Re: Blog post
2023-12-14
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Christopher Dimech via Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists
> Sent: Friday, December 15, 2023 at 5:01 AM > From: "Eli Zaretskii" > To: "Christopher Dimech" > Cc: arne_...@web.de, m...@eshelyaron.com, Emacs-tangents@gnu.org > Subject: Re: Blog post > > > Cc: Eshel Yaron , Emacs-tangents@gnu.org > > Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2023 17:20:56 +0100 > > From: Christopher Dimech via Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions > > outside the scope of other > > Emacs mailing lists > > > > I put the emphasis on the maintainers themselves to eliminate chaos within > > their project. The latter could be the specific area where our opinions > > differ. > > Users typically focus upon specific details, whereas software designers > > focus on > > making everything work well together. From my experience, being a > > maintainer requires > > a higher level of concentration and control of the external. > > It is quite clear to me from what you wrote above that your mental > model and vision of maintainership of a project like Emacs are very > different from the reality, starting from what does it mean to be a > maintainer of such a project and what is its job description. > > Given that, your criticism is mostly off-mark. Yes, my vision of maintainership of any project is much different. --- via emacs-tangents mailing list (https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-tangents)
Re: Blog post
> Cc: Eshel Yaron , Emacs-tangents@gnu.org > Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2023 17:20:56 +0100 > From: Christopher Dimech via Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions > outside the scope of other > Emacs mailing lists > > I put the emphasis on the maintainers themselves to eliminate chaos within > their project. The latter could be the specific area where our opinions > differ. > Users typically focus upon specific details, whereas software designers focus > on > making everything work well together. From my experience, being a maintainer > requires > a higher level of concentration and control of the external. It is quite clear to me from what you wrote above that your mental model and vision of maintainership of a project like Emacs are very different from the reality, starting from what does it mean to be a maintainer of such a project and what is its job description. Given that, your criticism is mostly off-mark. --- via emacs-tangents mailing list (https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-tangents)
Re: Blog post
Christopher Dimech writes: >> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2023 at 9:29 PM >> From: "Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide" >> To: "Christopher Dimech" >> Cc: "Eshel Yaron" , emacs-de...@gnu.org >> Subject: Re: Blog post >> >> >> Christopher Dimech writes: >> >> > From your experience, have your rants been justified ? Introspection >> > of other people's rants should be considered part of the work. After >> > all, expletives towards demigods have occurred since time immemorial, >> > and will surely continue. >> >> Yes, they were totally justified — but usually not helpful. Most times >> they needlessly hurt people who then often stopped contributing. A >> friendly text may have helped to stay together and actually fix the >> problem to move forward as community. - Arne > > Nobody gets hurt. It is commonly a type of vengeance (a form of > retaliation) intended to dissuade contrarian views directed towards > the developers. I think there’s a misunderstanding here. When I ranted, my rants were justified, but my rants hurt people and that did not help. So not ranting but instead writing a friendly text would have been the better choice. Best wishes, Arne -- Unpolitisch sein heißt politisch sein, ohne es zu merken. draketo.de signature.asc Description: PGP signature --- via emacs-tangents mailing list (https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-tangents)
Re: Blog post
2023-12-14
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Christopher Dimech via Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists
> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2023 at 9:29 PM > From: "Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide" > To: "Christopher Dimech" > Cc: "Eshel Yaron" , emacs-de...@gnu.org > Subject: Re: Blog post > > > Christopher Dimech writes: > > > From your experience, have your rants been justified ? Introspection > > of other people's rants should be considered part of the work. After > > all, expletives towards demigods have occurred since time immemorial, > > and will surely continue. > > Yes, they were totally justified — but usually not helpful. Most times > they needlessly hurt people who then often stopped contributing. A > friendly text may have helped to stay together and actually fix the > problem to move forward as community. - Arne Nobody gets hurt. It is commonly a type of vengeance (a form of retaliation) intended to dissuade contrarian views directed towards the developers. The Gnu Project is built on the fundamental premise that software is for the benefit of its users, not solely its developers. This perspective emphasizes the importance of creating an inclusive and collaborative community where users can contribute, share ideas, and provide feedback without reprisals from developers - unlike what generally happens with Proprietary Software Developers. The "Information for Gnu Maintainers" states that when a developer receives a report, the maintainers have to keep in mind that such reports are crucial for our work - so always thank each person who sends a report. This is not to say that a considerate peaceful problem solving should not be the common way of approaching the developer team. Ultimately the job of the maintainers is to exercise their authority so they can focus upon improving the next version of the program. Stopping one's contribution rather than exercising one's authority is Conflict Avoidance that shows a Lack of Responsibility - a sign of failure. - Christopher Dimech Administrator General - Chilkat Design Build - Naiad Informatics - Gnu Project Society has become too quick to pass judgement and declare someone Persona Non-Grata, the most extreme form of censure a country can bestow. In a new era of destructive authoritarianism, I support Richard Stallman. Times of great crisis are also times of great opportunity. I call upon you to make this struggle yours as well ! https://www.gnu.org https://www.fsf.org/ --- via emacs-tangents mailing list (https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-tangents)
