Re: [Orgmode] [OT] Have you also got hooked by Vim?
I've tried several times to use Viper, but I always give up. The usual showstopper is read-only Emacs modes with single-character key bindings, like MH-E. The d key deletes a message in an MH folder, but in vi, d deletes text to a target. So the obvious thing to do is turn Viper mode off in folder buffers. But I'd like to use the vi keys for motion (h, j, k, l) -- I can't get used to using them in some buffers and not others. So unless I'm unaware of some trick, I have to build my own keymap almost for each of these modes. ajk ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] [OT] Have you also got hooked by Vim?
Hi Andrew On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 13:27, Andrew J. Korty a...@iu.edu wrote: I've tried several times to use Viper, but I always give up. The usual showstopper is read-only Emacs modes with single-character key bindings, like MH-E. The d key deletes a message in an MH folder, but in vi, d deletes text to a target. So the obvious thing to do is turn Viper mode off in folder buffers. But I'd like to use the vi keys for motion (h, j, k, l) -- I can't get used to using them in some buffers and not others. So unless I'm unaware of some trick, I have to build my own keymap almost for each of these modes. I hope I understand you right and this helps: I use C-z for this with viper level 3 to have C-z bound to Emacs. When I open e. g. dired then the viper state in this buffer that is shown in the mode line is E meaning Emacs. In this mode the Emacs keys are active like e. g. `f' to open the file in a new buffer or p/n to go up/down. Back in dired and after C-z the viper state changes to V meaning viper. In this mode the vi keys are active like e. g. `f' to find a certain character or k/j to go up/down. C-z at any time toggles again to E. Michael ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] [OT] Have you also got hooked by Vim?
Marcelo de Moraes Serpa celose...@gmail.com writes: Hey list, [...] However, I've got hooked. Vim (in my case, MacVim) has conquered my hands. I know I'm risking myself a lot by saying it on an emacs-related mailing list, but the Vim navigation and the vim model in general is much more efficient for editing text. (Btw, that's what led me into Viper and Vimpulse on emacs, I'm currently using them with org) So, how many of you here also use Vim? :) Regards, Marcelo. Well, I cut my teeth on vi 30+ years ago (yes :(, on Unix V7 on a PDP 11/45 I think it was...) and my fingers still think that hjkl are the normal keys to use for navigation! I do like the modal approach of vi. However, it's the power of Emacs as a development platform (i.e. infinitely customisable) that means I have been using it for almost as long and it is my editor of choice for most things. For quick and dirty jobs (e.g. add a line or two in some config file while logged in from my phone), I'll use vi but otherwise it's Emacs. I did try one or another of the vi modes in Emacs but just basically got annoyed so gave up... I am following the development of org on vim closely, mind you, but haven't tried it out yet. However, I would need gnus on vim as well ;-) -- : Eric S Fraga (GnuPG: 0xC89193D8FFFCF67D) in Emacs 23.2.1 : using Org-mode version 7.4 (release_7.4.168.g0ec8) ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] [OT] Have you also got hooked by Vim?
Nice! I think that the classic flame wars, while unavoidable at certain levels, just end up sucking energy. Why not embrace and use the best of both worlds to your benefit? Emacs and Vim are without any doubt the best two piece of software in what comes to text editing/surgery. Emacs has orgmode and is a great lisp platform. Vim's modal editing is best suited for editing text, and the editor itself and its simplicity are a plus. Now, many would ask me, why the hell would I use Emacs + Orgmode when I can use Things.app or other modern GUI . The final answer is: Efficiency, speed and flexbility. For such an important thing as personal organization, I think that the implementation of your system needs to be as flexible as possible, but also simple and fast to operate. You can't get it anywhere else, I'm sure. Unless you develop you own PIM from scratch. I don't think I would use org on VIM full-time; It's nice to have the compatibility but I don't like VIMScript and haven't tried the external scripting to VIM, but I do like elisp (although I'm only a beginner on it). For my professional duties, MacVim exceeds emacs. Why? Because it is simpler and more efficient. As a PIM platform (or should I say framework?) I can't really think of anything better than emacs + orgmode + your custom hacks. But anyway, it's so much fun to learn all these technologies... oh, the geek inside of me... :) Marcelo. On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 10:58 AM, Eric S Fraga e.fr...@ucl.ac.uk wrote: Marcelo de Moraes Serpa celose...@gmail.com writes: Hey list, [...] However, I've got hooked. Vim (in my case, MacVim) has conquered my hands. I know I'm risking myself a lot by saying it on an emacs-related mailing list, but the Vim navigation and the vim model in general is much more efficient for editing text. (Btw, that's what led me into Viper and Vimpulse on emacs, I'm currently using them with org) So, how many of you here also use Vim? :) Regards, Marcelo. Well, I cut my teeth on vi 30+ years ago (yes :(, on Unix V7 on a PDP 11/45 I think it was...) and my fingers still think that hjkl are the normal keys to use for navigation! I do like the modal approach of vi. However, it's the power of Emacs as a development platform (i.e. infinitely customisable) that means I have been using it for almost as long and it is my editor of choice for most things. For quick and dirty jobs (e.g. add a line or two in some config file while logged in from my phone), I'll use vi but otherwise it's Emacs. I did try one or another of the vi modes in Emacs but just basically got annoyed so gave up... I am following the development of org on vim closely, mind you, but haven't tried it out yet. However, I would need gnus on vim as well ;-) -- : Eric S Fraga (GnuPG: 0xC89193D8FFFCF67D) in Emacs 23.2.1 : using Org-mode version 7.4 (release_7.4.168.g0ec8) ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] [OT] Have you also got hooked by Vim?
Hi Marcelo On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 07:09, Marcelo de Moraes Serpa celose...@gmail.com wrote: So, how many of you here also use Vim? :) I also started with Emacs and later got hooked by the modal user interface of vi for editing. Now I use vi/Vim for simple editing tasks like config files while in a shell or on a machine where Emacs is not available and Emacs with viper-mode for all other tasks, also as my only IDE for developing C in large projects. Michael ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
