Re: [Orgmode] Re: Org-mode screencasts
Richard, That's a great intro screencast. Scot On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 7:41 PM, Jeff Kowalczyk j...@yahoo.com wrote: Eric Abrahamsen eric at ericabrahamsen.net writes: One thing that would be really excellent is to show keystrokes as you do the tutorial. I don't know what system you're using, but this link: http://screencasters.heathenx.org/blog/2009/04/06/smaller-key-status-monitor/ Rustom Mody wrote: mwe-log-commands may be particularly useful for an emacs related screencast http://www.foldr.org/~michaelw/emacs/mwe-log-commands.el It would be extremely nice for screencasting Emacs to have a configurable input and prompt display similar to the calc trail. Wish list: - stack view of the keystream from view-lossage - annotations (i.e. an overlay) when a binding dispatches a command using the mechanism from mwe-log-commands. - annotations of minibuffer prompts - annotations of keybinding hints The view-lossage stream doesn't use the format one would want for user documentation: C-x b f o o return return menu v i e w - l o s s a g e return Something like the following would be more like documentation: C-x b [switch-to-buffer] f o o RET [minibuffer input] RET [minibuffer prompt confirm] [visiting buffer] foo M-x [menu] v i e w - l o s s a g e RET [minibuffer input] [visiting buffer] *Help* The parts in [brackets] are intended to indicate some kind of face overlay. As uncolored plaintext the information is just distracting. Another tool, http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/ScreencastMode has good ideas for keybinding hints and one-key stepthrough. I don't think the typed-text narration style is a good fit for these particular screencasts and their target audience, however. Jeff ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Re: Org-mode screencasts
Unfortunately neither istanbul nor recordmydesktop work properly on my twinview desktop : both are very very slow and flickery. What is the current concensus for screencasting with Linux : hopefully with some sort of ability to show the keys pressed and an easy way to annotate the video? Scot Becker scot.bec...@gmail.com writes: Richard, That's a great intro screencast. Scot On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 7:41 PM, Jeff Kowalczyk j...@yahoo.com wrote: Eric Abrahamsen eric at ericabrahamsen.net writes: One thing that would be really excellent is to show keystrokes as you do the tutorial. I don't know what system you're using, but this link: http://screencasters.heathenx.org/blog/2009/04/06/smaller-key-status-monitor/ Rustom Mody wrote: mwe-log-commands may be particularly useful for an emacs related screencast http://www.foldr.org/~michaelw/emacs/mwe-log-commands.el It would be extremely nice for screencasting Emacs to have a configurable input and prompt display similar to the calc trail. Wish list: - stack view of the keystream from view-lossage - annotations (i.e. an overlay) when a binding dispatches a command using the mechanism from mwe-log-commands. - annotations of minibuffer prompts - annotations of keybinding hints The view-lossage stream doesn't use the format one would want for user documentation: C-x b f o o return return menu v i e w - l o s s a g e return Something like the following would be more like documentation: C-x b [switch-to-buffer] f o o RET [minibuffer input] RET [minibuffer prompt confirm] [visiting buffer] foo M-x [menu] v i e w - l o s s a g e RET [minibuffer input] [visiting buffer] *Help* The parts in [brackets] are intended to indicate some kind of face overlay. As uncolored plaintext the information is just distracting. Another tool, http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/ScreencastMode has good ideas for keybinding hints and one-key stepthrough. I don't think the typed-text narration style is a good fit for these particular screencasts and their target audience, however. Jeff ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode -- ☘ http://www.shamrockirishbar.com, http://splash-of-open-sauce.blogspot.com/ http://www.richardriley.net ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Org-mode screencasts
Hi Le vendredi 24 septembre 2010 à 11:10 +0800, Eric Abrahamsen a écrit : One thing that would be really excellent is to show keystrokes as you do the tutorial. I don't know what system you're using, but this link: http://screencasters.heathenx.org/blog/2009/04/06/smaller-key-status-monitor/ Sounds like it might be okay for Linux, and this one has some (seriously ugly) options for Windows: http://dan.hersam.com/2009/05/01/how-to-display-keystrokes-for-screencasts-on-windows/ Macs have KeyCastr or something like that… I've seen use of : http://pabloseminario.com/projects/screenkey/ on Ubuntu, that was quite nice for this I guess. My 2 cents, Best regards, -- Olivier BERGER olivier.ber...@it-sudparis.eu http://www-public.it-sudparis.eu/~berger_o/ - OpenPGP-Id: 2048R/5819D7E8 Ingénieur Recherche - Dept INF Institut TELECOM, SudParis (http://www.it-sudparis.eu/), Evry (France) ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Re: Org-mode screencasts
Eric Abrahamsen eric at ericabrahamsen.net writes: One thing that would be really excellent is to show keystrokes as you do the tutorial. I don't know what system you're using, but this link: http://screencasters.heathenx.org/blog/2009/04/06/smaller-key-status-monitor/ Rustom Mody wrote: mwe-log-commands may be particularly useful for an emacs related screencast http://www.foldr.org/~michaelw/emacs/mwe-log-commands.el It would be extremely nice for screencasting Emacs to have a configurable input and prompt display similar to the calc trail. Wish list: - stack view of the keystream from view-lossage - annotations (i.e. an overlay) when a binding dispatches a command using the mechanism from mwe-log-commands. - annotations of minibuffer prompts - annotations of keybinding hints The view-lossage stream doesn't use the format one would want for user documentation: C-x b f o o return return menu v i e w - l o s s a g e return Something like the following would be more like documentation: C-x b [switch-to-buffer] f o o RET [minibuffer input] RET [minibuffer prompt confirm] [visiting buffer] foo M-x [menu] v i e w - l o s s a g e RET [minibuffer input] [visiting buffer] *Help* The parts in [brackets] are intended to indicate some kind of face overlay. As uncolored plaintext the information is just distracting. Another tool, http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/ScreencastMode has good ideas for keybinding hints and one-key stepthrough. I don't think the typed-text narration style is a good fit for these particular screencasts and their target audience, however. Jeff ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Org-mode screencasts
I just wanted to follow up and point out that I added the following page to Worg (linked from the Tutorials page): http://orgmode.org/worg/org-tutorials/org-screencasts/ I re-recorded the last screencast to make the keystrokes more clear. I'm considering it done unless you guys find anything else I should add/fix. If anyone would like to contribute ideas or scripts for screencasts in the future, please let me know. I'd be happy to do the production/recording/voiceover, but help planning the script would be great. Thanks, Richard On Sep 23, 2010, at 11:09 PM, John Hendy wrote: Wow, Richard. That was sweet. You even have a pleasing screencaster's voice. My only thought was along the lines of what one should assume about org-mode viewers. Familiarity with emacs? No knowledge of emacs? I only got into emacs because I found org-mode, so my only thought there is that I might not even have known what meta was... I can't recall, but did you clarify meta = alt on Win/Linux and Command on Mac? Stuff like that might be helpful. Obviously these won't all be done on a Mac and some unfamiliar with it might wonder what the Command and carat symbols are on their own keyboards? As Erik said -- folding and perhaps adjusting in and out (meta + left/right). Also, it seems that only the meta or control functions show up as keystrokes. For example, I thought you said M-n s and M-n w to narrow on the tree and then widen the view but I only ever saw one part of that flash on the screen. Great, great job. Loved it and think this is exactly what Org could use. I have a co-worker who just got emacs and org-mode up on his computer and would love to have something this simple and clear-cut. Great work, again. John On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 9:54 PM, Erik Iverson er...@ccbr.umn.edu wrote: On 09/23/2010 07:45 PM, Richard Moreland wrote: I jumped the gun a bit and decided to put together a video showing the very basics. It seems overly simple when I re-watch it, but I think it is helpful for those who are unsure how to get started with the basics of Org-mode. http://ncogni.to/org-screencasts/1-basics/ Feedback is welcome, these were the least exciting topics to cover, but I wasn't sure how to really wow new users without overwhelming them. I figured that taking it step by step with short, clear episodes covering special topics would be a good start. Really nice, agree that the intro is the least exciting. But even starting with agendas in the next one, the more interesting things can be shown. Great job! So with the software you use, you can go and insert/delete/edit voice into the presentation once it's complete, or if you want to change the wording in one part, do you have to record the whole thing over again? I assume you can change it, but don't know if the Linux tool has that capability. -Richard On Sep 23, 2010, at 6:47 PM, Charles Cave wrote: Richard Morelandrlmat ncogni.to writes: I think it would be helpful to create a series of screencasts to demonstrate Org-mode. Great idea! I would he happy to record a couple of screencasts based on tutorials I have written. Currently I am preparing a tutorial on date trees and capturing notes to a journal. I am a Windows user and a screencast tool I use is http://www.screenr.com - from Articulate. This allows screencasts up to 5 minutes to be recorded then hosted on their website. Charles ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Re: Org-mode screencasts
Richard Moreland r...@ncogni.to writes: http://ncogni.to/org-screencasts/1-basics/ , | This ScreenFlow video requires a more recent version of the Adobe Flash | Player to display. Please update your version of the Adobe Flash Player. ` ... ?!?! Gr!!! wget http://ncogni.to/org-screencasts/1-basics/movie.f4v vlc movie.f4v Aaaah! Well done :) Memnon ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Re: Org-mode screencasts
Hi Richard: I really like the video! I know some Emacs users have custom color screens, so I was very encouraged that you recorded the tutorial using the default. (I switched back to the default specifically for Org-mode.) I also liked seeing the keystrokes (even though I'm a Windows PC user). I do know what the Meta key is (having used Emacs for over 10 years.) But maybe the Mac command key image could be replaced by M- to be consistent with Emacs documentation. I never knew about using M-Up M-Down to re-order items, so I did learn from this! I thought the pace was too fast, actually. Some of the keystrokes went by very fast. And some were missing, although now I realize that you highlighted only the Org-mode-specific keys and not the ones for Emacs functions, such as narrowing. Maybe it's just me, but I never use narrowing, so those are new keys for me. Overall I felt that the pace would be good for a recap. I tried using Org-mode several months ago. But I never fully embraced it. I'm sure tutorials like yours will give me the incentive to use it regularly. I definitely look forward to watching more, and I will try hard to respond often with helpful comments. I hope this helps! -- Raymond Zeitler r.zeit...@ieee.org -Original Message- Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 20:45:30 -0400 From: Richard Moreland r...@ncogni.to Subject: Re: [Orgmode] Re: Org-mode screencasts To: Charles Cave charles_c...@optusnet.com.au Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Message-ID: f359ee5e-d8cf-4728-a3b9-03b01c78d...@ncogni.to Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I jumped the gun a bit and decided to put together a video showing the very basics. It seems overly simple when I re-watch it, but I think it is helpful for those who are unsure how to get started with the basics of Org-mode. http://ncogni.to/org-screencasts/1-basics/ Feedback is welcome, these were the least exciting topics to cover, but I wasn't sure how to really wow new users without overwhelming them. I figured that taking it step by step with short, clear episodes covering special topics would be a good start. -Richard On Sep 23, 2010, at 6:47 PM, Charles Cave wrote: Richard Moreland rlm at ncogni.to writes: I think it would be helpful to create a series of screencasts to demonstrate Org-mode. Great idea! I would he happy to record a couple of screencasts based on tutorials I have written. Currently I am preparing a tutorial on date trees and capturing notes to a journal. I am a Windows user and a screencast tool I use is http://www.screenr.com - from Articulate. This allows screencasts up to 5 minutes to be recorded then hosted on their website. Charles ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Org-mode screencasts
Dear Richard, great job: great voice and an excellent way to get started! - ScreenFlow is probably the best (commercial) choice on the Mac, we also used it for Carsten's presentation at our institute. - One thing about showing the keystrokes: we prefer to use Aquamacs on the Mac (not least because it works out-of-the-box with a German keyboard and the usual Mac shortcuts), here Meta usually is the Alt key, another argument for not showing the Mac-specific Cmd-key icon. We now use Org-mode to create personal pages for staff members of our institute, unfortunately, some parts of the documentation still need an English version: http://www.nf.mpg.de/cv-howto/cv-en.html. This example even implements hCard markup, http://www.nf.mpg.de/cv-howto/ex3-en.html (this was triggered by a suggestion from Shelagh Manton on this list). Your screencast has given me some ideas on how to present something on HTML generation with Org-mode as a screencast - maybe we can collaborate on this? Warm regards, Stefan On 24.09.2010, at 05:34, Richard Moreland wrote: Erik, thanks for the reminder about folding. I had it in my script and must've lost it in one of the edits. I do prefer making these on the Mac. It makes piecing them together much easier. Recordmydesktop on Linux will do single takes fine, but stitching it together in the end may be a chore. Maybe you guys are good enough to do it all in one take though :) John, you raise good points about what we can expect of the viewer. I'm open to suggestions, in fact maybe a 'Just enough Emacs for Org-mode' intro could help newcomers to Emacs who are here just for Org-mode (like I was a year ago). Some of these issues could also be addressed on the episode's webpage, which would link to relevant docs and info. As far as some of the missing keystrokes, I was trying to find a balance between showing every keystroke (and risk confusing the user), or just show only the keys with modifiers (my 2 options in the tool, unfortunately). I've updated the screencast (same URL) to contain a small bit about folding. Thanks for the comments, I hope we can refine this and make a plan for more as well. -Richard On Sep 23, 2010, at 11:09 PM, John Hendy wrote: Wow, Richard. That was sweet. You even have a pleasing screencaster's voice. My only thought was along the lines of what one should assume about org-mode viewers. Familiarity with emacs? No knowledge of emacs? I only got into emacs because I found org-mode, so my only thought there is that I might not even have known what meta was... I can't recall, but did you clarify meta = alt on Win/Linux and Command on Mac? Stuff like that might be helpful. Obviously these won't all be done on a Mac and some unfamiliar with it might wonder what the Command and carat symbols are on their own keyboards? As Erik said -- folding and perhaps adjusting in and out (meta + left/right). Also, it seems that only the meta or control functions show up as keystrokes. For example, I thought you said M-n s and M-n w to narrow on the tree and then widen the view but I only ever saw one part of that flash on the screen. Great, great job. Loved it and think this is exactly what Org could use. I have a co-worker who just got emacs and org-mode up on his computer and would love to have something this simple and clear-cut. Great work, again. John On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 9:54 PM, Erik Iverson er...@ccbr.umn.edu wrote: On 09/23/2010 07:45 PM, Richard Moreland wrote: I jumped the gun a bit and decided to put together a video showing the very basics. It seems overly simple when I re-watch it, but I think it is helpful for those who are unsure how to get started with the basics of Org-mode. http://ncogni.to/org-screencasts/1-basics/ Feedback is welcome, these were the least exciting topics to cover, but I wasn't sure how to really wow new users without overwhelming them. I figured that taking it step by step with short, clear episodes covering special topics would be a good start. Really nice, agree that the intro is the least exciting. But even starting with agendas in the next one, the more interesting things can be shown. Great job! So with the software you use, you can go and insert/delete/edit voice into the presentation once it's complete, or if you want to change the wording in one part, do you have to record the whole thing over again? I assume you can change it, but don't know if the Linux tool has that capability. -Richard On Sep 23, 2010, at 6:47 PM, Charles Cave wrote: Richard Morelandrlmat ncogni.to writes: I think it would be helpful to create a series of screencasts to demonstrate Org-mode. Great idea! I would he happy to record a couple of screencasts based on tutorials I have written. Currently I am preparing a tutorial on date trees and capturing notes to a journal. I am a Windows
[Orgmode] Re: Org-mode screencasts
mwe-log-commands may be particularly useful for an emacs related screencast http://www.foldr.org/~michaelw/emacs/mwe-log-commands.el ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Re: Org-mode screencasts
Richard Moreland rlm at ncogni.to writes: I think it would be helpful to create a series of screencasts to demonstrate Org-mode. Great idea! I would he happy to record a couple of screencasts based on tutorials I have written. Currently I am preparing a tutorial on date trees and capturing notes to a journal. I am a Windows user and a screencast tool I use is http://www.screenr.com - from Articulate. This allows screencasts up to 5 minutes to be recorded then hosted on their website. Charles ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Org-mode screencasts
I jumped the gun a bit and decided to put together a video showing the very basics. It seems overly simple when I re-watch it, but I think it is helpful for those who are unsure how to get started with the basics of Org-mode. http://ncogni.to/org-screencasts/1-basics/ Feedback is welcome, these were the least exciting topics to cover, but I wasn't sure how to really wow new users without overwhelming them. I figured that taking it step by step with short, clear episodes covering special topics would be a good start. -Richard On Sep 23, 2010, at 6:47 PM, Charles Cave wrote: Richard Moreland rlm at ncogni.to writes: I think it would be helpful to create a series of screencasts to demonstrate Org-mode. Great idea! I would he happy to record a couple of screencasts based on tutorials I have written. Currently I am preparing a tutorial on date trees and capturing notes to a journal. I am a Windows user and a screencast tool I use is http://www.screenr.com - from Articulate. This allows screencasts up to 5 minutes to be recorded then hosted on their website. Charles ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Org-mode screencasts
On 09/23/2010 07:45 PM, Richard Moreland wrote: I jumped the gun a bit and decided to put together a video showing the very basics. It seems overly simple when I re-watch it, but I think it is helpful for those who are unsure how to get started with the basics of Org-mode. http://ncogni.to/org-screencasts/1-basics/ Feedback is welcome, these were the least exciting topics to cover, but I wasn't sure how to really wow new users without overwhelming them. I figured that taking it step by step with short, clear episodes covering special topics would be a good start. One more thought, if it's easy to edit the screencast, throw in a bit about headline folding. Just show how easy it is to collapse and expand the different headlines. -Richard On Sep 23, 2010, at 6:47 PM, Charles Cave wrote: Richard Morelandrlmat ncogni.to writes: I think it would be helpful to create a series of screencasts to demonstrate Org-mode. Great idea! I would he happy to record a couple of screencasts based on tutorials I have written. Currently I am preparing a tutorial on date trees and capturing notes to a journal. I am a Windows user and a screencast tool I use is http://www.screenr.com - from Articulate. This allows screencasts up to 5 minutes to be recorded then hosted on their website. Charles ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Org-mode screencasts
On 09/23/2010 07:45 PM, Richard Moreland wrote: I jumped the gun a bit and decided to put together a video showing the very basics. It seems overly simple when I re-watch it, but I think it is helpful for those who are unsure how to get started with the basics of Org-mode. http://ncogni.to/org-screencasts/1-basics/ Feedback is welcome, these were the least exciting topics to cover, but I wasn't sure how to really wow new users without overwhelming them. I figured that taking it step by step with short, clear episodes covering special topics would be a good start. Really nice, agree that the intro is the least exciting. But even starting with agendas in the next one, the more interesting things can be shown. Great job! So with the software you use, you can go and insert/delete/edit voice into the presentation once it's complete, or if you want to change the wording in one part, do you have to record the whole thing over again? I assume you can change it, but don't know if the Linux tool has that capability. -Richard On Sep 23, 2010, at 6:47 PM, Charles Cave wrote: Richard Morelandrlmat ncogni.to writes: I think it would be helpful to create a series of screencasts to demonstrate Org-mode. Great idea! I would he happy to record a couple of screencasts based on tutorials I have written. Currently I am preparing a tutorial on date trees and capturing notes to a journal. I am a Windows user and a screencast tool I use is http://www.screenr.com - from Articulate. This allows screencasts up to 5 minutes to be recorded then hosted on their website. Charles ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Org-mode screencasts
Wow, Richard. That was sweet. You even have a pleasing screencaster's voice. My only thought was along the lines of what one should assume about org-mode viewers. Familiarity with emacs? No knowledge of emacs? I only got into emacs because I found org-mode, so my only thought there is that I might not even have known what meta was... I can't recall, but did you clarify meta = alt on Win/Linux and Command on Mac? Stuff like that might be helpful. Obviously these won't all be done on a Mac and some unfamiliar with it might wonder what the Command and carat symbols are on their own keyboards? As Erik said -- folding and perhaps adjusting in and out (meta + left/right). Also, it seems that only the meta or control functions show up as keystrokes. For example, I thought you said M-n s and M-n w to narrow on the tree and then widen the view but I only ever saw one part of that flash on the screen. Great, great job. Loved it and think this is exactly what Org could use. I have a co-worker who just got emacs and org-mode up on his computer and would love to have something this simple and clear-cut. Great work, again. John On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 9:54 PM, Erik Iverson er...@ccbr.umn.edu wrote: On 09/23/2010 07:45 PM, Richard Moreland wrote: I jumped the gun a bit and decided to put together a video showing the very basics. It seems overly simple when I re-watch it, but I think it is helpful for those who are unsure how to get started with the basics of Org-mode. http://ncogni.to/org-screencasts/1-basics/ Feedback is welcome, these were the least exciting topics to cover, but I wasn't sure how to really wow new users without overwhelming them. I figured that taking it step by step with short, clear episodes covering special topics would be a good start. Really nice, agree that the intro is the least exciting. But even starting with agendas in the next one, the more interesting things can be shown. Great job! So with the software you use, you can go and insert/delete/edit voice into the presentation once it's complete, or if you want to change the wording in one part, do you have to record the whole thing over again? I assume you can change it, but don't know if the Linux tool has that capability. -Richard On Sep 23, 2010, at 6:47 PM, Charles Cave wrote: Richard Morelandrlmat ncogni.to writes: I think it would be helpful to create a series of screencasts to demonstrate Org-mode. Great idea! I would he happy to record a couple of screencasts based on tutorials I have written. Currently I am preparing a tutorial on date trees and capturing notes to a journal. I am a Windows user and a screencast tool I use is http://www.screenr.com - from Articulate. This allows screencasts up to 5 minutes to be recorded then hosted on their website. Charles ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Re: Org-mode screencasts
On Thu, Sep 23 2010, Richard Moreland wrote: Hi All, I think it would be helpful to create a series of screencasts to demonstrate Org-mode. The screencasts I've made for MobileOrg[1,2] seem to have helped users get started quickly. There are so many powerful features of Org-mode that are difficult to visualize yourself using until you can see them in action. It may also help draw in new users who otherwise wouldn't quite get it. One thing that would be really excellent is to show keystrokes as you do the tutorial. I don't know what system you're using, but this link: http://screencasters.heathenx.org/blog/2009/04/06/smaller-key-status-monitor/ Sounds like it might be okay for Linux, and this one has some (seriously ugly) options for Windows: http://dan.hersam.com/2009/05/01/how-to-display-keystrokes-for-screencasts-on-windows/ Macs have KeyCastr or something like that… Just a thought! Eric Some topics that may be interesting: - Org-mode in action, demonstrating common tasks like capture, restructuring a tree, refiling, etc. - Babel - Integration with other tools (Gnus, WL, Firefox, etc) - Clocking/reporting - Export capabilities - Power user showing their streamlined configurations - ...? I'd like to collect all of the videos in one place, unify them with some similar (but simple) production, with each of the videos having a page that links to documentation, Worg, example dotfiles, comments, etc to help the user take it further on their own. I'd be happy to host the videos if bandwidth is a concern on the orgmode.org site. I've also already purchased the necessary software to record/edit the videos. But I'm looking to the community for ideas on topics as well as individuals who would be willing to record the videos or at least help me work up a script with key talking points so I could do the recording and narration. What do you think? Anyone interested in helping? Thanks, Richard [1] http://mobileorg.ncogni.to/screencasts/MobileOrg-Dropbox-OSX/ [2] http://ncogni.to/mobileorg/overview.mov ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Org-mode screencasts
Erik, thanks for the reminder about folding. I had it in my script and must've lost it in one of the edits. I do prefer making these on the Mac. It makes piecing them together much easier. Recordmydesktop on Linux will do single takes fine, but stitching it together in the end may be a chore. Maybe you guys are good enough to do it all in one take though :) John, you raise good points about what we can expect of the viewer. I'm open to suggestions, in fact maybe a 'Just enough Emacs for Org-mode' intro could help newcomers to Emacs who are here just for Org-mode (like I was a year ago). Some of these issues could also be addressed on the episode's webpage, which would link to relevant docs and info. As far as some of the missing keystrokes, I was trying to find a balance between showing every keystroke (and risk confusing the user), or just show only the keys with modifiers (my 2 options in the tool, unfortunately). I've updated the screencast (same URL) to contain a small bit about folding. Thanks for the comments, I hope we can refine this and make a plan for more as well. -Richard On Sep 23, 2010, at 11:09 PM, John Hendy wrote: Wow, Richard. That was sweet. You even have a pleasing screencaster's voice. My only thought was along the lines of what one should assume about org-mode viewers. Familiarity with emacs? No knowledge of emacs? I only got into emacs because I found org-mode, so my only thought there is that I might not even have known what meta was... I can't recall, but did you clarify meta = alt on Win/Linux and Command on Mac? Stuff like that might be helpful. Obviously these won't all be done on a Mac and some unfamiliar with it might wonder what the Command and carat symbols are on their own keyboards? As Erik said -- folding and perhaps adjusting in and out (meta + left/right). Also, it seems that only the meta or control functions show up as keystrokes. For example, I thought you said M-n s and M-n w to narrow on the tree and then widen the view but I only ever saw one part of that flash on the screen. Great, great job. Loved it and think this is exactly what Org could use. I have a co-worker who just got emacs and org-mode up on his computer and would love to have something this simple and clear-cut. Great work, again. John On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 9:54 PM, Erik Iverson er...@ccbr.umn.edu wrote: On 09/23/2010 07:45 PM, Richard Moreland wrote: I jumped the gun a bit and decided to put together a video showing the very basics. It seems overly simple when I re-watch it, but I think it is helpful for those who are unsure how to get started with the basics of Org-mode. http://ncogni.to/org-screencasts/1-basics/ Feedback is welcome, these were the least exciting topics to cover, but I wasn't sure how to really wow new users without overwhelming them. I figured that taking it step by step with short, clear episodes covering special topics would be a good start. Really nice, agree that the intro is the least exciting. But even starting with agendas in the next one, the more interesting things can be shown. Great job! So with the software you use, you can go and insert/delete/edit voice into the presentation once it's complete, or if you want to change the wording in one part, do you have to record the whole thing over again? I assume you can change it, but don't know if the Linux tool has that capability. -Richard On Sep 23, 2010, at 6:47 PM, Charles Cave wrote: Richard Morelandrlmat ncogni.to writes: I think it would be helpful to create a series of screencasts to demonstrate Org-mode. Great idea! I would he happy to record a couple of screencasts based on tutorials I have written. Currently I am preparing a tutorial on date trees and capturing notes to a journal. I am a Windows user and a screencast tool I use is http://www.screenr.com - from Articulate. This allows screencasts up to 5 minutes to be recorded then hosted on their website. Charles ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Re: Org-mode screencasts
On Thu, 23 Sep 2010 23:34:00 -0400, Richard Moreland wrote: Erik, thanks for the reminder about folding. I had it in my script and must've lost it in one of the edits. I do prefer making these on the Mac. It makes piecing them together much easier. Recordmydesktop on Linux will do single takes fine, but stitching it together in the end may be a chore. Maybe you guys are good enough to do it all in one take though :) John, you raise good points about what we can expect of the viewer. I'm open to suggestions, in fact maybe a 'Just enough Emacs for Org-mode' intro could help newcomers to Emacs who are here just for Org-mode (like I was a year ago). Some of these issues could also be addressed on the episode's webpage, which would link to relevant docs and info. As far as some of the missing keystrokes, I was trying to find a balance between showing every keystroke (and risk confusing the user), or just show only the keys with modifiers (my 2 options in the tool, unfortunately). I've updated the screencast (same URL) to contain a small bit about folding. Thanks for the comments, I hope we can refine this and make a plan for more as well. -Richard A tool I looked at a few months ago might be useful here. http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/ScreencastMode I downloaded it but haven't played with it yet. Its main purpose is to make the inner working of whats happening in emacs more obvious to the viewer. Shelagh On Sep 23, 2010, at 11:09 PM, John Hendy wrote: Wow, Richard. That was sweet. You even have a pleasing screencaster's voice. My only thought was along the lines of what one should assume about org-mode viewers. Familiarity with emacs? No knowledge of emacs? I only got into emacs because I found org-mode, so my only thought there is that I might not even have known what meta was... I can't recall, but did you clarify meta = alt on Win/Linux and Command on Mac? Stuff like that might be helpful. Obviously these won't all be done on a Mac and some unfamiliar with it might wonder what the Command and carat symbols are on their own keyboards? As Erik said -- folding and perhaps adjusting in and out (meta + left/right). Also, it seems that only the meta or control functions show up as keystrokes. For example, I thought you said M-n s and M-n w to narrow on the tree and then widen the view but I only ever saw one part of that flash on the screen. Great, great job. Loved it and think this is exactly what Org could use. I have a co-worker who just got emacs and org-mode up on his computer and would love to have something this simple and clear-cut. Great work, again. John On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 9:54 PM, Erik Iverson er...@ccbr.umn.edu wrote: On 09/23/2010 07:45 PM, Richard Moreland wrote: I jumped the gun a bit and decided to put together a video showing the very basics. It seems overly simple when I re-watch it, but I think it is helpful for those who are unsure how to get started with the basics of Org-mode. http://ncogni.to/org-screencasts/1-basics/ Feedback is welcome, these were the least exciting topics to cover, but I wasn't sure how to really wow new users without overwhelming them. I figured that taking it step by step with short, clear episodes covering special topics would be a good start. Really nice, agree that the intro is the least exciting. But even starting with agendas in the next one, the more interesting things can be shown. Great job! So with the software you use, you can go and insert/delete/edit voice into the presentation once it's complete, or if you want to change the wording in one part, do you have to record the whole thing over again? I assume you can change it, but don't know if the Linux tool has that capability. -Richard On Sep 23, 2010, at 6:47 PM, Charles Cave wrote: Richard Morelandrlmat ncogni.to writes: I think it would be helpful to create a series of screencasts to demonstrate Org-mode. Great idea! I would he happy to record a couple of screencasts based on tutorials I have written. Currently I am preparing a tutorial on date trees and capturing notes to a journal. I am a Windows user and a screencast tool I use is http://www.screenr.com - from Articulate. This allows screencasts up to 5 minutes to be recorded then hosted on their website. Charles ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Org-mode screencasts
On 09/23/2010 10:09 PM, John Hendy wrote: Wow, Richard. That was sweet. You even have a pleasing screencaster's voice. Agreed with John. Your voice is perfect for this, and you have good timing and delivery. My only thought was along the lines of what one should assume about org-mode viewers. Familiarity with emacs? No knowledge of emacs? I only got into emacs because I found org-mode, so my only thought there is that I might not even have known what meta was... I can't recall, but did you clarify meta = alt on Win/Linux and Command on Mac? Stuff like that might be helpful. Obviously these won't all be done on a Mac and some unfamiliar with it might wonder what the Command and carat symbols are on their own keyboards? As Erik said -- folding and perhaps adjusting in and out (meta + left/right). Also, it seems that only the meta or control functions show up as keystrokes. For example, I thought you said M-n s and M-n w to narrow on the tree and then widen the view but I only ever saw one part of that flash on the screen. Great, great job. Loved it and think this is exactly what Org could use. I have a co-worker who just got emacs and org-mode up on his computer and would love to have something this simple and clear-cut. Great work, again. John On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 9:54 PM, Erik Iverson er...@ccbr.umn.edu mailto:er...@ccbr.umn.edu wrote: On 09/23/2010 07:45 PM, Richard Moreland wrote: I jumped the gun a bit and decided to put together a video showing the very basics. It seems overly simple when I re-watch it, but I think it is helpful for those who are unsure how to get started with the basics of Org-mode. http://ncogni.to/org-screencasts/1-basics/ Feedback is welcome, these were the least exciting topics to cover, but I wasn't sure how to really wow new users without overwhelming them. I figured that taking it step by step with short, clear episodes covering special topics would be a good start. Really nice, agree that the intro is the least exciting. But even starting with agendas in the next one, the more interesting things can be shown. Great job! So with the software you use, you can go and insert/delete/edit voice into the presentation once it's complete, or if you want to change the wording in one part, do you have to record the whole thing over again? I assume you can change it, but don't know if the Linux tool has that capability. -Richard On Sep 23, 2010, at 6:47 PM, Charles Cave wrote: Richard Morelandrlmat ncogni.to http://ncogni.to writes: I think it would be helpful to create a series of screencasts to demonstrate Org-mode. Great idea! I would he happy to record a couple of screencasts based on tutorials I have written. Currently I am preparing a tutorial on date trees and capturing notes to a journal. I am a Windows user and a screencast tool I use is http://www.screenr.com - from Articulate. This allows screencasts up to 5 minutes to be recorded then hosted on their website. Charles ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org mailto:Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org mailto:Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org mailto:Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
