Re: [O] Sort TODOs in agenda day
At Wed, 1 Feb 2012 07:51:59 -0500, Bernt Hansen wrote: You can add BOTH time-up and effort-up to the sorting strategy for the agenda and time will prevail - for items with a time, and effort will be the next sorting criteria. The point I missed is that time-up will only be applied to those items have a date-stamp for the day in question, so that effort-up will not be outranked by time-up for the rest of the entries. Have you tried this? ;; Sorting order for tasks on the agenda (setq org-agenda-sorting-strategy (quote ((agenda time-up effort-up I have now: initially I thought that the time-up would leave nothing for effort-up to work on. When I was first experimented with the sorting strategy I used the customize interface to set it for the current session only and looked at the result of my agenda with the new setting. Yes, setting configurations for current session only is a huge boon for trials, but the clunky customize interface for manipulating the values is a bit annoying compared to Emacs' built in sexpr manipulation. Swapping the order of two sorting strategy entries, for example, is very painful compared to C-M-t. Is there some convenient way of, say, swapping entries in the customize interface? (setq org-agenda-sorting-strategy (quote ((agenda habit-down time-up user-defined-up priority-down effort-up category-keep) (todo category-up priority-down effort-up) (tags category-up priority-down effort-up) (search category-up so for the agenda daily view habits are at the bottom, and timed items are at the top, then my user-defined sorting function sorts what is left for the middle section of the list in the following order: It's still not entirely clear to me how these options work. Take habit-down, at the beginning. What do the '-down' and '-up' mean? I infer that they might have one of two meanings: in 'habit-down' the '-down' seems to mean that habits should be placed at the bottom, while in 'effort-down' I infer that it means that items with an effort property should be sorted by decreasing effort, relative to eachother. There's clearly some confusion in my mind about how these work. - items with no schedule/deadline and timestamped for today - deadlines for today - late deadlines - scheduled items for today - late scheduled items - and pending deadlines last Incidentally, why did you need to create a macro which captures num-a, num-b result, for your implementation of bh/agenda-sort? AFAICT, functions which return +1,-1 or nil would have been adeqate here. What have I missed?
Re: [O] Sort TODOs in agenda day
On 2012-02-01, Jacek Generowicz jacek.generow...@cern.ch wrote: I see. Should I infer that org-mode doesn't provide any features for applying different strategies to different portions of single day's display in the agenda? You check for the section in your user-defined sort function. -- The Kafka Pandemic: http://thekafkapandemic.blogspot.com
Re: [O] Sort TODOs in agenda day
Jacek Generowicz jacek.generow...@cern.ch writes: At Wed, 1 Feb 2012 07:51:59 -0500, Bernt Hansen wrote: When I was first experimented with the sorting strategy I used the customize interface to set it for the current session only and looked at the result of my agenda with the new setting. Yes, setting configurations for current session only is a huge boon for trials, but the clunky customize interface for manipulating the values is a bit annoying compared to Emacs' built in sexpr manipulation. Swapping the order of two sorting strategy entries, for example, is very painful compared to C-M-t. Is there some convenient way of, say, swapping entries in the customize interface? I would probably show the current customize setting, paste it to the scratch buffer and wrap it in a (setq VARIABLE-NAME ...) and then edit it and C-M-t, then go back to the customize view to tweak other settings. The main advantage of customize is it won't break the format. I used customize almost exclusively for 2 years when I was working with my org-mode files and have since moved to setq's only since I'm now comfortable with the elisp sexp settings. (setq org-agenda-sorting-strategy (quote ((agenda habit-down time-up user-defined-up priority-down effort-up category-keep) (todo category-up priority-down effort-up) (tags category-up priority-down effort-up) (search category-up so for the agenda daily view habits are at the bottom, and timed items are at the top, then my user-defined sorting function sorts what is left for the middle section of the list in the following order: It's still not entirely clear to me how these options work. Take habit-down, at the beginning. What do the '-down' and '-up' mean? I infer that they might have one of two meanings: in 'habit-down' the '-down' seems to mean that habits should be placed at the bottom, while in 'effort-down' I infer that it means that items with an effort property should be sorted by decreasing effort, relative to eachother. There's clearly some confusion in my mind about how these work. I came up with my current settings with a bunch of trial and error until it did what I wanted - then I moved on to something else. I'm not sure I understand all of it either :) - items with no schedule/deadline and timestamped for today - deadlines for today - late deadlines - scheduled items for today - late scheduled items - and pending deadlines last Incidentally, why did you need to create a macro which captures num-a, num-b result, for your implementation of bh/agenda-sort? AFAICT, functions which return +1,-1 or nil would have been adeqate here. What have I missed? Honestly I can't remember... I was experimenting with macros for the first time when I wrote this. The function that is called is passed in as the first argument but if an elisp function can do the job then the macro probably isn't required. What I have works now... so I'm not sure I want to try to fix it :) Regards, Bernt
Re: [O] Sort TODOs in agenda day
At Tue, 31 Jan 2012 12:39:48 -0500, Bernt Hansen wrote: Jacek Generowicz jacek.generow...@cern.ch writes: Yes, but how do I instruct it to apply one strategy (time-up) to those items which appear in the time-grid portion of the day's display (the appointments), and a different one to the other entries (scheduled TODOs, deadlines)? Specifically, by adding a command to org-agenda-custom-commands which contains something like ((agenda ((org-agenda-sorting-strategy '(effort-up) messes up the time ordering of appointments for that command. I have a fairly complicated sorting function which gets the order of items exactly how I want to see them on the agenda. The gory details are here: http://doc.norang.ca/org-mode.html#AgendaViewTweaks I see. Should I infer that org-mode doesn't provide any features for applying different strategies to different portions of single day's display in the agenda? In other words there are no hooks into the standard agenda sorting strategy, and if you want to modify its behaviour you essentially have to roll your own from scratch, duplicating much of the original effort? HTH, Yup. Thanks.
Re: [O] Sort TODOs in agenda day
Jacek Generowicz jacek.generow...@cern.ch writes: At Tue, 31 Jan 2012 12:39:48 -0500, Bernt Hansen wrote: Jacek Generowicz jacek.generow...@cern.ch writes: Yes, but how do I instruct it to apply one strategy (time-up) to those items which appear in the time-grid portion of the day's display (the appointments), and a different one to the other entries (scheduled TODOs, deadlines)? Specifically, by adding a command to org-agenda-custom-commands which contains something like ((agenda ((org-agenda-sorting-strategy '(effort-up) messes up the time ordering of appointments for that command. I have a fairly complicated sorting function which gets the order of items exactly how I want to see them on the agenda. The gory details are here: http://doc.norang.ca/org-mode.html#AgendaViewTweaks I see. Should I infer that org-mode doesn't provide any features for applying different strategies to different portions of single day's display in the agenda? In other words there are no hooks into the standard agenda sorting strategy, and if you want to modify its behaviour you essentially have to roll your own from scratch, duplicating much of the original effort? Not necessarily, if the standard sorting mechanism with an appropriate setting for org-agenda-sorting-strategy does what you need then there is no reason to create a user-defined sorting function (which is what I did). You can add BOTH time-up and effort-up to the sorting strategy for the agenda and time will prevail - for items with a time, and effort will be the next sorting criteria. Have you tried this? ;; Sorting order for tasks on the agenda (setq org-agenda-sorting-strategy (quote ((agenda time-up effort-up When I was first experimented with the sorting strategy I used the customize interface to set it for the current session only and looked at the result of my agenda with the new setting. The reason I define and use a user-defined-up sorting function is I want complete control over where each type of item goes in my agenda. My setting for the agenda is below: (setq org-agenda-sorting-strategy (quote ((agenda habit-down time-up user-defined-up priority-down effort-up category-keep) (todo category-up priority-down effort-up) (tags category-up priority-down effort-up) (search category-up so for the agenda daily view habits are at the bottom, and timed items are at the top, then my user-defined sorting function sorts what is left for the middle section of the list in the following order: - items with no schedule/deadline and timestamped for today - deadlines for today - late deadlines - scheduled items for today - late scheduled items - and pending deadlines last Regards, Bernt HTH, Yup. Thanks.
Re: [O] Sort TODOs in agenda day
At Mon, 30 Jan 2012 19:32:01 -0500, Bernt Hansen wrote: Jacek Generowicz jacek.generow...@cern.ch writes: Hello, In the standard agenda view for any single day, apponintments appear in chronolological order before any TODOs which seem to be ordered accoriding to the order in which they appear in their org files. How could I get the TODOs to be sorted by something like effort-up without breaking the chronological sort of the appointments? Look at the variable org-agenda-sorting-strategy. Yes, but how do I instruct it to apply one strategy (time-up) to those items which appear in the time-grid portion of the day's display (the appointments), and a different one to the other entries (scheduled TODOs, deadlines)? Specifically, by adding a command to org-agenda-custom-commands which contains something like ((agenda ((org-agenda-sorting-strategy '(effort-up) messes up the time ordering of appointments for that command.
Re: [O] Sort TODOs in agenda day
Jacek Generowicz jacek.generow...@cern.ch writes: At Mon, 30 Jan 2012 19:32:01 -0500, Bernt Hansen wrote: Jacek Generowicz jacek.generow...@cern.ch writes: Hello, In the standard agenda view for any single day, apponintments appear in chronolological order before any TODOs which seem to be ordered accoriding to the order in which they appear in their org files. How could I get the TODOs to be sorted by something like effort-up without breaking the chronological sort of the appointments? Look at the variable org-agenda-sorting-strategy. Yes, but how do I instruct it to apply one strategy (time-up) to those items which appear in the time-grid portion of the day's display (the appointments), and a different one to the other entries (scheduled TODOs, deadlines)? Specifically, by adding a command to org-agenda-custom-commands which contains something like ((agenda ((org-agenda-sorting-strategy '(effort-up) messes up the time ordering of appointments for that command. I have a fairly complicated sorting function which gets the order of items exactly how I want to see them on the agenda. The gory details are here: http://doc.norang.ca/org-mode.html#AgendaViewTweaks HTH, Bernt
Re: [O] Sort TODOs in agenda day
Jacek Generowicz jacek.generow...@cern.ch writes: Hello, In the standard agenda view for any single day, apponintments appear in chronolological order before any TODOs which seem to be ordered accoriding to the order in which they appear in their org files. How could I get the TODOs to be sorted by something like effort-up without breaking the chronological sort of the appointments? Look at the variable org-agenda-sorting-strategy. Regards, Bernt
