Re: [Orgmode] Re: log on state change
On Sep 16, 2007, at 23:53, Bastien wrote: Cezar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Forgot to load the 5.09 version, I was still using the old one, sorry ! It's working great. And I like this feature very much! I stopped using the lognotestate option because it populated my buffer with too many notes, certainly because I had too many states to go through. Another (maybe undocumented) new feature is that if you exit the note buffer with C-u C-c C-c, the note will be canceled and not even a time stamp recorded. - Carsten -- Carsten Dominik Sterrenkundig Instituut Anton Pannekoek Universiteit van Amsterdam Kruislaan 403 NL-1098SJ Amsterdam phone: +31 20 525 7477 ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: log on state change
On Sep 16, 2007, at 23:53, Bastien wrote: Cezar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Forgot to load the 5.09 version, I was still using the old one, sorry ! It's working great. And I like this feature very much! I stopped using the lognotestate option because it populated my buffer with too many notes, certainly because I had too many states to go through. Another (maybe undocumented) new feature is that if you exit the note buffer with C-u C-c C-c, the note will be canceled and not even a time stamp recorded. Pretty useful if one does not want to customize his states. Great job. Xavier -- http://www.gnu.org http://www.april.org http://www.lolica.org ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: log on state change
Hi, The only restriction is that you no longer can use @ as a selection character for fast TODO selection. This seems perfectly acceptable to me. Just a question though: what will happen if a user type '@' in the fast todo selection ? Will it bug at us ? Xavier -- http://www.gnu.org http://www.april.org http://www.lolica.org ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Re: log on state change
Carsten Dominik [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This will be possible in the next version with #+SEQ_TODO: TODO WAITING(@) | DONE #+STARTUP: lognotestate Which version would that be ?I am using 5.09 and it's not yet working. Best regards, Cezar ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: log on state change
Cezar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: #+SEQ_TODO: TODO WAITING(@) | DONE #+STARTUP: lognotestate Which version would that be ?I am using 5.09 and it's not yet working. Working here with Org 5.09. Maybe you forgot to compile and load the latest org.el file? Or maybe you forgot to update the buffer with C-cC-c? -- Bastien ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Re: log on state change
Bastien [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Cezar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: #+SEQ_TODO: TODO WAITING(@) | DONE #+STARTUP: lognotestate Which version would that be ?I am using 5.09 and it's not yet working. Working here with Org 5.09. Maybe you forgot to compile and load the latest org.el file? Or maybe you forgot to update the buffer with C-cC-c? Forgot to load the 5.09 version, I was still using the old one, sorry ! It's working great. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: log on state change
Cezar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Forgot to load the 5.09 version, I was still using the old one, sorry ! It's working great. And I like this feature very much! I stopped using the lognotestate option because it populated my buffer with too many notes, certainly because I had too many states to go through. But now I restricted the logging like this: #+STARTUP: lognotestate #+SEQ_TODO: TODO(t) NEXT(n) INPROGRESS(i) SOMEDAY(s) \ WAITING(w@) | DONE(d) CANCELED(c@) WAITING and CANCELED are the only two states where I need to keep a note. Great stuff. -- Bastien ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: log on state change
Carsten Dominik [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sep 14, 2007, at 19:56, Bernt Hansen wrote: Carsten Dominik [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sep 1, 2007, at 9:46, Cezar wrote: I would like to record some comments JUST on certain states, for example I want to mark a task as WAITING and give it a reason, or the thing I am waiting for. This will be possible in the next version with #+SEQ_TODO: TODO WAITING(@) | DONE #+STARTUP: lognotestate Won't that conflict with org-use-fast-todo-selection for changing state? #+SEQ_TODO: TODO(t) STARTED(s) WAITING(w) APPT(a) INVOICE(i) | DONE(d) DEFERRED(p) CANCELLED(c) Is there a way to specify both? Yes. #+SEQ_TODO: TODO(t) STARTED(s) WAITING(w@) APPT(a) INVOICE(i@) | DONE(d) DEFERRED(p@) CANCELLED(c@) The only restriction is that you no longer can use @ as a selection character for fast TODO selection. Great! Thanks! :) -Bernt ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: log on state change
On Sep 14, 2007, at 19:56, Bernt Hansen wrote: Carsten Dominik [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sep 1, 2007, at 9:46, Cezar wrote: I would like to record some comments JUST on certain states, for example I want to mark a task as WAITING and give it a reason, or the thing I am waiting for. This will be possible in the next version with #+SEQ_TODO: TODO WAITING(@) | DONE #+STARTUP: lognotestate Won't that conflict with org-use-fast-todo-selection for changing state? #+SEQ_TODO: TODO(t) STARTED(s) WAITING(w) APPT(a) INVOICE(i) | DONE(d) DEFERRED(p) CANCELLED(c) Is there a way to specify both? Yes. #+SEQ_TODO: TODO(t) STARTED(s) WAITING(w@) APPT(a) INVOICE(i@) | DONE(d) DEFERRED(p@) CANCELLED(c@) The only restriction is that you no longer can use @ as a selection character for fast TODO selection. - Carsten ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Re: log on state change
On 2007-09-05 04:28 +0100, Carsten Dominik wrote: make an user option to swap C-c C-t and C-u C-c C-t i.e. C-c C-t cycle through todo states automatically shortcut for todos: - if it is specified by user then use it - otherwise, use the first letter of the name of the todos - if the first letter has been taken, use the subsequent letter - continue until a unique letter is found That mechanism already exists for tags, easy to re-use it. I have yet to see such a feature in org. I don't want to manually define shortcuts for each keywords, instead I want org to do that automatically for me. Is there a hidden option to enable that feature? -- Leo sdl.web AT gmail.com(GPG Key: 9283AA3F) Gnus is one component of the Emacs operating system. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: log on state change
You need to define at least one shortcut, Org-mode will assign the rest. Granted, the algorithm could be a lot better, but it does it. - Carsten On Sep 5, 2007, at 12:06, Leo wrote: On 2007-09-05 04:28 +0100, Carsten Dominik wrote: make an user option to swap C-c C-t and C-u C-c C-t i.e. C-c C-t cycle through todo states automatically shortcut for todos: - if it is specified by user then use it - otherwise, use the first letter of the name of the todos - if the first letter has been taken, use the subsequent letter - continue until a unique letter is found That mechanism already exists for tags, easy to re-use it. I have yet to see such a feature in org. I don't want to manually define shortcuts for each keywords, instead I want org to do that automatically for me. Is there a hidden option to enable that feature? -- Leo sdl.web AT gmail.com(GPG Key: 9283AA3F) Gnus is one component of the Emacs operating system. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode -- Carsten Dominik Sterrenkundig Instituut Anton Pannekoek Universiteit van Amsterdam Kruislaan 403 NL-1098SJ Amsterdam phone: +31 20 525 7477 ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Re: log on state change
On 2007-09-05 04:32 +0100, Carsten Dominik wrote: Here is another suggestion: why not restrict the fast selection to TODO keywords when the point is at TODO keywords, and to tags when the point is on tags? Definitely a NO. Who would want to move the cursor before setting tags??? I also feel the same way as Carsten. -- Leo sdl.web AT gmail.com(GPG Key: 9283AA3F) Gnus is one component of the Emacs operating system. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Re: log on state change
On 2007-09-05 04:28 +0100, Carsten Dominik wrote: 'C-n' and 'C-p' can move to the next/previous todo state The arrow indicates the current state. I don't think it is even necessary, to mark the current state. This is important for tags because of inheritance, and because you can change several tags with a single call to C-c C-c. For for a single TODO state change? I can live with this. Only shortcut in the row indicated by the 'arrow' is in effect thus allows (D)one to (D)elegated to co-exist. Well, I think allowing the same letter to mean different things will be confusing and will make this special interface less effective. Fine for now. Some of the points might be also helpful for tags. I can't really see which ones, the TAG interface does all this. I was not aware of some features of tags. Thanks for implementing this in org! -- Leo sdl.web AT gmail.com(GPG Key: 9283AA3F) Gnus is one component of the Emacs operating system. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: log on state change
Yes (setg org-use-fast-tag-selection t) - Carsten On Sep 5, 2007, at 17:23, Leo wrote: On 2007-09-05 11:23 +0100, Carsten Dominik wrote: You need to define at least one shortcut, Org-mode will assign the rest. Granted, the algorithm could be a lot better, but it does it. - Carsten Can we remove the 'at least one shortcut' limitation? -- Leo sdl.web AT gmail.com(GPG Key: 9283AA3F) Gnus is one component of the Emacs operating system. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode -- Carsten Dominik Sterrenkundig Instituut Anton Pannekoek Universiteit van Amsterdam Kruislaan 403 NL-1098SJ Amsterdam phone: +31 20 525 7477 ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Re: log on state change
On 2007-09-05 16:43 +0100, Carsten Dominik wrote: Yes (setg org-use-fast-tag-selection t) - Carsten But this is only tags. Is there a similar one to todo? I haven't found it though. -- Leo sdl.web AT gmail.com(GPG Key: 9283AA3F) Gnus is one component of the Emacs operating system. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: log on state change
On Sep 5, 2007, at 22:13, Leo wrote: On 2007-09-05 16:43 +0100, Carsten Dominik wrote: Yes (setg org-use-fast-tag-selection t) - Carsten But this is only tags. Yes, I was talking about tags all the time. Is there a similar one to todo? I haven't found it though. There is org-use-fast-todo-selection, but setting it to t does not yet really force letters for all keywords, you still need to have configured at least one key. This is a-symmetric and will be fixed. One reason why automatic key assignment currently sucks is because the algorithm is relatively stupid. Needs to be improved. - Carsten ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: log on state change
Leo [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Using tags to setup todo looks unclean to me. However it is very nice to be able to set up todo using an interface similar to tags. And since the argument to org-todo has become completely useless because of this feature. I propose the following: C-c C-t (`org-todo') brings up an interface similar to the one for org-set-tags but only for todos (C-c C-c only for tags) I wish we could stick to the yes-very-busy C-c C-c key for setting both TODOs and tags. Here is another suggestion: why not restrict the fast selection to TODO keywords when the point is at TODO keywords, and to tags when the point is on tags? This would make C-c C-c even more context-aware, but I guess this is what most users expect from it. And since the current behavior is okay, I guess this new contextual behavior should be set through an option, defaulting to nil. Another argument to let C-c C-t continue its job is that it is able to distinguish between sequence TODOs and type TODOs. This is extremely useful -- especially when C-c C-t is bound to `org-agenda-todo' and you don't remember whether the expected TODO keywords for a headline are part of a sequence or are types. Regards, -- Bastien ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: log on state change
On Sep 3, 2007, at 21:56, Leo wrote: On 2007-09-03 19:32 +0100, Carsten Dominik wrote: Yes, since 5.07, you can mis-use the TAGS interface to directly switch to TODO states. Check the release notes. Is this temporary until a better solution is found? Not at all, I really cannot think of a better solution. The only thing preliminary about this would be the setup using Emacs Lisp. I guess the in-buffer setup like #+SEQ_TODO: TODO(t) is nice and similar to TAGS, so that will stay. Using tags to setup todo looks unclean to me. However it is very nice to be able to set up todo using an interface similar to tags. Yes, it is not very clean, agreed. Even if you *could* view TODO keywords as special, privileged tag. And since the argument to org-todo has become completely useless because of this feature. I propose the following: C-c C-t (`org-todo') brings up an interface similar to the one for org-set-tags but only for todos (C-c C-c only for tags) Hm, yes, this might indeed be cleaner. C-u C-c C-t cycle through todo states i.e. the old behavior. And don't forget that we also have S-right doing cycling. make an user option to swap C-c C-t and C-u C-c C-t i.e. C-c C-t cycle through todo states automatically shortcut for todos: - if it is specified by user then use it - otherwise, use the first letter of the name of the todos - if the first letter has been taken, use the subsequent letter - continue until a unique letter is found That mechanism already exists for tags, easy to re-use it. For example, When `C-c C-t', a buffer shows up: -*- buffer -*- = (T)odo (W)aiting (D)elegated (C)ancelled (M)aybe (D)one -*- buffer -*- 'C-n' and 'C-p' can move to the next/previous todo state The arrow indicates the current state. I don't think it is even necessary, to mark the current state. This is important for tags because of inheritance, and because you can change several tags with a single call to C-c C-c. For for a single TODO state change? Only shortcut in the row indicated by the 'arrow' is in effect thus allows (D)one to (D)elegated to co-exist. Well, I think allowing the same letter to mean different things will be confusing and will make this special interface less effective. Some of the points might be also helpful for tags. I can't really see which ones, the TAG interface does all this. - Carsten -- Carsten Dominik Sterrenkundig Instituut Anton Pannekoek Universiteit van Amsterdam Kruislaan 403 NL-1098SJ Amsterdam phone: +31 20 525 7477 ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: log on state change
On Sep 4, 2007, at 18:43, Bastien wrote: Leo [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Using tags to setup todo looks unclean to me. However it is very nice to be able to set up todo using an interface similar to tags. And since the argument to org-todo has become completely useless because of this feature. I propose the following: C-c C-t (`org-todo') brings up an interface similar to the one for org-set-tags but only for todos (C-c C-c only for tags) I wish we could stick to the yes-very-busy C-c C-c key for setting both TODOs and tags. I am no longer sure this is a good idea, if at all this will be optional. Here is another suggestion: why not restrict the fast selection to TODO keywords when the point is at TODO keywords, and to tags when the point is on tags? Definitely a NO. Who would want to move the cursor before setting tags??? Another argument to let C-c C-t continue its job is that it is able to distinguish between sequence TODOs and type TODOs. This is extremely useful -- especially when C-c C-t is bound to `org-agenda-todo' and you don't remember whether the expected TODO keywords for a headline are part of a sequence or are types. Interesting to know that you are using this distinction. I was wondering if anybody did. - Carsten ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Re: log on state change
On 2007-09-03 17:25 +0100, Carsten Dominik wrote: I would like to record some comments JUST on certain states, for example I want to mark a task as WAITING and give it a reason, or the thing I am waiting for. This is currently not possible. Are there more people who would find this a very useful feature? I usually add a time stamp and write the reason in the text under the heading. So I don't think this is useful. -- Leo sdl.web AT gmail.com(GPG Key: 9283AA3F) Gnus is one component of the Emacs operating system. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Re: log on state change
On 2007-09-03 17:25 +0100, Carsten Dominik wrote: Also is it possible to get to a state without cycling, and have the loggining feature mentioned above ? Yes, since 5.07, you can mis-use the TAGS interface to directly switch to TODO states. Check the release notes. Is this temporary until a better solution is found? -- Leo sdl.web AT gmail.com(GPG Key: 9283AA3F) Gnus is one component of the Emacs operating system. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: log on state change
On Sep 3, 2007, at 19:35, Leo wrote: On 2007-09-03 17:25 +0100, Carsten Dominik wrote: Also is it possible to get to a state without cycling, and have the loggining feature mentioned above ? Yes, since 5.07, you can mis-use the TAGS interface to directly switch to TODO states. Check the release notes. Is this temporary until a better solution is found? Not at all, I really cannot think of a better solution. The only thing preliminary about this would be the setup using Emacs Lisp. I guess the in-buffer setup like #+SEQ_TODO: TODO(t) is nice and similar to TAGS, so that will stay. - Carsten ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: log on state change
On 2007-09-03 17:25 +0100, Carsten Dominik wrote: I would like to record some comments JUST on certain states, for example I want to mark a task as WAITING and give it a reason, or the thing I am waiting for. This is currently not possible. Are there more people who would find this a very useful feature? I usually add a time stamp and write the reason in the text under the heading. So I don't think this is useful. I also act like this 80% of the time. *But* (yes there is a *but*), I sometimes do not need to enter anything but just change the state. So for this reason, I think this could be usefull not to be asked (This is why I proposed to add a universal prefix to cycling state for this). Regards, Xavier -- http://www.gnu.org http://www.april.org http://www.lolica.org ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
