Re: [O] Bibliographic references
Alan L Tyree alanty...@gmail.com wrote:
I feel like this should be googleable, but I'm not having much luck.
As Eric mentioned in a recent post, one of the nice things about
writing in org is that there is no need to worry about output format.
He did say mostly I think...
Except in one thing: How do I deal with bibliographic citations so that
the output is sensible in the different formats? How do I get \cite
{key} to export properly in XHTML and odt as well as in LaTeX?
... and I believe this is one area that is not covered by the mostly
umbrella :)
Sorry if this is obvious to everybody else -- I'm stymied.
I don't know of an answer either. I'd like to find out that I'm wrong.
Nick
Re: [O] Bibliographic references
Alan L Tyree alanty...@gmail.com writes:
I feel like this should be googleable, but I'm not having much luck.
As Eric mentioned in a recent post, one of the nice things about
writing in org is that there is no need to worry about output format.
Except in one thing: How do I deal with bibliographic citations so that
the output is sensible in the different formats? How do I get \cite
{key} to export properly in XHTML and odt as well as in LaTeX?
Sorry if this is obvious to everybody else -- I'm stymied.
Cheers,
Alan
Aloha Alan,
IIUC, your immediate question has to do with making an in-text citation
look right in different output formats. This can be accomplished with
the extended link syntax. A basic setup that only includes LaTeX export
can be found here:
http://orgmode.org/worg/org-tutorials/org-latex-export.html#sec-17-2
For the other export formats you'll need to add (eq format 'html) ...,
etc.
Of course, this just handles the in-text part for formats other than
LaTeX. LaTeX uses bibtex or biblatex to compile the list of
references. I don't know how to accomplish this in ODT. For html, I
export from Org-mode to LaTeX, then use tex4ht to convert to html. This
leverages the bibtex capabilities and yields nicely formatted
bibliographies in html.
hth,
Tom
--
Thomas S. Dye
http://www.tsdye.com
Re: [O] Bibliographic references
Thomas S. Dye t...@tsdye.com wrote: Of course, this just handles the in-text part for formats other than LaTeX. LaTeX uses bibtex or biblatex to compile the list of references. I don't know how to accomplish this in ODT. For html, I export from Org-mode to LaTeX, then use tex4ht to convert to html. This leverages the bibtex capabilities and yields nicely formatted bibliographies in html. If libreoffice can import HTML, maybe the tex4ht way can work for ODT as well? Nick
Re: [O] Bibliographic references
On 17/12/11 10:08:25, Nick Dokos wrote: Thomas S. Dye t...@tsdye.com wrote: Of course, this just handles the in-text part for formats other than LaTeX. LaTeX uses bibtex or biblatex to compile the list of references. I don't know how to accomplish this in ODT. For html, I export from Org-mode to LaTeX, then use tex4ht to convert to html. This leverages the bibtex capabilities and yields nicely formatted bibliographies in html. If libreoffice can import HTML, maybe the tex4ht way can work for ODT as well? I suppose going through tex4ht is one way, but, to say the least, it doesn't seem very elegant. LyX manages to produce XHTML directly without going through the tex procedure (though the Export - LyXHTML procedure) . I'm not sure how, but it even allows different citation styles to be ouput. This seems like an important problem if Org is going to be the mechanism for publishing both eBooks and printed books. The LyX people are working hard on getting a direct eBook exporter, but it would be so much nicer to be able to write directly in Org mode. I regret that I don't have the programming skills to work on the problem. It's always easy to sit back as a user and say Gee, this needs to be done. Cheers, Alan Nick -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
Re: [O] Bibliographic references
Nick Dokos nicholas.do...@hp.com writes: Thomas S. Dye t...@tsdye.com wrote: Of course, this just handles the in-text part for formats other than LaTeX. LaTeX uses bibtex or biblatex to compile the list of references. I don't know how to accomplish this in ODT. For html, I export from Org-mode to LaTeX, then use tex4ht to convert to html. This leverages the bibtex capabilities and yields nicely formatted bibliographies in html. If libreoffice can import HTML, maybe the tex4ht way can work for ODT as well? Nick Hi Nick, Good catch. In principle, yes, though I've never worked with libreoffice. We follow a similar path to produce Word versions of our documents when clients require them: Org - LaTeX - tex4ht - html - Word - Save As - lots of tidying by hand. It works, but it isn't a pretty process with our setup. I'm sure folks on this list could do better, though. tex4ht has some switches that help it produce output suited for this path. It was designed to be configured very extensively. What I meant earlier (but didn't express well) was that I didn't know if it was possible to generate bibliographies from keys in the ODT environment. I'm guessing there must be a way to do this (Endnote?, Zotero?), but I haven't looked into it. Tom -- Thomas S. Dye http://www.tsdye.com
Re: [O] Bibliographic references
On 17/12/11 11:25:36, Thomas S. Dye wrote: Nick Dokos nicholas.do...@hp.com writes: Thomas S. Dye t...@tsdye.com wrote: Of course, this just handles the in-text part for formats other than LaTeX. LaTeX uses bibtex or biblatex to compile the list of references. I don't know how to accomplish this in ODT. For html, I export from Org-mode to LaTeX, then use tex4ht to convert to html. This leverages the bibtex capabilities and yields nicely formatted bibliographies in html. If libreoffice can import HTML, maybe the tex4ht way can work for ODT as well? Nick Hi Nick, Good catch. In principle, yes, though I've never worked with libreoffice. We follow a similar path to produce Word versions of our documents when clients require them: Org - LaTeX - tex4ht - html - Word - Save As - lots of tidying by hand. It works, but it isn't a pretty process with our setup. I'm sure folks on this list could do better, though. tex4ht has some switches that help it produce output suited for this path. It was designed to be configured very extensively. What I meant earlier (but didn't express well) was that I didn't know if it was possible to generate bibliographies from keys in the ODT environment. I'm guessing there must be a way to do this (Endnote?, Zotero?), but I haven't looked into it. Even though my original question was a bit ambiguous, what I meant was generating the bibliography from keys. One org input file, output to all formats does the right thing. oolatex produces reasonably good OO output, including bibliography, so the org - LaTeX - oolatex sequence would work, but, again, seems clumsy. Particularly since Jambunathan's ODT export looks so good. Alan Tom -- Thomas S. Dye http://www.tsdye.com -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
Re: [O] Bibliographic references
Alan L Tyree alanty...@gmail.com writes: On 17/12/11 11:25:36, Thomas S. Dye wrote: Nick Dokos nicholas.do...@hp.com writes: Thomas S. Dye t...@tsdye.com wrote: Of course, this just handles the in-text part for formats other than LaTeX. LaTeX uses bibtex or biblatex to compile the list of references. I don't know how to accomplish this in ODT. For html, I export from Org-mode to LaTeX, then use tex4ht to convert to html. This leverages the bibtex capabilities and yields nicely formatted bibliographies in html. If libreoffice can import HTML, maybe the tex4ht way can work for ODT as well? Nick Hi Nick, Good catch. In principle, yes, though I've never worked with libreoffice. We follow a similar path to produce Word versions of our documents when clients require them: Org - LaTeX - tex4ht - html - Word - Save As - lots of tidying by hand. It works, but it isn't a pretty process with our setup. I'm sure folks on this list could do better, though. tex4ht has some switches that help it produce output suited for this path. It was designed to be configured very extensively. What I meant earlier (but didn't express well) was that I didn't know if it was possible to generate bibliographies from keys in the ODT environment. I'm guessing there must be a way to do this (Endnote?, Zotero?), but I haven't looked into it. Even though my original question was a bit ambiguous, what I meant was generating the bibliography from keys. One org input file, output to all formats does the right thing. oolatex produces reasonably good OO output, including bibliography, so the org - LaTeX - oolatex sequence would work, but, again, seems clumsy. Particularly since Jambunathan's ODT export looks so good. Alan Tom -- Thomas S. Dye http://www.tsdye.com Aloha Alan, It would probably be fairly easy to add a variable such as org-latex-to-oo-process patterned after org-latex-to-pdf-process and then export to oo through oolatex directly from org-mode. That might get rid of the clumsiness you're experiencing. I'm still curious how one generates a bibliography from keys in the ODT world, or if it is possible. All the best, Tom -- Thomas S. Dye http://www.tsdye.com
Re: [O] Bibliographic references
On 17/12/11 12:21:42, Thomas S. Dye wrote: Alan L Tyree alanty...@gmail.com writes: On 17/12/11 11:25:36, Thomas S. Dye wrote: Nick Dokos nicholas.do...@hp.com writes: Thomas S. Dye t...@tsdye.com wrote: Of course, this just handles the in-text part for formats other than LaTeX. LaTeX uses bibtex or biblatex to compile the list of references. I don't know how to accomplish this in ODT. For html, I export from Org-mode to LaTeX, then use tex4ht to convert to html. This leverages the bibtex capabilities and yields nicely formatted bibliographies in html. If libreoffice can import HTML, maybe the tex4ht way can work for ODT as well? Nick Hi Nick, Good catch. In principle, yes, though I've never worked with libreoffice. We follow a similar path to produce Word versions of our documents when clients require them: Org - LaTeX - tex4ht - html - Word - Save As - lots of tidying by hand. It works, but it isn't a pretty process with our setup. I'm sure folks on this list could do better, though. tex4ht has some switches that help it produce output suited for this path. It was designed to be configured very extensively. What I meant earlier (but didn't express well) was that I didn't know if it was possible to generate bibliographies from keys in the ODT environment. I'm guessing there must be a way to do this (Endnote?, Zotero?), but I haven't looked into it. Even though my original question was a bit ambiguous, what I meant was generating the bibliography from keys. One org input file, output to all formats does the right thing. oolatex produces reasonably good OO output, including bibliography, so the org - LaTeX - oolatex sequence would work, but, again, seems clumsy. Particularly since Jambunathan's ODT export looks so good. Alan Tom -- Thomas S. Dye http://www.tsdye.com Aloha Alan, It would probably be fairly easy to add a variable such as org-latex-to-oo-process patterned after org-latex-to-pdf-process and then export to oo through oolatex directly from org-mode. That might get rid of the clumsiness you're experiencing. I'm still curious how one generates a bibliography from keys in the ODT world, or if it is possible. Er, yeah, G'day Thomas :-), I'm actually more interested in XHTML output since my main interest is in generating ePub books. Org exports nicer html than LyX, but LyX's ability to deal directly with bibtex keys when exporting to html is very nice. It means that there is a one stop shop for print and eBooks. But I would much rather work in emacs and org. Cheers, Alan All the best, Tom -- Thomas S. Dye http://www.tsdye.com -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
