Re: [Orgmode] Umlauts in LaTeX export
Nick Dokos nicholas.do...@hp.com writes:
[...]
There are a couple of assumptions here (and in Eric F.'s mail about the
TeX input method as well). One is that the buffer is encoded in UTF-8:
if you use e.g iso-8859-1, you can use whatever input method you want,
but you'll end up with a byte in your file that LaTeX won't like.
Umm, just to clarify something: the file can well be in iso-8859-1
encoding. It need not be in UTF-8 if all you want are typical west
European characters (umlauts etc.). For instance, the following file
contents work just fine (I've forced iso-8859-1 encoding although I use
UTF-8 more often than not):
--8---cut here---start-8---
# -*- coding: iso-8859-1; -*-
* Introduction
This text includes a number of characters from España because we want
to say /cigüeña/ instead of /swan/.
--8---cut here---end---8---
This exports just fine to latex and org automatically includes the line:
: \usepackage[latin1]{inputenc}
I've attached the org file in case anybody wants to play with this very
small example.
# -*- coding: iso-8859-1; -*-
* Introduction
This text includes a number of characters from España because we want
to say /cigüeña/ instead of /swan/.
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Re: [Orgmode] Umlauts in LaTeX export
Eric S Fraga ucec...@ucl.ac.uk wrote:
Nick Dokos nicholas.do...@hp.com writes:
[...]
There are a couple of assumptions here (and in Eric F.'s mail about the
TeX input method as well). One is that the buffer is encoded in UTF-8:
if you use e.g iso-8859-1, you can use whatever input method you want,
but you'll end up with a byte in your file that LaTeX won't like.
Umm, just to clarify something: the file can well be in iso-8859-1
encoding. It need not be in UTF-8 if all you want are typical west
European characters (umlauts etc.). For instance, the following file
contents work just fine (I've forced iso-8859-1 encoding although I use
UTF-8 more often than not):
# -*- coding: iso-8859-1; -*-
* Introduction
This text includes a number of characters from España because we want
to say /cigüeña/ instead of /swan/.
This exports just fine to latex and org automatically includes the line:
: \usepackage[latin1]{inputenc}
I've attached the org file in case anybody wants to play with this very
small example.
Ah, thanks: I forgot how smart org is.
Nick
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[Orgmode] Umlauts in LaTeX export
Hi all,
I don't think this is a bug so much as an unfortunate consequence of
expected behavior, but I wanted to document it here for the sake of
future mailing list searches, because I didn't find anything about it
myself. (If someone has a better solution than the one I propose,
please clue me in!)
To add an umlaut/trema/diaeresis to a letter in LaTeX, I use the \
command, as in:
G\{o}del
Unfortunately, due to the fact that Org export treats both `{}' and `'
specially, this will be exported to LaTeX as:
G\''\{o\}del
It isn't sufficient to surround the \{o} with math mode delimiters, e.g.,
G\(\{o}\)del
even though this will prevent Org from escaping the brackets and
converting the double-quote, because the command doesn't seem to produce
output in math mode. (The compiled file will read Gdel.)
So, the work-around I've come up with is to use an \mbox inside math
mode, which prevents Org from doing the escapes/conversions:
G\(\mbox{\{o}}\)del
A bit ugly, but it produces the correct output.
Hope that helps someone! And again, if there's a better way, please let
me know!
Best,
Richard
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Re: [Orgmode] Umlauts in LaTeX export
Thanks Richard,
I had the same issue! I can definitely use your solution!
S.
On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Richard Lawrence
richard.lawre...@berkeley.edu wrote:
Hi all,
I don't think this is a bug so much as an unfortunate consequence of
expected behavior, but I wanted to document it here for the sake of
future mailing list searches, because I didn't find anything about it
myself. (If someone has a better solution than the one I propose,
please clue me in!)
To add an umlaut/trema/diaeresis to a letter in LaTeX, I use the \
command, as in:
G\{o}del
Unfortunately, due to the fact that Org export treats both `{}' and `'
specially, this will be exported to LaTeX as:
G\''\{o\}del
It isn't sufficient to surround the \{o} with math mode delimiters, e.g.,
G\(\{o}\)del
even though this will prevent Org from escaping the brackets and
converting the double-quote, because the command doesn't seem to produce
output in math mode. (The compiled file will read Gdel.)
So, the work-around I've come up with is to use an \mbox inside math
mode, which prevents Org from doing the escapes/conversions:
G\(\mbox{\{o}}\)del
A bit ugly, but it produces the correct output.
Hope that helps someone! And again, if there's a better way, please let
me know!
Best,
Richard
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Re: [Orgmode] Umlauts in LaTeX export
Dear Richard,
sitting in front of a German keyboard, writing
Gödel
seems to be the obvious solution for modern LaTeX and Emacs versions - you
could define some shortcut to insert the appropriate Unicode character into
your text (as your keyboard probably does not feature a ö key), or copy/paste
the Umlauts from another Emacs file as necessary. If you do not need it very
often, this might be a reasonable alternative.
Warm regards,
Stefan
On 03.11.2010, at 16:50, Richard Lawrence wrote:
Hi all,
I don't think this is a bug so much as an unfortunate consequence of
expected behavior, but I wanted to document it here for the sake of
future mailing list searches, because I didn't find anything about it
myself. (If someone has a better solution than the one I propose,
please clue me in!)
To add an umlaut/trema/diaeresis to a letter in LaTeX, I use the \
command, as in:
G\{o}del
Unfortunately, due to the fact that Org export treats both `{}' and `'
specially, this will be exported to LaTeX as:
G\''\{o\}del
It isn't sufficient to surround the \{o} with math mode delimiters, e.g.,
G\(\{o}\)del
even though this will prevent Org from escaping the brackets and
converting the double-quote, because the command doesn't seem to produce
output in math mode. (The compiled file will read Gdel.)
So, the work-around I've come up with is to use an \mbox inside math
mode, which prevents Org from doing the escapes/conversions:
G\(\mbox{\{o}}\)del
A bit ugly, but it produces the correct output.
Hope that helps someone! And again, if there's a better way, please let
me know!
Best,
Richard
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Re: [Orgmode] Umlauts in LaTeX export
Dear Richard, Stefan Vollmar voll...@nf.mpg.de writes: Dear Richard, sitting in front of a German keyboard, writing Gödel seems to be the obvious solution for modern LaTeX and Emacs versions - you could define some shortcut to insert the appropriate Unicode character into your text (as your keyboard probably does not feature a ö key), or copy/paste the Umlauts from another Emacs file as necessary. If you do not need it very often, this might be a reasonable alternative. Although I am german, I use an american keyboard layout for coding and everything else. But there is a nice emacs solution to enter umlauts: =C-x RET C-\ german-postfix RET= This enables an input method which allows you to enter all german umlauts: ä ü ö Ä Ü Ö and ß. Entering an `a' followed immediately by an `e' generates an ä, followed by another `e' it becomes `ae`, similar for ü and ö . `s` followed by `z` generates an `ß`. Larger variants are typed by typing two large letters. Regards, Jean-Marie ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Umlauts in LaTeX export
Dear Jean-Marie, this is very useful - thanks for sharing! Warm regards, Stefan On 03.11.2010, at 18:51, Jean-Marie Gaillourdet wrote: Dear Richard, Stefan Vollmar voll...@nf.mpg.de writes: Dear Richard, sitting in front of a German keyboard, writing Gödel seems to be the obvious solution for modern LaTeX and Emacs versions - you could define some shortcut to insert the appropriate Unicode character into your text (as your keyboard probably does not feature a ö key), or copy/paste the Umlauts from another Emacs file as necessary. If you do not need it very often, this might be a reasonable alternative. Although I am german, I use an american keyboard layout for coding and everything else. But there is a nice emacs solution to enter umlauts: =C-x RET C-\ german-postfix RET= This enables an input method which allows you to enter all german umlauts: ä ü ö Ä Ü Ö and ß. Entering an `a' followed immediately by an `e' generates an ä, followed by another `e' it becomes `ae`, similar for ü and ö . `s` followed by `z` generates an `ß`. Larger variants are typed by typing two large letters. Regards, Jean-Marie -- Dr. Stefan Vollmar, Dipl.-Phys. Head of IT group Max-Planck-Institut für neurologische Forschung Gleuelerstr. 50, 50931 Köln, Germany Tel.: +49-221-4726-213 FAX +49-221-4726-298 Tel.: +49-221-478-5713 Mobile: 0160-93874279 Email: voll...@nf.mpg.de http://www.nf.mpg.de smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Umlauts in LaTeX export
Jean-Marie Gaillourdet j...@gaillourdet.net writes: Dear Richard, Stefan Vollmar voll...@nf.mpg.de writes: Dear Richard, sitting in front of a German keyboard, writing Gödel seems to be the obvious solution for modern LaTeX and Emacs versions - you could define some shortcut to insert the appropriate Unicode character into your text (as your keyboard probably does not feature a ö key), or copy/paste the Umlauts from another Emacs file as necessary. If you do not need it very often, this might be a reasonable alternative. Although I am german, I use an american keyboard layout for coding and everything else. But there is a nice emacs solution to enter umlauts: =C-x RET C-\ german-postfix RET= This enables an input method which allows you to enter all german umlauts: ä ü ö Ä Ü Ö and ß. Entering an `a' followed immediately by an `e' generates an ä, followed by another `e' it becomes `ae`, similar for ü and ö . `s` followed by `z` generates an `ß`. Larger variants are typed by typing two large letters. Regards, Jean-Marie Even better, for the OP, is to switch to the tex input method (M-x set-input-method RET tex RET)! In this case, you can type \o to get ö. Almost all TeX and LaTeX sequences are understood (e.g. \forall to get ∀, \exists for ∃, \alpha for α, \leftrightharpoons for ⇋, and so on.) You can see all the characters with =describe-input-method=. -- : Eric S Fraga (GnuPG: 0xC89193D8FFFCF67D) in Emacs 23.2.1 : using Org-mode version 7.02trans (release_7.3.10.g7f79.dirty) ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Umlauts in LaTeX export
Very, very neat - thank you! Warm regards, Stefan On 03.11.2010, at 21:08, Eric S Fraga wrote: Jean-Marie Gaillourdet j...@gaillourdet.net writes: Dear Richard, Stefan Vollmar voll...@nf.mpg.de writes: Dear Richard, sitting in front of a German keyboard, writing Gödel seems to be the obvious solution for modern LaTeX and Emacs versions - you could define some shortcut to insert the appropriate Unicode character into your text (as your keyboard probably does not feature a ö key), or copy/paste the Umlauts from another Emacs file as necessary. If you do not need it very often, this might be a reasonable alternative. Although I am german, I use an american keyboard layout for coding and everything else. But there is a nice emacs solution to enter umlauts: =C-x RET C-\ german-postfix RET= This enables an input method which allows you to enter all german umlauts: ä ü ö Ä Ü Ö and ß. Entering an `a' followed immediately by an `e' generates an ä, followed by another `e' it becomes `ae`, similar for ü and ö . `s` followed by `z` generates an `ß`. Larger variants are typed by typing two large letters. Regards, Jean-Marie Even better, for the OP, is to switch to the tex input method (M-x set-input-method RET tex RET)! In this case, you can type \o to get ö. Almost all TeX and LaTeX sequences are understood (e.g. \forall to get ∀, \exists for ∃, \alpha for α, \leftrightharpoons for ⇋, and so on.) You can see all the characters with =describe-input-method=. -- : Eric S Fraga (GnuPG: 0xC89193D8FFFCF67D) in Emacs 23.2.1 : using Org-mode version 7.02trans (release_7.3.10.g7f79.dirty) -- Dr. Stefan Vollmar, Dipl.-Phys. Head of IT group Max-Planck-Institut für neurologische Forschung Gleuelerstr. 50, 50931 Köln, Germany Tel.: +49-221-4726-213 FAX +49-221-4726-298 Tel.: +49-221-478-5713 Mobile: 0160-93874279 Email: voll...@nf.mpg.de http://www.nf.mpg.de smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Umlauts in LaTeX export
Jean-Marie Gaillourdet j...@gaillourdet.net wrote:
Dear Richard,
Stefan Vollmar voll...@nf.mpg.de writes:
Dear Richard,
sitting in front of a German keyboard, writing
Gödel
seems to be the obvious solution for modern LaTeX and Emacs
versions - you could define some shortcut to insert the appropriate
Unicode character into your text (as your keyboard probably does not
feature a ö key), or copy/paste the Umlauts from another Emacs
file as necessary. If you do not need it very often, this might be a
reasonable alternative.
Although I am german, I use an american keyboard layout for coding and
everything else. But there is a nice emacs solution to enter umlauts:
=C-x RET C-\ german-postfix RET= This enables an input method which
allows you to enter all german umlauts: ä ü ö Ä Ü Ö and ß.
Entering an `a' followed immediately by an `e' generates an ä, followed
by another `e' it becomes `ae`, similar for ü and ö . `s` followed by
`z` generates an `ß`. Larger variants are typed by typing two large
letters.
There are a couple of assumptions here (and in Eric F.'s mail about the
TeX input method as well). One is that the buffer is encoded in UTF-8:
if you use e.g iso-8859-1, you can use whatever input method you want,
but you'll end up with a byte in your file that LaTeX won't like.
The second assumption (which is satisfied by default when an org file is
exported to LaTeX) is that \usepackage[utf8]{inputenc} is used in the
LaTeX file.[fn:1]
Assuming that both of these assumptions are satisfied, this is indeed
the best way to deal with umlauts, accented characters, cedillas and
the like: the buffer *looks* like the LaTeX output. But remember that
there is an encoding there nevertheless.
Nevertheless that does not absolve org from dealing with \ properly. In
fact, it deals with it correctly in a heading but not in the text:
--8---cut here---start-8---
* G\odel
G\odel
--8---cut here---end---8---
gives:
--8---cut here---start-8---
...
\section{G\odel}
\label{sec-1}
G\''odel
--8---cut here---end---8---
However, surrounding the o with braces breaks things in both places.
I think part of the problem is that headings and text go through
different processing: e.g. text goes through org-export-latex-content,
whereas headings don't. So fixing a problem like this in one place is
not enough.
Nick
Footnotes:
[fn:1] This may or may not be correct if you use omega or xetex or
one of the more recent TeX variants, but I don't know much about them.
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