Re: [Orgmode] Re: Writing a dissertation using org-mode
Hi Carsten, I added an entry to the Export section of the FAQ. All the best, Tom On Mar 9, 2010, at 6:27 AM, Carsten Dominik wrote: Hi Thomas, I think this explanation would be good to have (a bit longer, maybe) in the FAQ. - Carsten On Mar 7, 2010, at 4:10 AM, Thomas S. Dye wrote: On Mar 6, 2010, at 1:54 PM, Eric S Fraga wrote: I have to agree with Torsten: I'd write the thesis directly in LaTeX, only because of the power of AUCTeX and RefTeX (and preview, if you have lots of plots and math). For me, org-mode's power overwhelms what auctex brings to the show. Not having to worry about any \begins etc not only keeps the text cleaner, it helps me in my continuing battle against RSI! However, I do agree that reftex is particularly useful and I do miss some aspects of it. The preview aspects will of course depend on the topic of the thesis! Aloha Eric, I have this in my emacs starter-kit and it gives me access to reftex in latex code blocks in org-babel. I've changed a few things from the code I found on the link provided, which has two methods of integrating reftex with org-mode. The link also provides suggestions for key-bindings within org-mode. Perhaps you don't have to miss reftex anymore. *** ON Org-mode RefTeX setup - Kevin Brubeck Unhammer, [[http://www.mfasold.net/blog/2009/02/using-emacs-org-mode-to-draft-papers/ ][Reftex Setup]] #+begin_src emacs-lisp :tangle yes (defun org-mode-article-modes () (reftex-mode t) (and (buffer-file-name) (file-exists-p (buffer-file-name)) (reftex-parse-all))) (add-hook 'org-mode-hook (lambda () (if (member REFTEX org-todo-keywords-1) (org-mode-article-modes #+end_src I was struggling without reftex! All the best, Tom Thomas S. Dye, Ph.D. T. S. Dye Colleagues, Archaeologists, Inc. Phone: (808) 529-0866 Fax: (808) 529-0884 http://www.tsdye.com ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode - Carsten ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Writing a dissertation using org-mode
Hi Thomas, I think this explanation would be good to have (a bit longer, maybe) in the FAQ. - Carsten On Mar 7, 2010, at 4:10 AM, Thomas S. Dye wrote: On Mar 6, 2010, at 1:54 PM, Eric S Fraga wrote: I have to agree with Torsten: I'd write the thesis directly in LaTeX, only because of the power of AUCTeX and RefTeX (and preview, if you have lots of plots and math). For me, org-mode's power overwhelms what auctex brings to the show. Not having to worry about any \begins etc not only keeps the text cleaner, it helps me in my continuing battle against RSI! However, I do agree that reftex is particularly useful and I do miss some aspects of it. The preview aspects will of course depend on the topic of the thesis! Aloha Eric, I have this in my emacs starter-kit and it gives me access to reftex in latex code blocks in org-babel. I've changed a few things from the code I found on the link provided, which has two methods of integrating reftex with org-mode. The link also provides suggestions for key-bindings within org-mode. Perhaps you don't have to miss reftex anymore. *** ON Org-mode RefTeX setup - Kevin Brubeck Unhammer, [[http://www.mfasold.net/blog/2009/02/using-emacs-org-mode-to-draft-papers/ ][Reftex Setup]] #+begin_src emacs-lisp :tangle yes (defun org-mode-article-modes () (reftex-mode t) (and (buffer-file-name) (file-exists-p (buffer-file-name)) (reftex-parse-all))) (add-hook 'org-mode-hook (lambda () (if (member REFTEX org-todo-keywords-1) (org-mode-article-modes #+end_src I was struggling without reftex! All the best, Tom Thomas S. Dye, Ph.D. T. S. Dye Colleagues, Archaeologists, Inc. Phone: (808) 529-0866 Fax: (808) 529-0884 http://www.tsdye.com ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode - Carsten ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Writing a dissertation using org-mode
On Sat, 6 Mar 2010 17:10:38 -1000, Thomas S. Dye t...@tsdye.com wrote: [...] Aloha Eric, I have this in my emacs starter-kit and it gives me access to reftex in latex code blocks in org-babel. I've changed a few things from the code I found on the link provided, which has two methods of integrating reftex with org-mode. The link also provides suggestions for key-bindings within org-mode. Perhaps you don't have to miss reftex anymore. http://www.mfasold.net/blog/2009/02/using-emacs-org-mode-to-draft-papers/ [...] I was struggling without reftex! All the best, Tom Thanks for these pointers Tom! I actually already had the key bindings suggested set up but had simply forgotten about them (one of the problems with such a powerful system is that it's impossible to keep everything in mind at all times...). However, the comments on that web site are quite useful as well! Thanks again, eric ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Writing a dissertation using org-mode
I have to agree with Torsten: I'd write the thesis directly in LaTeX, only because of the power of AUCTeX and RefTeX (and preview, if you have lots of plots and math). For me, org-mode's power overwhelms what auctex brings to the show. Not having to worry about any \begins etc not only keeps the text cleaner, it helps me in my continuing battle against RSI! However, I do agree that reftex is particularly useful and I do miss some aspects of it. The preview aspects will of course depend on the topic of the thesis! Just one remark on Sven's last point: Having the TODO item in your agenda when you're in the library only helps if you have access to your org-files ... What?? You sometimes don't have access to your org-files? I could not function in this way any more! ;-) ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Writing a dissertation using org-mode
On Mar 6, 2010, at 1:54 PM, Eric S Fraga wrote: I have to agree with Torsten: I'd write the thesis directly in LaTeX, only because of the power of AUCTeX and RefTeX (and preview, if you have lots of plots and math). For me, org-mode's power overwhelms what auctex brings to the show. Not having to worry about any \begins etc not only keeps the text cleaner, it helps me in my continuing battle against RSI! However, I do agree that reftex is particularly useful and I do miss some aspects of it. The preview aspects will of course depend on the topic of the thesis! Aloha Eric, I have this in my emacs starter-kit and it gives me access to reftex in latex code blocks in org-babel. I've changed a few things from the code I found on the link provided, which has two methods of integrating reftex with org-mode. The link also provides suggestions for key-bindings within org-mode. Perhaps you don't have to miss reftex anymore. *** ON Org-mode RefTeX setup - Kevin Brubeck Unhammer, [[http://www.mfasold.net/blog/2009/02/using-emacs-org-mode-to-draft-papers/ ][Reftex Setup]] #+begin_src emacs-lisp :tangle yes (defun org-mode-article-modes () (reftex-mode t) (and (buffer-file-name) (file-exists-p (buffer-file-name)) (reftex-parse-all))) (add-hook 'org-mode-hook (lambda () (if (member REFTEX org-todo-keywords-1) (org-mode-article-modes #+end_src I was struggling without reftex! All the best, Tom Thomas S. Dye, Ph.D. T. S. Dye Colleagues, Archaeologists, Inc. Phone: (808) 529-0866 Fax: (808) 529-0884 http://www.tsdye.com ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Re: Writing a dissertation using org-mode
On Thu, 04 Mar 2010 11:12:42 -0600 Henri-Paul Indiogine hindiog...@gmail.com wrote: Good point, I am just worried about learning too many things (Emacs, LaTeX, git, org-mode, R, ESS, ...) to take on new technologies. Writing a dissertation is quite a load already. But I will into it. Don't worry about that. All these really fine tools (exactly my set of tools btw) share a common property: You'll improve your productivity from, say, day three. Of i.e. git I know may be 1% of the features. But I was going in no time. There will be the moments of 'oh, had I known this four weeks before', but that happens whatever art you learn! So, drop bibtex and choose one of the utf-ready alternatives and you have a very capable set of tools to write your dissertation (and beyond)! (Luckily mine was done a while ago, but org-mode would have made my self-organisation so much easier! And org-babel ...) Good luck Detlef ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Re: Writing a dissertation using org-mode
On 3/5/2010 2:14 AM, Sven Bretfeld wrote: Eric S Fragaucec...@ucl.ac.uk writes: if I may (respectfully) disagree? Having examined too many PhD theses to count, I would prefer PhD candidates spent more of their time worrying about the content and organisation of their thesis than the actual layout. Unlike the preparation of camera ready copy for conferences, say, most of the defaults taken by LaTeX are usually fine once you've set up the layout to meet the university's requirements (which are usually only about page size, margins and font sizes). The great thing about using org-mode for writing is the outlining and the ability to easily move sections around. I fully agree and would add some other advantages: - Orgmode can help to plan a paper or thesis right from the first second onwards. If you plan your texts in the canonical bottom-up way, orgmode helps you through all the stages: 1. Brainstorming 2. Selecting 3. Mindmapping 4. Visualizing (org-mindmap) 5. Structuring 6. Writing - Orgmode has the fantastic (and AFAIK unique) feature that you can integrate your text project directly into your time and todo management. Most people writing with MSWord etc. use to use marginnotes or something similar to make notes like Check the pagenumber of this citation again. They are lucky if they actually remember this task when they are in a library. Writing in orgmode you can just add: * TODO Check the pagenumber of this citation again :@LIBRARY: And you automatically have that todo in your daily agenda. I have to agree with Torsten: I'd write the thesis directly in LaTeX, only because of the power of AUCTeX and RefTeX (and preview, if you have lots of plots and math). I do see the advantages of orgmode in terms of brainstorming etc. as outlined by Sven, and I'd use orgmode for 1.--5. for sure. Just one remark on Sven's last point: Having the TODO item in your agenda when you're in the library only helps if you have access to your org-files ... Just my 2 cents Markus ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Re: Writing a dissertation using org-mode
I'd recommend you use auctex for writing your thesis: it knows about many LaTeX packages (and you can teach it more), so you get autocompletion and highlighting. It does quasi-wysiwyg for fonts and math. It can render fragments for quick checking and interface with external viewers. And it has some folding support, albeit not as nice as org-mode's. Org-mode would basically give you three things: - sectioning/folding - todo lists - simple tables Org-mode is wonderful for quickly taking notes and generate LaTeX/pdf out of them. But for a book/thesis you cannot beat auctex. Best regards, Maurizio ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Writing a dissertation using org-mode
On Mar 4, 2010, at 4:02 AM, Maurizio Vitale wrote: I'd recommend you use auctex for writing your thesis: it knows about many LaTeX packages (and you can teach it more), so you get autocompletion and highlighting. It does quasi-wysiwyg for fonts and math. It can render fragments for quick checking and interface with external viewers. And it has some folding support, albeit not as nice as org-mode's. Org-mode would basically give you three things: - sectioning/folding - todo lists - simple tables Org-mode is wonderful for quickly taking notes and generate LaTeX/pdf out of them. But for a book/thesis you cannot beat auctex. Best regards, Maurizio Aloha Henri-Paul, I think this is good advice for a thesis writer. auctex, with the reftex plug-in, is a huge help. The model I'm working with now for writing a book (still evolving as I learn org-mode and org-babel and try different things) has 3 parts: 1) The main body of the book, held in several tex files, typically one file per chapter. A master tex file contains the memoir header, the includes, and the glossary, bibliography, and index paraphernalia. I do almost all my writing in these files. 2) An org-mode file with a level one heading for each chapter, underneath which is a place for notes, todo items, random thoughts, and outline fragments. Immediately beneath the level one heading is a link to the chapter tex file. I use the org-mode file to keep track of what I've finished and what still needs work. This is a tremendous help when I have to put the work down for a while and then pick it up again. I'm back up to speed in short order. 3) Several org-babel LaTeX code blocks and noweb references to the output from statistical analyses mostly in R and carried out in org- babel. These are mostly descriptive sections and the benefit of writing them this way is that they track changes in the database as I augment observations or spot data entry errors while writing. These are exported to tex files that are referenced in the master tex file. 4) Compiling my book is a three-step process (ignoring for the moment the bibliography, glossary, and index). First, re-run the statistical analyses in org-babel. Second, run org-babel-tangle on the org-mode file to refresh the output of the org-babel LaTeX code blocks. Lastly compile to pdf with auctex. I'll be interested to learn how you end up writing your thesis with LaTeX and org-mode. HTH, Tom ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Writing a dissertation using org-mode
Thomas S. Dye t...@tsdye.com writes: The model I'm working with now for writing a book (still evolving as I learn org-mode and org-babel and try different things) has 3 parts: I am very impressed by your setup and it closely matches my requirements. I will most likely implement it once my proposal has been accepted. I am in your debt :-)I am very glad to be able to use org-mode and be part of its wonderful user and developer community. -- Henri-Paul Indiogine Email: hindiog...@gmail.com Skype: hindiogine Website: http://www.coe.tamu.edu/~enrico ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
