fix/thing to remember earlier. Thank you very much though for the information, it has taught me several things I didn't know about tracing things like this. Cheers Bart On Tue, 04 Jan 2011 11:06:38 +0100, Achim Gratz strom...@nexgo.de wrote: Bart Bunting b...@ursys.com.au writes: Running into a few issues at the moment: I did download and build the jansson library which is installed in /usr/local However when I run gnugol I'm seeing the following error: Errors: google(1): ../engines/google.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory google: failed to acquire shared lib Warnings:google(1): Not in default location, error: libjansson.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory You will either need to set up the DT_RUNPATH section in the executable to point to where the library is installed or set up the LD_LIBRARY_PATH environment variable to include the correct location. The first option requires to edit the linker invocation in the makefile, while the latter is best done via a wrapper script that then calls the executable. I have the *.so files from gnugol in the default place that the makefile puts them, /var/lib/gnugol. I also tried simlinking them into /usr/local/lib but this doesn't appear to make any difference. The error also suggests that the janson library isn't being found. Although the ldd output doesn't appear to list it? Try 'ldd -v', if that also doesn't show anything, then most likely the program itself dynamically loads new libraries at runtime (probably after a fork). Setting LD_TRACE_LOADED_OBJECTS (preferrably in a wrapper script) to something non-empty should then give some ldd-like output. Achim. -- +[Q+ Matrix-12 WAVE#46+305 Neuron microQkb Andromeda XTk Blofeld]+ Wavetables for the Waldorf Blofeld: http://Synth.Stromeko.net/Downloads.html#BlofeldUserWavetables ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode -- Bart Bunting URSYS Pty. Ltd 13 Burwood Rd. Burwood NSW 2134 Australia Ph. +61 2 8745 2811 Fax +61 2 8745 2828 ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Re: Introducing gnugol - an org-mode-output web search client
Hi Dave, Dave Taht d...@teklibre.org writes: On 01/04/2011 01:17 AM, Bastien wrote: Looks interesting! It's so awesome to have people trying this - my last project had 2 users total I agree that this looks very interesting. Thanks! I'm using ArchLinux. I installed jansson from `yaourt -S jansson', jansson compiles fine. I then looked for curl-dev but couldn't find it in ArchLinux. If you got this far on the build, you probably have the curl-dev dependency resolved via other means. libcurl-dev? I believe that on Arch libcurl is included in the curl package. Best, Matt ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
