Re: [Orgmode] Re: New beamer support
On Jan 7, 2010, at 9:54 AM, Sébastien Vauban wrote: Hi Carsten, Carsten Dominik wrote: On Jan 6, 2010, at 5:22 PM, Sébastien Vauban wrote: Carsten Dominik wrote: there is now a new option org-beamer-frame-default-options When setting it into Emacs, great, it DOES WORK as expected! Though, I believe this is more a setting of the document itself, instead of one customization in my own `.emacs' file. Maybe I would have to try with a `#+BIND'. #+BIND will do the trick, it was made just for this. As said previously, yes, it does work for the exporting to beamer TeX file. Though, I experience a bigger problem... When reopening my example file, I now have to answer yes or no to apply the BIND variable (that's OK), but (after answering yes -- no tested with no, as that's not what I need) I loose all the colors in my Org buffer: the Org file becomes black only, in fixed font! All the font locking is away, making the Org file more or less useless (as if I would edit it with Notepad). Any idea?? Hi Sebastian, Can you please turn on debug-on-quit, and then quit at the prompt and show me the backtrace? Because I do not get this by simply visiting a file. - Carsten For info, the black and white phenomenon is propagated to the Summary buffer of Gnus as well. No idea... Best regards, Seb -- Sébastien Vauban ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode - Carsten ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: New beamer support
On Jan 7, 2010, at 10:38 AM, Sébastien Vauban wrote: Hi Carsten, Carsten Dominik wrote: On Jan 6, 2010, at 4:47 PM, Sébastien Vauban wrote: Properties are empty. When not typing `e b', I just end up with: --8---cut here---start-8--- ** DB: [allowframebreaks]: *** Model --8---cut here---end---8--- No property block is created... I believe I have said several times that the second column is *not* the one for the options. The third is. Okaaayyy... I wouldn't say you said it several times, but when re-reading this, yes, you mentioned it, but my eyes passed over it... By the way, how are we supposed to add that property in the most easiest manner? I never really used column view, but I have troubles when using it here. On the node where I want to add that property, I do: - `C-c C-x C-c' to enter column view - `right' (arrow) to go in the second column - `e' to edit the property ... but I'm put in a tag selection menu... What am I doing wrong? That happens at the BEAMER_env property and give you a way to select the environment with a single key, for example `e b' for block. If you move the cursor to the field for env args, e will give you a prompt where you can edit. Though, I really am sorry to waste your time with silly problems, but I still have troubles editing this through the interface. --8---cut here---start-8--- ITEM| Env | Options | DefOvl | Overlay | Col | --8---cut here---end---8--- OK, this is helpful. You are not using the most recent version of the columns template for beamer support. For example, the BEAMER_opt property is not used anymore. Can you use a new file and insert a fresh template, and take it from there? - Carsten Editing in the second column (Env) does only create a tag, as mentioned in my previous posts. The third one (Options) allows inserting a string without passing through the tag interface. There, I insert the string `[allowframebreaks]'. Though, the property created is `BEAMER_opt', not `BEAMER_envargs'?? --8---cut here---start-8--- ** Model : [allowframebreaks]: *** Extensions (aggregation, negation) ** DB :PROPERTIES: :BEAMER_opt: [allowframebreaks] :END: *** Subitem --8---cut here---end---8--- So, this does not add the option `allowframebreaks' to the frames... Best regards, Seb -- Sébastien Vauban ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode - Carsten ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: New beamer support
I don't think org-mode should try to detect when to use any of the frame options in beamer. This could get into the way more then helping, specially the allowframebreaks option. In fact, the beamer manual tells you not to use the allowframebreaks option except for long bibliographies (well, it also tells you not to use long bibliographies) and I agree with this. In a presentation you have to choose carefully what you will put in each slide and always leaving this to beamer with the allowframebreaks is not a good approach. In addition, I agree that when working in a presentation with org-mode you compile much less, but you should still compile sometimes to see if the slides are well designed. I don't know if Carsten has plans to implement this, but a fast preview that exports and compiles only the current slide could be useful here. At last, I have a small feature request that would help organizing the information among the slides. Right now you can use Alt+up/down arrow to move a list item in a heading, but org does not allow passing beyond a heading limit. This makes sense in a normal org file and is very useful, but when writing a presentation with org this restriction can get into the way. This is not a big deal, but maybe others are also interested in this. - Darlan Cavalcante Moreira At Thu, 07 Jan 2010 09:41:29 +0100, Sébastien Vauban wxhgmqzgw...@spammotel.com wrote: Hi Carsten, Carsten Dominik wrote: On Jan 6, 2010, at 5:22 PM, Sébastien Vauban wrote: Carsten Dominik wrote: there is now a new option org-beamer-frame-default-options When setting it into Emacs, great, it DOES WORK as expected! Though, I believe this is more a setting of the document itself, instead of one customization in my own `.emacs' file. I would rather like my colleagues to get the same output when compiling my document. I tried, then, the following: --8---cut here---start-8--- * COMMENT Setup # This is for the sake of Emacs. # Local Variables: # ispell-local-dictionary: en_US # org-beamer-frame-default-options: [allowframebreaks] # End: --8---cut here---end---8--- with no success, though. Maybe I would have to try with a `#+BIND'. #+BIND will do the trick, it was made just for this. #+BIND: org-beamer-frame-default-options [allowframebreaks] does work. Though, wouldn't it be better to explicitly add something like: --8---cut here---start-8--- #+BEAMER_FRAME_EXTRA_OPTIONS: [allowframebreaks] --8---cut here---end---8--- Yes, that would make sense if it is a frequently used feature. I like to hesitate with introducing these special customizations until I am convinced that this is used reasonably often. Otherwise I would have to have 1000 of the special lines, approximately. Question to all: How likely is the use of a default option you'd want to have on *every* frame? The problem is similar to the `fragile' option. Either we can detect the overflow (and the automatically add the option only when needed), or we must add it everywhere in order to ensure we won't have text cut. It's a bit different from when we directly edit beamer files. We compile often and we see the problem appearing. Here, with Org, we would just work in Org only, and publish once at the end. A bit more easy to be aware that some text may have pass away. As #+BIND works, I can imagine living quite honestly the way it currently is, but I let the others decide upon this. Best regards, Seb -- Sébastien Vauban ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: New beamer support
On Jan 7, 2010, at 3:39 PM, Darlan Cavalcante Moreira wrote: I don't think org-mode should try to detect when to use any of the frame options in beamer. This could get into the way more then helping, specially the allowframebreaks option. Do you also think I should not try to add the fragile option automatically? - Carsten In fact, the beamer manual tells you not to use the allowframebreaks option except for long bibliographies (well, it also tells you not to use long bibliographies) and I agree with this. In a presentation you have to choose carefully what you will put in each slide and always leaving this to beamer with the allowframebreaks is not a good approach. In addition, I agree that when working in a presentation with org- mode you compile much less, but you should still compile sometimes to see if the slides are well designed. I don't know if Carsten has plans to implement this, but a fast preview that exports and compiles only the current slide could be useful here. At last, I have a small feature request that would help organizing the information among the slides. Right now you can use Alt+up/down arrow to move a list item in a heading, but org does not allow passing beyond a heading limit. This makes sense in a normal org file and is very useful, but when writing a presentation with org this restriction can get into the way. This is not a big deal, but maybe others are also interested in this. - Darlan Cavalcante Moreira At Thu, 07 Jan 2010 09:41:29 +0100, Sébastien Vauban wxhgmqzgw...@spammotel.com wrote: Hi Carsten, Carsten Dominik wrote: On Jan 6, 2010, at 5:22 PM, Sébastien Vauban wrote: Carsten Dominik wrote: there is now a new option org-beamer-frame-default-options When setting it into Emacs, great, it DOES WORK as expected! Though, I believe this is more a setting of the document itself, instead of one customization in my own `.emacs' file. I would rather like my colleagues to get the same output when compiling my document. I tried, then, the following: --8---cut here---start-8--- * COMMENT Setup # This is for the sake of Emacs. # Local Variables: # ispell-local-dictionary: en_US # org-beamer-frame-default-options: [allowframebreaks] # End: --8---cut here---end---8--- with no success, though. Maybe I would have to try with a `#+BIND'. #+BIND will do the trick, it was made just for this. #+BIND: org-beamer-frame-default-options [allowframebreaks] does work. Though, wouldn't it be better to explicitly add something like: --8---cut here---start-8--- #+BEAMER_FRAME_EXTRA_OPTIONS: [allowframebreaks] --8---cut here---end---8--- Yes, that would make sense if it is a frequently used feature. I like to hesitate with introducing these special customizations until I am convinced that this is used reasonably often. Otherwise I would have to have 1000 of the special lines, approximately. Question to all: How likely is the use of a default option you'd want to have on *every* frame? The problem is similar to the `fragile' option. Either we can detect the overflow (and the automatically add the option only when needed), or we must add it everywhere in order to ensure we won't have text cut. It's a bit different from when we directly edit beamer files. We compile often and we see the problem appearing. Here, with Org, we would just work in Org only, and publish once at the end. A bit more easy to be aware that some text may have pass away. As #+BIND works, I can imagine living quite honestly the way it currently is, but I let the others decide upon this. Best regards, Seb -- Sébastien Vauban ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode - Carsten ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: New beamer support
On Jan 7, 2010, at 3:39 PM, Darlan Cavalcante Moreira wrote: At last, I have a small feature request that would help organizing the information among the slides. Right now you can use Alt+up/down arrow to move a list item in a heading, but org does not allow passing beyond a heading limit. This makes sense in a normal org file and is very useful, but when writing a presentation with org this restriction can get into the way. This is not a big deal, but maybe others are also interested in this. I think that I cannot make this work in a good way. Alternatives: 1. cut and paste of subtrees `C-c C-x C-w' ... `C-y' 2. Demote the frame line, move it down, promote it again. - Carsten ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: New beamer support
I agree that it is useful to have an easy way to specify one or more options for every frame, but from the beamer manual I understand that these options where created for specific cases and IMHO org shouldn't include any frame option by default. About the fragile option, the beamer manual tells you when to use it, but doesn't mention any drawbacks of its use. I also tried searching for problems with the fragile option but I found nothing and therefore I do not know the implications of enabling the fragile option in every frame. However, if there is no drawbacks then I wonder why the beamer author didn't make it the default behavior. Maybe it is better to ask in a beamer mailing list the implications of setting this option for every frame. - Darlan Cavalcante Moreira At Thu, 07 Jan 2010 17:16:55 +0100, Sébastien Vauban wxhgmqzgw...@spammotel.com wrote: Hi Carsten and Darlan, Carsten Dominik wrote: On Jan 7, 2010, at 3:39 PM, Darlan Cavalcante Moreira wrote: Carsten Dominik wrote: On Jan 6, 2010, at 5:22 PM, Sébastien Vauban wrote: Carsten Dominik wrote: there is now a new option org-beamer-frame-default-options Though, wouldn't it be better to explicitly add something like: --8---cut here---start-8--- #+BEAMER_FRAME_EXTRA_OPTIONS: [allowframebreaks] --8---cut here---end---8--- Yes, that would make sense if it is a frequently used feature. I like to hesitate with introducing these special customizations until I am convinced that this is used reasonably often. Otherwise I would have to have 1000 of the special lines, approximately. Question to all: How likely is the use of a default option you'd want to have on *every* frame? The problem is similar to the `fragile' option. Either we can detect the overflow (and the automatically add the option only when needed), or we must add it everywhere in order to ensure we won't have text cut. It's a bit different from when we directly edit beamer files. We compile often and we see the problem appearing. Here, with Org, we would just work in Org only, and publish once at the end. A bit more easy to be aware that some text may have pass away. As #+BIND works, I can imagine living quite honestly the way it currently is, but I let the others decide upon this. I don't think org-mode should try to detect when to use any of the frame options in beamer. This could get into the way more then helping, specially the allowframebreaks option. I don't see what the problem could be of enabling (or having the possibility to enable) that option on every slide by default. In fact, the beamer manual tells you not to use the allowframebreaks option except for long bibliographies (well, it also tells you not to use long bibliographies) and I agree with this. Just read page 56 of the beamer manual. Makes (some) sense, yes. In a presentation you have to choose carefully what you will put in each slide and always leaving this to beamer with the allowframebreaks is not a good approach. Still, I don't really see which problem this would bring, even if that's not the purest manner of writing slides. BTW, yes, I saw one problem. There is some orphan title on the bottom of one page, and the contents on the top of the next one. Maybe, though, that can be easily fixed by `nobreaks' macros (either manual or automatic). In addition, I agree that when working in a presentation with org- mode you compile much less, but you should still compile sometimes to see if the slides are well designed. That's really the point. Contents vs Presentation. At least, my biggest problem is that I like to be warned somehow (but how?) that such a problem is occurring, that some slide's contents is just too big to stay on one page. I would quite not like to have to scan the full presentation, comparing the Org source and the beamer PDF in order to see if every line is in both. Don't forget we can author such a presentation with multiple persons working on the Org source, and that (as well) it's never always right or wrong: *changing of theme* brings fonts differences or margins *differences that can hide lines that were supposed to be visible*. I basically understand your point, but my objection is about having constantly to check the results for missing lines. I don't know if Carsten has plans to implement this, but a fast preview that exports and compiles only the current slide could be useful here. At last, I have a small feature request that would help organizing the information among the slides. Right now you can use Alt+up/down arrow to move a list item in a heading, but org does not allow passing beyond a heading limit. This makes sense in a normal org file and is very useful, but when writing a presentation with org this restriction can get into the way. This is not a big
Re: [Orgmode] Re: New beamer support
On Jan 7, 2010, at 7:03 PM, Darlan Cavalcante Moreira wrote: I agree that it is useful to have an easy way to specify one or more options for every frame, but from the beamer manual I understand that these options where created for specific cases and IMHO org shouldn't include any frame option by default. About the fragile option, the beamer manual tells you when to use it, but doesn't mention any drawbacks of its use. I also tried searching for problems with the fragile option but I found nothing and therefore I do not know the implications of enabling the fragile option in every frame. However, if there is no drawbacks then I wonder why the beamer author didn't make it the default behavior. Because it is slow - each frame source code has to be written to a file, then read back in. - Carsten Maybe it is better to ask in a beamer mailing list the implications of setting this option for every frame. - Darlan Cavalcante Moreira At Thu, 07 Jan 2010 17:16:55 +0100, Sébastien Vauban wxhgmqzgw...@spammotel.com wrote: Hi Carsten and Darlan, Carsten Dominik wrote: On Jan 7, 2010, at 3:39 PM, Darlan Cavalcante Moreira wrote: Carsten Dominik wrote: On Jan 6, 2010, at 5:22 PM, Sébastien Vauban wrote: Carsten Dominik wrote: there is now a new option org-beamer-frame-default-options Though, wouldn't it be better to explicitly add something like: --8---cut here---start- 8--- #+BEAMER_FRAME_EXTRA_OPTIONS: [allowframebreaks] --8---cut here---end--- 8--- Yes, that would make sense if it is a frequently used feature. I like to hesitate with introducing these special customizations until I am convinced that this is used reasonably often. Otherwise I would have to have 1000 of the special lines, approximately. Question to all: How likely is the use of a default option you'd want to have on *every* frame? The problem is similar to the `fragile' option. Either we can detect the overflow (and the automatically add the option only when needed), or we must add it everywhere in order to ensure we won't have text cut. It's a bit different from when we directly edit beamer files. We compile often and we see the problem appearing. Here, with Org, we would just work in Org only, and publish once at the end. A bit more easy to be aware that some text may have pass away. As #+BIND works, I can imagine living quite honestly the way it currently is, but I let the others decide upon this. I don't think org-mode should try to detect when to use any of the frame options in beamer. This could get into the way more then helping, specially the allowframebreaks option. I don't see what the problem could be of enabling (or having the possibility to enable) that option on every slide by default. In fact, the beamer manual tells you not to use the allowframebreaks option except for long bibliographies (well, it also tells you not to use long bibliographies) and I agree with this. Just read page 56 of the beamer manual. Makes (some) sense, yes. In a presentation you have to choose carefully what you will put in each slide and always leaving this to beamer with the allowframebreaks is not a good approach. Still, I don't really see which problem this would bring, even if that's not the purest manner of writing slides. BTW, yes, I saw one problem. There is some orphan title on the bottom of one page, and the contents on the top of the next one. Maybe, though, that can be easily fixed by `nobreaks' macros (either manual or automatic). In addition, I agree that when working in a presentation with org- mode you compile much less, but you should still compile sometimes to see if the slides are well designed. That's really the point. Contents vs Presentation. At least, my biggest problem is that I like to be warned somehow (but how?) that such a problem is occurring, that some slide's contents is just too big to stay on one page. I would quite not like to have to scan the full presentation, comparing the Org source and the beamer PDF in order to see if every line is in both. Don't forget we can author such a presentation with multiple persons working on the Org source, and that (as well) it's never always right or wrong: *changing of theme* brings fonts differences or margins *differences that can hide lines that were supposed to be visible*. I basically understand your point, but my objection is about having constantly to check the results for missing lines. I don't know if Carsten has plans to implement this, but a fast preview that exports and compiles only the current slide could be useful here. At last, I have a small feature request that would help organizing the information among the slides. Right now you can use Alt+up/down arrow to move a list item in a heading, but org does not allow passing beyond a heading
Re: [Orgmode] Re: New beamer support
On Jan 6, 2010, at 11:59 AM, Sébastien Vauban wrote:
Shouldn't `(@ \\alert{%s} nil)' be added by default?
Hmm, I am not sure, because \alert is of course not defined in normal
LaTeX export. And maybe it would even be better to redifine bold
emphasis as alert for beamer export?
- How to get frame breaks, without modifying the resulting TeX
file (by
adding a frame option `allowframebreaks' -- similar to the `fragile'
option)?
Just put [allowframebreaks] into the :BEAMER_envargs: property of
the node that becomes the frame.
That does work. Thanks.
However, couldn't we have that on by default on all nodes? For sure,
some
people won't remark some text is cut off in the output beamer
presentation,
when the option is not set.
I believe turning this on for all frames has drawbacks, like
loosing overlay capability?
However, I guess it does make sense to have a global variable to
set default options for frames, I guess. I'll put that on my list.
By the way, how are we supposed to add that property in the most
easiest
manner? I never really used column view, but I have troubles when
using it
here.
On the node where I want to add that property, I do:
- `C-c C-x C-c' to enter column view
- `right' (arrow) to go in the second column
- `e' to edit the property
... but I'm put in a tag selection menu... What am I doing wrong?
That happens at the BEAMER_env property and give you a way to
select the environment with a single key, for example `e b' for block.
If you move the cursor to the field for env args, e will give you a
prompt where you can edit.
- Carsten
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Re: [Orgmode] Re: New beamer support
Hi Sebastien,
there is now a new option org-beamer-frame-default-options, and the
automatically generated to will be wrapped into a frame with title.
- Carsten
On Jan 6, 2010, at 2:03 PM, Sébastien Vauban wrote:
Hi Eric, Christian, Carsten and all,
Eric S Fraga wrote:
At Wed, 06 Jan 2010 10:46:45 +0100, Sébastien Vauban wrote:
The few things I'm tackling right now are:
- How to get a TOC with a frame title, without having to add it
explicitly?
I think you need to add it explicitly with \tableofcontents? In
beamer, I
simply typically have
\begin{frame}beamer
\frametitle{Table of contents}
\tableofcontents
\end{frame}
I guess I wasn't clear...
If I use the option `toc' for the export:
--8---cut here---start-8---
#+OPTIONS: toc:t
--8---cut here---end---8---
then I get a slide with the table of contents. Automatically. The only
criticism I did is that there was no title to the generated frame.
Hence, the workaround was setting the `toc' option to `nil' and
adding such a
code by myself:
--8---cut here---start-8---
#+BEAMER: \frame{\frametitle{Outline}\tableofcontents}
--8---cut here---end---8---
But better (IMHO) would be that such a code gets inserted
automatically (with
a frame title set, for example, to `Outline') when the `toc' export
option is
set to `t', and when we're in a beamer class.
Is it better expressed?
- How to get the TOC repeated when changing of section, with the
new item
highlighted? See my manual essay ;-)
Again, beamer supports this easily so I would suggest simply adding
some
direct latex code at the start of your org file. The latex code I
use is:
\AtBeginSection[]
{
\begin{frame}
\frametitle{Topic}
\tableofcontents[currentsection]
\end{frame}
}
You could simply put this in one line with #+latex_header: as in
(untested):
#+latex_header: \AtBeginSection[]{ \begin{frame}
\frametitle{Topic}\tableofcontents[currentsection] \end{frame}}
Better is:
--8---cut here---start-8---
#+BEGIN_BEAMER
\AtBeginSection[] % Do nothing for \section*
{
\begin{frame}beamer
\frametitle{Outline}
\tableofcontents[currentsection]
\end{frame}
}
#+END_BEAMER
--8---cut here---end---8---
Thanks Eric and Christian for your input on this!
Best regards,
Seb
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Re: [Orgmode] Re: New beamer support
On Jan 6, 2010, at 2:35 PM, Sébastien Vauban wrote:
Hi Carsten,
Carsten Dominik wrote:
On Jan 6, 2010, at 11:59 AM, Sébastien Vauban wrote:
Shouldn't `(@ \\alert{%s} nil)' be added by default?
Hmm, I am not sure, because \alert is of course not defined in
normal LaTeX
export. And maybe it would even be better to redifine bold emphasis
as alert
for beamer export?
For me, bold and alert are 2 different beasts. Some beamer styles
even display
them differently (different colors, for example). Better would be
not to mix
them, IMHO.
- How to get frame breaks, without modifying the resulting TeX
file (by
adding a frame option `allowframebreaks' -- similar to the
`fragile'
option)?
Just put [allowframebreaks] into the :BEAMER_envargs: property of
the node that becomes the frame.
That does work. Thanks.
However, couldn't we have that on by default on all nodes? For
sure, some
people won't remark some text is cut off in the output beamer
presentation,
when the option is not set.
I believe turning this on for all frames has drawbacks, like
loosing overlay capability?
I'm not sure I understand the point but...
However, I guess it does make sense to have a global variable to
set default options for frames, I guess. I'll put that on my list.
OK. Thanks.
By the way, how are we supposed to add that property in the most
easiest
manner? I never really used column view, but I have troubles when
using it
here.
On the node where I want to add that property, I do:
- `C-c C-x C-c' to enter column view
- `right' (arrow) to go in the second column
- `e' to edit the property
... but I'm put in a tag selection menu... What am I doing wrong?
That happens at the BEAMER_env property and give you a way to
select the
environment with a single key, for example `e b' for block. If you
move the
cursor to the field for env args, e will give you a prompt where
you can
edit.
Whether in org-mode or in org-beamer-mode, when typing `e' on the
second
column, it opens the tag selection interface in the minibuffer. But,
here,
what I'm trying to add is a property, not a tag...?
Indeed you are changing the tag, but the property will change along
with it (check it!). The idea is that the property is *tracked* by
a tag, to make the current value constantly visible. I use the tag
interface just because it exists and is simple to use.
Pressing TAB allows me free edition, but what's inserted at the node
is a
tag...
Which will cause a change in the property as well, I believe. I know
it is confusing - but once you've got your head around this, it will be
very useful.
PS- An idea: wouldn't it be good (*iff* easily feasible) to load
org-beamer-mode when opening an Org file whose LaTeX class is beamer?
That could be done, but you can also set the startup option.
But yes, it is one more think to remember...
- Carsten
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Re: [Orgmode] Re: New beamer support
On Jan 6, 2010, at 3:23 PM, Carsten Dominik wrote: PS- An idea: wouldn't it be good (*iff* easily feasible) to load org-beamer-mode when opening an Org file whose LaTeX class is beamer? That could be done, but you can also set the startup option. But yes, it is one more think to remember... I remember now why I did it like this. 1. If the global LaTeX class is not beamer, you still want to be able to turn the mode on, because you might have a subtree that will be exported as beamer presentation 2. If you are not missing the `C-c C-b' key, you can just turn on org-beamer-mode in every org-mode by setting org-startup-with-beamer-mode. - Carsten ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: New beamer support
On Jan 6, 2010, at 5:22 PM, Sébastien Vauban wrote: Hi Carsten, Carsten Dominik wrote: there is now a new option org-beamer-frame-default-options When setting it into Emacs, great, it DOES WORK as expected! Though, I believe this is more a setting of the document itself, instead of one customization in my own `.emacs' file. I would rather like my colleagues to get the same output when compiling my document. I tried, then, the following: --8---cut here---start-8--- * COMMENT Setup # This is for the sake of Emacs. # Local Variables: # ispell-local-dictionary: en_US # org-beamer-frame-default-options: [allowframebreaks] # End: --8---cut here---end---8--- with no success, though. Maybe I would have to try with a `#+BIND'. #+BIND will do the trick, it was made just for this. Though, wouldn't it be better to explicitly add something like: --8---cut here---start-8--- #+BEAMER_FRAME_EXTRA_OPTIONS: [allowframebreaks] --8---cut here---end---8--- Yes, that would make sense if it is a frequently used feature. I like to hesitate with introducing these special customizations until I am convinced that this is used reasonably often. Otherwise I would have to have 1000 of the special lines, approximately. Question to all: How likely is the use of a default option you'd want to have on *every* frame? - Carsten ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: New beamer support
On Jan 6, 2010, at 4:35 PM, Sébastien Vauban wrote: Carsten, Carsten Dominik wrote: On Jan 6, 2010, at 3:23 PM, Carsten Dominik wrote: PS- An idea: wouldn't it be good (*iff* easily feasible) to load org-beamer-mode when opening an Org file whose LaTeX class is beamer? That could be done, but you can also set the startup option. But yes, it is one more think to remember... I remember now why I did it like this. 1. If the global LaTeX class is not beamer, you still want to be able to turn the mode on, because you might have a subtree that will be exported as beamer presentation Right. --8---cut here---start-8--- Org-Beamer minor mode (indicator Bm): Special support for editing Org-mode files made to export to beamer. --8---cut here---end---8--- Wouldn't it be better to rename the function to be called as `M-x org-beamer-minor-mode'. Many minor modes are called that way, even if a quick overview of the functions show that it does not seem to be enforced. No, I think putting minor into the name is a mistake. The only place where this makes sense is something like outline-minor-mode, i.e. where a major mode of the same name exists. - Carsten 2. If you are not missing the `C-c C-b' key, you can just turn on org-beamer-mode in every org-mode by setting org-startup-with-beamer-mode. Right. Not a problem. Thanks, Seb -- Sébastien Vauban ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode - Carsten ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: New beamer support
On Jan 6, 2010, at 4:47 PM, Sébastien Vauban wrote: Trying to add the property on the level-2 item named DB, as you can see in my lossage: --8---cut here---start-8--- M-x o r g - b e tab a m e r tab m o tab return M-x up return C-c C-x C-c right e b e e tab [ a l l w o backspace backspace o w f r a m e s backspace b r e a k s ] return q q tab tab tab tab tab down tab down tab up tab tab up tab tab C-h C-h l --8---cut here---end---8--- I end up with that change: --8---cut here---start-8--- * Current assets ** DB: [allowframebreaks]:B_block: :PROPERTIES: :END: *** Model --8---cut here---end---8--- Properties are empty. When not typing `e b', I just end up with: --8---cut here---start-8--- ** DB: [allowframebreaks]: *** Model --8---cut here---end---8--- No property block is created... I believe I have said several times that the second column is *not* the one for the options. The third is. - Carsten Maybe I still do something wrong? I know it is confusing - but once you've got your head around this, it will be very useful. As soon as I get this working, OK, yes, not a problem, I just have to know... Thanks, Seb -- Sébastien Vauban ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode - Carsten ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
