Re: [O] missing todo's in agenda after emacs/org upgrade
Good morning gents, I think you nailed it. Thanks! * Summary Having the todo list in a daily view is very convenient, but not provided out-of-the-box. The enabling of it used to be relatively simply with a single variable, but in more recent version it’s now reserved for org-savvy people. Hooray for http://orgmode.org/worg/org-tutorials/org-custom-agenda-commands.html * What the problem was In Emacs 7.7, the variable org-agenda-include-all-todo no longer affects the daily/weekly view as documented. ** org-agenda-include-all-todo no longer works The docstrings states: docstring Set means weekly/daily agenda will always contain all TODO entries. The TODO entries will be listed at the top of the agenda, before the entries for specific days. This option is deprecated, it is better to define a block agenda instead. Note that it says it’s deprecated, but it’s still present and describes the behavior I was used to. But it doesn’t. Which is in-line what what Puneeth mentioned (commit 770c2ddfba5c173d1b33e7b247b49a8188994f76). ** Terminology Notice that org-agenda-include-all-todo’s docstring mentions ‘block agenda’, as does the ‘Agenda View’ chapter in the manual. But that term is nowhere to be found in Org’s customization options. You must first find ‘Agenda Custom Commands’, but there the docstring mentions “You can also define a set of commands, to create a __composite agenda__ buffer.” So there is a problem of terminology here. * Thoughts I do question this change a bit. I find it very convenient to have my to-do’s (scheduled or not) in my day view. Now, I must make a block agenda to get this. OK, I can handle that. However, out-of-the box behavior should suit beginners, and asking them to make a block agenda as the first thing to do is a bit heavy, no? (Have you seen the customization page for that? Frightening!) So, to get what I used to have[1] I need to define a custom view like this: (setq org-agenda-custom-commands '((h All to-do's and Agenda ((alltodo) (agenda ) [1] It’s not identical because of the block headers, but that might be something that is customizable. Haven’t checked it yet. Also, in the older version you could type `d’ or `w' to switch to day or week view from anywhere in the buffer; now you must make sure the cursor is on the agenda black and not in the todo black. This is a bit annoying. * Example Using GNU Emacs 23.3.1 The example uses the todo list from Suvayu’s mail: ~/planning/minimal.org * TODO Plumber to fix leak 2011-08-04 Thu * TODO RooStats tutorial SCHEDULED: 2011-01-25 Tue 09:00 * TODO Analysis deadline DEADLINE: 2011-08-19 Fri 15:00 * TODO Read Dune The above 3 entries show up in the agenda, but this one doesn’t. And a minimal emacs init file: ~/.emacs-minimal (add-to-list 'auto-mode-alist '(\\.\\(org\\ |org_archive\\|txt\\)$ . org-mode)) (setq org-agenda-files '(~/planning/minimal.org)) (require 'org-install) (require 'org-habit) (global-set-key \C-ca 'org-agenda) Start with /Applications/Emacs.app/Contents/MacOS/Emacs --debug-init -Q -l ~/.emacs-minimal ** Behavior with Org 6.33x Org-mode 6.33x as version with Emacs 23) *** ‘out of the box’ setup Do `C-c a a’ Weekly agenda shows= Week-agenda (W33): Monday 15 August 2011 W33 Tuesday16 August 2011 Wednesday 17 August 2011 Thursday 18 August 2011 Friday 19 August 2011 8:00.. 10:00.. 12:00.. 14:00.. minimal:15:00.. Deadline: TODO Analysis deadline 16:00.. 18:00.. 20:00.. minimal:Sched.207x: TODO RooStats tutorial Saturday 20 August 2011 Sunday 21 August 2011 - Daily agenda shows= Day-agenda (W33): Friday 19 August 2011 8:00.. 10:00.. 12:00.. 14:00.. minimal:15:00.. Deadline: TODO Analysis deadline 16:00.. 18:00.. 20:00.. minimal:Sched.207x: TODO RooStats tutorial *** To include the TODO items Add this to the init file (or evaluate): (setq org-agenda-include-all-todo t)
Re: [O] missing todo's in agenda after emacs/org upgrade
On Aug 19, 2011, at 11:02 AM, peter.fri...@agfa.com wrote: Good morning gents, I think you nailed it. Thanks! * Summary Having the todo list in a daily view is very convenient, but not provided out-of-the-box. The enabling of it used to be relatively simply with a single variable, but in more recent version it’s now reserved for org-savvy people. Hooray for http://orgmode.org/worg/org-tutorials/org-custom-agenda-commands.html OK, I am attaching a patch proposal which will clean this up a bit. It does: - Clean up the variable name include-all, which is confusing for readers of the code - Make `org-agenda-custom-commands' have a default value, which is a block that does put agenda and TODO list into one view. Note that I have changed the sequence from Peter's proposal, I am putting the agenda first - this makes more sense, I think, and also reduces the likelihood that the cursor will be in the TODO list when you are trying to move through time. - I have *not* changes the problem that trying to change time views in the TODO block will not work - this would have required more coding and would create undefined behavior in some block agendas. HTH, please give me feed back. Bastien, let me know if/when I should push this change. Cheers - Carsten agenda-include-all.patch Description: Binary data * What the problem was In Emacs 7.7, the variable org-agenda-include-all-todo no longer affects the daily/weekly view as documented. ** org-agenda-include-all-todo no longer works The docstrings states: docstring Set means weekly/daily agenda will always contain all TODO entries. The TODO entries will be listed at the top of the agenda, before the entries for specific days. This option is deprecated, it is better to define a block agenda instead. Note that it says it’s deprecated, but it’s still present and describes the behavior I was used to. But it doesn’t. Which is in-line what what Puneeth mentioned (commit 770c2ddfba5c173d1b33e7b247b49a8188994f76). ** Terminology Notice that org-agenda-include-all-todo’s docstring mentions ‘block agenda’, as does the ‘Agenda View’ chapter in the manual. But that term is nowhere to be found in Org’s customization options. You must first find ‘Agenda Custom Commands’, but there the docstring mentions “You can also define a set of commands, to create a __composite agenda__ buffer.” So there is a problem of terminology here. * Thoughts I do question this change a bit. I find it very convenient to have my to-do’s (scheduled or not) in my day view. Now, I must make a block agenda to get this. OK, I can handle that. However, out-of-the box behavior should suit beginners, and asking them to make a block agenda as the first thing to do is a bit heavy, no? (Have you seen the customization page for that? Frightening!) So, to get what I used to have[1] I need to define a custom view like this: (setq org-agenda-custom-commands '((h All to-do's and Agenda ((alltodo) (agenda ) [1] It’s not identical because of the block headers, but that might be something that is customizable. Haven’t checked it yet. Also, in the older version you could type `d’ or `w' to switch to day or week view from anywhere in the buffer; now you must make sure the cursor is on the agenda black and not in the todo black. This is a bit annoying. * Example Using GNU Emacs 23.3.1 The example uses the todo list from Suvayu’s mail: ~/planning/minimal.org * TODO Plumber to fix leak 2011-08-04 Thu * TODO RooStats tutorial SCHEDULED: 2011-01-25 Tue 09:00 * TODO Analysis deadline DEADLINE: 2011-08-19 Fri 15:00 * TODO Read Dune The above 3 entries show up in the agenda, but this one doesn’t. And a minimal emacs init file: ~/.emacs-minimal (add-to-list 'auto-mode-alist '(\\.\\(org\\ |org_archive\\|txt\\)$ . org-mode)) (setq org-agenda-files '(~/planning/minimal.org)) (require 'org-install) (require 'org-habit) (global-set-key \C-ca 'org-agenda) Start with /Applications/Emacs.app/Contents/MacOS/Emacs --debug-init -Q -l ~/.emacs-minimal ** Behavior with Org 6.33x Org-mode 6.33x as version with Emacs 23) *** ‘out of the box’ setup Do `C-c a a’ Weekly agenda shows= Week-agenda (W33): Monday 15 August 2011 W33 Tuesday16 August 2011 Wednesday 17 August 2011 Thursday 18 August 2011 Friday 19 August 2011 8:00.. 10:00.. 12:00..
Re: [O] missing todo's in agenda after emacs/org upgrade
Hello Carsten, On 19 Aug 2011, at 11:59, Carsten Dominik wrote: The two main issues you are having are these: 1. There is no simple way for beginners to get both TODO and agenda in one view 2. Moving through time does not work in a block view when the cursor is in the TODO list. A third one would be the docstring of org-agenda-include-all-todo set, suggesting that it still works. If there is no intention to revive it, I’d suggest to simply remove the entire variable. About issue 1, there could be a standard, ready-for-use custom command. But don’t bother if I’m the only one that finds it convenient. Fixing 2 would be great. Maybe there are other keystrokes that can be delegated to other blocks (e.g. in order of appearance) if the currently-focussed block doesn’t handle them? Cheers, Peter. -- c++; // this makes c bigger but returns the old value
Re: [O] missing todo's in agenda after emacs/org upgrade
Hi Carsten, Carsten Dominik carsten.domi...@gmail.com writes: OK, I am attaching a patch proposal which will clean this up a bit. Thanks for tackling these issues -- I can't read the patch thourh, as it is just two lines long, can you resent it? It does: - Clean up the variable name include-all, which is confusing for readers of the code - Make `org-agenda-custom-commands' have a default value, which is a block that does put agenda and TODO list into one view. Note that I have changed the sequence from Peter's proposal, I am putting the agenda first - this makes more sense, I think, and also reduces the likelihood that the cursor will be in the TODO list when you are trying to move through time. - I have *not* changes the problem that trying to change time views in the TODO block will not work - this would have required more coding and would create undefined behavior in some block agendas. HTH, please give me feed back. Bastien, let me know if/when I should push this change. I'll test it this afternoon. Best, -- Bastien
Re: [O] missing todo's in agenda after emacs/org upgrade
On Aug 19, 2011, at 3:08 PM, Bastien wrote: Hi Carsten, Carsten Dominik carsten.domi...@gmail.com writes: OK, I am attaching a patch proposal which will clean this up a bit. Thanks for tackling these issues -- I can't read the patch thourh, as it is just two lines long, can you resent it? Strange. Here it is again: agenda-include-all.patch Description: Binary data It does: - Clean up the variable name include-all, which is confusing for readers of the code - Make `org-agenda-custom-commands' have a default value, which is a block that does put agenda and TODO list into one view. Note that I have changed the sequence from Peter's proposal, I am putting the agenda first - this makes more sense, I think, and also reduces the likelihood that the cursor will be in the TODO list when you are trying to move through time. - I have *not* changes the problem that trying to change time views in the TODO block will not work - this would have required more coding and would create undefined behavior in some block agendas. HTH, please give me feed back. Bastien, let me know if/when I should push this change. I'll test it this afternoon. Best, -- Bastien - Carsten
Re: [O] missing todo's in agenda after emacs/org upgrade
Carsten Dominik carsten.domi...@gmail.com writes: Strange. Here it is again: Thanks -- please go ahead! (Good to get rid of include-all, I stumbled on this while debugging the agenda a while ago...) Best, -- Bastien
Re: [O] missing todo's in agenda after emacs/org upgrade
Carsten Dominik wrote: 2. Moving through time does not work in a block view when the cursor is in the TODO list. Maybe we can find ways to address these two issues? For example, including a built-in command for this double view, or seeding org-agenda-custom-commands with this particular block? The 2. issue comes about because in a bock agenda, org only update the local block to save time, and in a TODO list it does not make sense to move through time. This could be fixed by checking for an agenda block and updating that one instead. I will take a look at this and make a proposal. This would be very nice indeed. Right now, one has to jump back to the beginning of the buffer, which is somewhat irritating. Cheers, Viktor
Re: [O] missing todo's in agenda after emacs/org upgrade
Hi Peter, This is quite an extensive setup. What do you get with only the following options: (setq org-agenda-files '(~/planning/planning.org ~/planning/todo.org ~/planning/notes.org ~/planning/time-sheet.org) org-agenda-include-diary t org-todo-keywords '((sequence TODO(t) BUSY(b) WAITING(w) | DONE(d) CANCELLED(c) POSTPONED(p I think your best bet is to try to isolate which part of your setup is interfering. I would start with the most basic setup and systematically add more until I hit the problem. GL -- Suvayu Open source is the future. It sets us free.
Re: [O] missing todo's in agenda after emacs/org upgrade
Hi Suvayu, This is quite an extensive setup. What do you get with only the following options: [remainder at end] I have removed all customizations, started with an empty org-agenda-files list, opened my main planning file and added it to the agenda list. That’s about the most basic setup I can get. I do have the logged work now, that is already something, but still no TODO items on the current day (in day view). Oh, BTW, the Agenda TODO list shows all todo items… go figure! I switched on 'Org Agenda Include All Todo’, although the description says I should better use a block agenda. However, the ‘out of the box’ agenda should show the TODO items, no? I restored my previous set-up and voila, all was there. Grrr. Note that I mistakenly reported org-mode’s version of previous setup (with Carbon Emacs) as 6.6; it’s actually 7.4. I’ll compare the two set-ups to see if there’s anything obvious (I did that already, but having a second look never hurts). Thanks, Peter. [Remainder…] (setq org-agenda-files '(~/planning/planning.org ~/planning/todo.org ~/planning/notes.org ~/planning/time-sheet.org) org-agenda-include-diary t org-todo-keywords '((sequence TODO(t) BUSY(b) WAITING(w) | DONE(d) CANCELLED(c) POSTPONED(p I think your best bet is to try to isolate which part of your setup is interfering. I would start with the most basic setup and systematically add more until I hit the problem. GL -- Suvayu Open source is the future. It sets us free.
Re: [O] missing todo's in agenda after emacs/org upgrade
Hello Peter, On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 6:36 PM, peter.fri...@agfa.com wrote: I have removed all customizations, started with an empty org-agenda-files list, opened my main planning file and added it to the agenda list. That’s about the most basic setup I can get. I do have the logged work now, that is already something, but still no TODO items on the current day (in day view). Oh, BTW, the Agenda TODO list shows all todo items… go figure! It might be helpful to know how your TODO entries are formatted. Maybe its not the setup, but how the agenda files are formatted that was causing the issue? In any case, good to hear it is resolved now. -- Suvayu Open source is the future. It sets us free.
Re: [O] missing todo's in agenda after emacs/org upgrade
Hi Suvayu, On 18 Aug 2011, at 18:44, suvayu ali wrote: It might be helpful to know how your TODO entries are formatted. Maybe its not the setup, but how the agenda files are formatted that was causing the issue? In any case, good to hear it is resolved now. That’s the problem, the issue is *not* resolved… the todo items show up in the global todo list, but still not in the daily agenda view. So I believe the TODO items are formatted `according to spec’ :-). E.g., “** TODO Fix the daily agenda view”. I tried the really minimal set-up, as documented on worg [1], and as it is it is not showing TODO items in the agenda, either. But when I switch on 'Org Agenda Include All Todo’, it does! With the same agenda files (thus I really assume they’re properly formatted). So, one step closer… but no cigar. I’m now comparing the org settings between the two set-ups (as included in the org bug report facility), but I don’t notice anything obvious… it’s frustrating! But tomorrow is another day, and maybe with a fresh mind… who knows? Thanks! Peter. [1] http://orgmode.org/worg/org-faq.html
Re: [O] missing todo's in agenda after emacs/org upgrade
On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 11:11 PM, peter.fri...@agfa.com wrote: Hi Suvayu, On 18 Aug 2011, at 18:44, suvayu ali wrote: It might be helpful to know how your TODO entries are formatted. Maybe its not the setup, but how the agenda files are formatted that was causing the issue? In any case, good to hear it is resolved now. That’s the problem, the issue is *not* resolved… the todo items show up in the global todo list, but still not in the daily agenda view. As far as I understand, this has been changed. Agenda view doesn't show the TODO list anymore, by default. Look at the following commit for details. -- commit 770c2ddfba5c173d1b33e7b247b49a8188994f76 Author: Bernt Hansen be...@norang.ca Date: Tue Apr 5 01:05:43 2011 + Remove obsolete functionality to add todo list in front of agenda * lisp/org-agenda.el: Remove obsolete code for adding todo list in front of the agenda Todo lists should be built with the TODO list or a block agenda instead. This code was triggered for C-u R in block agendas which is used to limit the clock report to the current tags filter applied to the agenda. HTH, Puneeth
Re: [O] missing todo's in agenda after emacs/org upgrade
Hi Peter and Puneeth, Puneeth Chaganti wrote: On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 11:11 PM, peter.fri...@agfa.com wrote: Hi Suvayu, On 18 Aug 2011, at 18:44, suvayu ali wrote: It might be helpful to know how your TODO entries are formatted. Maybe its not the setup, but how the agenda files are formatted that was causing the issue? In any case, good to hear it is resolved now. That’s the problem, the issue is *not* resolved… the todo items show up in the global todo list, but still not in the daily agenda view. As far as I understand, this has been changed. Agenda view doesn't show the TODO list anymore, by default. Look at the following commit for details. Are we talking of SCHEDULED TODO's or not? Peter, can you provide a minimal but complete example of what are your source files, and your current vs expected agenda view? Just one or two items should be sufficient to express your point, and let people really understand your problem. I mean, I'm not totally sure to understand the real problem you experience. Best regards, Seb -- Sebastien Vauban
Re: [O] missing todo's in agenda after emacs/org upgrade
Hi Peter, On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 7:41 PM, peter.fri...@agfa.com wrote: So I believe the TODO items are formatted `according to spec’ :-). E.g., “** TODO Fix the daily agenda view”. I don't think the present version of org will show an entry in the agenda unless you have an active timestamp. To give you an example: * TODO Plumber to fix leak 2011-08-04 Thu * TODO RooStats tutorial SCHEDULED: 2011-01-25 Tue 09:00 * TODO Analysis deadline DEADLINE: 2011-08-19 Fri 15:00 * TODO Read Dune The above 3 entries show up in the agenda, but this one doesn't. Actually to show up in the agenda, the TODO keyword is not necessary. It depends solely on the timestamp and you get reminders based on whether its a regular timestamp, SCHEDULED timestamp or a DEADLINE. I hope this helps. If you still have issues, please follow what Seb suggested and post a minimal example which demonstrates the behaviour you describe. GL -- Suvayu Open source is the future. It sets us free.
