[Emc-developers] Andy P.

[Gene Heskett]

goto my page in the sig, add "Mill-stf/gcode-etc" to the address line, 
and you should see the align.zip file. Click on it to dl it. Only a bit 
over 2k.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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[Emc-developers] message rejected

[Gene Heskett]

Andy, I tried to send your a copy 2k copy of align.zip and a 100k 
screenshot of how it looks, but some A.H. M$ server claimed it was 
black-listed and would not be delivered.

Sometimes the net sucks.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
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Re: [Emc-developers] What to do about the docs?

[Jérémie Tarot]

Hey Andy,

Thank you for yours answers

Le dim. 22 nov. 2020 à 18:11, andy pugh  a écrit :

> I moved the docs into a sub-directory.
>

Let's say that's a start ;-)


I have done some work to enable multilingual documentation in .comp
> files, and translated manually-written manpages (should) be
> automatically handled.
> I seem to have forgotten to merge the multilingual halcompile changes.
>
> https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/commit/5dc2ef3ce76942a66d2b39d6e2542cb8ea51253c


That's a nice step forward for sure !
Nevertheless, after diving into this yesterday and tonight, I think that
being able to use tools such as OmegaT, POedit and Crowdin (
https://support.crowdin.com/translation-process-overview/, playing at
setting this up to see how that really [could] work:
https://crowdin.com/project/linuxcnc) would really help translators work
and maybe build a team for this task...
To better benefit these, it seems preferable that l10n strings be stored in
dedicated files rather than embedded in source files. So could be that
adding gettext support to comps could be more better suited...

Sorry, I don't understand what you mean about man pages :/

> - Should the mixed language hierarchy be kept or should language specific
> > subdirectories/hierarchies be built ? Too new to this to grasp the
> > pros/cons of each organisation.
>
> Possibly an issue to worry about later?
>

... well, at first sight, it seems that tools mentioned above all tend to
like the one directory per language organization, like we already have for
man pages.

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Re: [Emc-developers] What to do about the docs?

[andy pugh]

On Sat, 21 Nov 2020 at 13:29, Jérémie Tarot  wrote:

> Configuration
> pncconf
> stepconf
> halscope ?
> (other power user tools I don't kow yet ?)

A launcher for Halscope (and also Halshow and Halmeter) is a good
idea. I don't know why it has typically been seen as the job of the
GUI to offer those.

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designed for the especial use of mechanical geniuses, daredevils and
lunatics."
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Re: [Emc-developers] What to do about the docs?

[andy pugh]

On Sat, 21 Nov 2020 at 13:29, Jérémie Tarot  wrote:

> It surely can be better organized. I'd personally rather restructure all
> its content and promote it to top level while demoting all the standard
> entries to some kind of "System" entry.

I moved the docs into a sub-directory.

> 1000% ! Can have all the pages you need opened in any number of
> tabs/windows which is a must. Only point where PDFs may win is for
> searches. Heaven would be a small embedded, offline, search engine...
> Doesn't Debian already has a package available for this [1]? May "only"
> need to strip others packages docs out of the index ?

That's an interesting possibility to investigate for the future.

> The French docs are very out of date,

> To say the least ! That's what leads me here in the first place with the
> will to make this change :)
> Already forked and locally cloned the project to wet my toes before
> posting. First thoughts are these:
> - French translation, well, most certainly easier and faster to dump it all
> and restart from scratch (all files have to be renamed, missing files, etc)

I have done some work to enable multilingual documentation in .comp
files, and translated manually-written manpages (should) be
automatically handled.
I seem to have forgotten to merge the multilingual halcompile changes.
https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/commit/5dc2ef3ce76942a66d2b39d6e2542cb8ea51253c

> - Should the mixed language hierarchy be kept or should language specific
> subdirectories/hierarchies be built ? Too new to this to grasp the
> pros/cons of each organisation.

Possibly an issue to worry about later?

-- 
atp
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designed for the especial use of mechanical geniuses, daredevils and
lunatics."
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Re: [Emc-developers] 8.1 planning.

[andy pugh]

On Sun, 22 Nov 2020 at 14:28, Bojan Topalovski <3dcnci...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> For me (and perhaps for others) will be good if you include QT designer
> with included linuxcnc widget's.

A new LinuxCNC release does not necessarily require a new ISO file.
I might well re-spin the .iso, but the question was really about the
actual LinuxCNC code

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designed for the especial use of mechanical geniuses, daredevils and
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Re: [Emc-developers] Offline Sphinx HTML docs in project

[John]

Interesting errors, not sure what to make of them. I'll have to do a 
pull and see what I get.


We do have one html that gets installed in /usr/share/doc/linuxcnc/ so 
not sure why we can't have the rest of the html documents in there.


JT

On 11/21/20 6:10 PM, Chris Morley wrote:

John:

here was the builtbot error:
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/3303.dsc-stretch-rtpreempt/builds/1819/steps/shell/logs/stdio

Here is Jim's repo of the docs:
https://github.com/persei802/Documentation
I originally added the whole extracted folder to linuxcnc.

I don't know much about Sphinx but it seems to be the lintain doesn't like the 
javascript in the _static folder.
Without the folder the docs don't display as nicely maybe other things don't 
work - I'm just researching the problem now.

I find HTML docs much handier - I wish we had the option to have them offline.
if they are available offline then programs (like qtdragon) can reliably 
reference them.

Thanks
Chris


From: John 
Sent: November 21, 2020 11:32 PM
To: emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net 
Subject: Re: [Emc-developers] Offline Sphinx HTML docs in project

I use Sphinx all the time but usually just build the HTML and upload
that from my PC. We have hmm one HTML file IIRC that is not built by the
buildbot the quick reference.

AFAIK, to have HTML offline you need to build a RIP.

Did Jim just have the .rst files? Is that what broke the buildbot?

JT

On 11/21/20 5:05 PM, Chris Morley wrote:

First off - sorry - I didn't realize the added docs to qtdragon broke some 
linuxcnc packages.

Jim, the author of qtdragon made these docs so they could be used while not 
connected to the net and used Sphinx (I assume) so they look very nice.
I wonder if someone could point me in the right direction to include them in a 
non breaky-breaky way?
If we can't use Sphinx, then I suppose I could add the raw HTML file themselves.
It's my understanding they we don't have any HTML docs available offline, 
unless one compiles them - Do I understand that right?

Thanks,
Chris

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Re: [Emc-developers] 8.1 planning.

[Bojan Topalovski]

For me (and perhaps for others) will be good if you include QT designer
with included linuxcnc widget's.
Thankss

On Sun, Nov 22, 2020, 15:15 Peter C. Wallace  wrote:

> On Sun, 22 Nov 2020, andy pugh wrote:
>
> > Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2020 12:16:52 +
> > From: andy pugh 
> > Reply-To: EMC developers 
> > To: EMC developers 
> > Subject: [Emc-developers] 8.1 planning.
> >
> > I am thinking that it is time for 8.1 to release some bug fixes and
> support for some Mesa cards that were missed out.
> >
> >Does anyone have anything in the pipeline that they would like to see
> included?
> >
> >--
> >atp
> >"A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is
> >designed for the especial use of mechanical geniuses, daredevils and
> >lunatics."
> >яя George Fitch, Atlanta Constitution Newspaper, 1912
>
>
> Not a LinuxCNC thing but I would drop the disfunctional wicd in favor of
> netmanager
>
>
> Peter Wallace
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Re: [Emc-developers] 8.1 planning.

[Peter C. Wallace]

On Sun, 22 Nov 2020, andy pugh wrote:


Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2020 12:16:52 +
From: andy pugh 
Reply-To: EMC developers 
To: EMC developers 
Subject: [Emc-developers] 8.1 planning.

I am thinking that it is time for 8.1 to release some bug fixes and

support for some Mesa cards that were missed out.


Does anyone have anything in the pipeline that they would like to see included?

--
atp
"A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is
designed for the especial use of mechanical geniuses, daredevils and
lunatics."
?? George Fitch, Atlanta Constitution Newspaper, 1912



Not a LinuxCNC thing but I would drop the disfunctional wicd in favor of 
netmanager



Peter Wallace
Mesa Electronics
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Re: [Emc-developers] 8.1 planning.

[andy pugh]

On Sun, 22 Nov 2020 at 13:19, Gene Heskett  wrote:

> It would be nice if the align package was included on the iso. Some may
> not be aware that its out there.

Including me. Can you elaborate?

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Re: [Emc-developers] 8.1 planning.

[Gene Heskett]

On Sunday 22 November 2020 07:16:52 andy pugh wrote:

> I am thinking that it is time for 8.1 to release some bug fixes and
> support for some Mesa cards that were missed out.
>
> Does anyone have anything in the pipeline that they would like to see
> included?

It would be nice if the align package was included on the iso. Some may 
not be aware that its out there. And it can be handy.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
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 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
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[Emc-developers] 8.1 planning.

[andy pugh]

I am thinking that it is time for 8.1 to release some bug fixes and
support for some Mesa cards that were missed out.

Does anyone have anything in the pipeline that they would like to see included?

-- 
atp
"A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is
designed for the especial use of mechanical geniuses, daredevils and
lunatics."
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