Re: CE Marking in Canada???
Another possible explanation is that Canada still does field inspections by the local Hydro or CSA office. It is possible to submit information, such as test reports, construction data, ect. ask the local Engineer to review the product and sell product into the country. This works well especially when the products are low volume and fall under harmonized standards such as 950, or 1010. Ray Russell ray_russ...@leco.com __ Reply Separator _ Subject: CE Marking in Canada??? Author: "Egon H. Varju" at INTERNET List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date:2/18/98 8:00 PM > One of our suppliers has told us that they are allowed to ship > products into Canada using the CE mark in-lieu of the normal approval > marks such as CSA, cUL, etc. > Does anyone have any information on this? Sounds like a case of acute wishful thinking. Though certainly a future possibility, alas, at this time the CE mark is only applicable to (some) European countries. Canadian regulations require certification to Canadian standards (usually CSA standards). Regards, Egon Varju
Re: Seminars:EMC/EMI/ESDRelated to Corrosion and Material Reliability Issues
-Original Message- From: Richard Haynes To: emc-p...@ieee.org ; t...@world.std.com ; e-saf...@dorado.crpht.lu Cc: Michael J Azar ; Tom Tortoriello ; Matejic, Mirko ; Bob Alongi Date: Tuesday, February 03, 1998 12:53 PM Subject: Seminars:EMC/EMI/ESDRelated to Corrosion and Material Reliability Issues Greetings, Presentations on the above named subject matter are scheduled for various times through this year in California, New Jersey, Mass. and Ga. If interested in details, please contact by private e-mail to: NJ: Thomas Tortoriello, 732-842-8900, nmius...@aol.com March 10 & 12, May 26&28 CA: Michael Azar, 650-988-6647, mja...@emc-turntech.com March 17 & 19, June 9 & 11, Sept 8 & 11, Nov. 10 & 12 Mass: May 6th, Mirko Matejic, Pres. IEEE EMC NE, 508-549-3185, mmate...@foxcorro.com Mass: May 16th, Bob Alongi, IEEE Boston, 617-890-5290, sec.bos...@ieee.org Ga: Atlanta, April 8, Madhaven Swaninathan, manhavan.swaninat...@ee.gatech.edu 1/2 and 1 day Courses are planned.
Antenna Correlation
I think there may be a little confusion here, let me see if I can clear it up. In your e-mail you refer to calibration of a site. My original message was related to measurement technique for radiated emissions measurements. This is a separate issue from site attenuation measurements which are often called site calibrations. When making measurements to CFR 47, Part 15, and using ANSI C63.4-1992 there are 2 requirements that conflict for measurements at lower frequencies. The first allows broadband antenna use as long as the results can be correlated to a 1/2 wave tuned dipole. The second requires a 1 to 4 meter height scan. At lower frequencies where the tuned length of the dipole exceeds that which would allow use of a 1 meter lower limit a conflict occurs as the dipole cannot go down to 1 meter. When broadband antennas are used at these lower frequencies, and a 1 meter lower limit is utilized, the result cannot be correlated to the dipole. The only way to establish the required correlation is to adjust the lower limit of the height scan range to that which would be utilized by a dipole. The key here is that both antenna must be electrically centered near the same elevation. This will typically produce a lower measured level as you noted, however I do not believe this will cause the regulatory evaluation problems as you pointed out. Since the date which the original message was posted I had a detailed conversation with Joe McNulte at the FCC's Office of Engineering and Technology. He concurred with the need to establish correlation and restrict the height scan of broadband antennas accordingly. Keep in mind there is an underlying premise to the FCC/ANSI standards that everything should correlate back to a predictable set of conditions (measurements on an OATS with dipole antennas). You are allowed to test in an anechoic chamber of GTEM as long as you can correlate your results to an OATS, you can use broadband antennas as long as you can correlate your results to 1/2 wave tuned dipoles. When testing to the CISPR family of documents (including the harmonized versions) an 80 MHz tuned dipole is called out for testing at frequencies 80 MHz of below. Again a broadband antenna is allowed but now the results must be correlated to the 80 MHz tuned dipole at these frequencies. Using a 80 MHz tuned dipole the need to restrict the lower limit of the height scan is not required. As with the 1/2 wave tuned dipole I have found the best correlation occurs when the electrical centers of the antennas are near the same elevation. Tom Donnelly EMC Engineer Lucent Technologies tdonne...@lucent.com
RE: CE Marking in Canada???
Just to add to Egon's reply, Canadian regulations require certification by an SCC accredited body, so self-declaration is out and the use of non-CSA standards is out (for the most part). Regards, Jim Eichner Statpower Technologies Corporation jeich...@statpower.com http://www.statpower.com Any opinions expressed are those of my invisible friend, who really exists. Honest. > -Original Message- > From: Egon H. Varju [SMTP:eva...@compuserve.com] > Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 1998 9:21 PM > To: EMC-PSTC > Subject: CE Marking in Canada??? > > > One of our suppliers has told us that they are allowed to ship > > products into Canada using the CE mark in-lieu of the normal > approval > > marks such as CSA, cUL, etc. > > > Does anyone have any information on this? > > Sounds like a case of acute wishful thinking. Though certainly a > future > possibility, alas, at this time the CE mark is only applicable to > (some) > European countries. > > Canadian regulations require certification to Canadian standards > (usually > CSA standards). > > Regards, > > Egon Varju
What CE marks are required for what products?
How can a person determine what products need CE marks, and to what directives? Pointers to guidance documents please. Example: We make medical devices. But of course, we also sell wall brackets, carts, tote bags, interconnect cables, printer paper, batteries and chargers, electrodes and sensors, etc... Which of them need CE marks, and to what directives? I am familiar with the scopes of the Medical Device Directive, the EMC directive, the Low Voltage directive and a couple others. It's what I don't know that can bite me. ___ Heber Farnsworth, P.E. Physio-Control Corp, Seattle, USA
What do you want to learn about safety?
Hello from San Diego (between storms): Raymond Li asks: > In safety testing field, many engineers learn the knowledge and skill on > the job. Is there any formal training/study in existence in the world? CONTENT. If there was a formal training or course of study available, What do you want to learn about safety testing? What are the topics that should be covered? Should safety standards requirements be explained? If so, provide as many examples as you can of requirements that need to be further explained. Should submittal processes be explained? Should conflict resolution be included? Should the basis for the requirement be explained? If so, provide as many examples as you can of requirements where the basis needs to be explained. What do you want to know about testing products for safety? What tests need explanations? What do YOU need to know about product safety? SOURCE. If there were training materials available, what is the best way for you to use them? One or two-day seminar? Programmed learning? Book? Web resource? Formal course work at a technical college? Correspondence course? Annual or bi-annual national or international technical conference? Weekly evening sessions? Would you be willing to travel to attend a short course or conference? Would your company pay your travel and course expenses? Can you get away from your work for several days for the purpose of training? Would you be willing to attend one or more 1- 2- or 3-hour evening sessions? On your own time? How much would you or your company be willing to pay for a course? Or, putting it another way, at what cost would you seriously consider not going? How much time are you willing to put into studying? Do you attend your local PSTC (or equivalent) chapter meetings? Regularly? Sometimes? Hardly ever? Why or why not? Do these meetings provide useful information that you can use in your job? Would you prefer a course offered by a school or the IEEE to one offered by a "consultant"? If so, why? I agree that there is a need for training in the field of product safety. I'm not at all sure that the training that is currently available answers the needs of the safety professional. So, your answers to these questions would be helpful to those of us who have prepared courses. Please reply to the group. Or, you can reply to me privately if you prefer. Best regards, Rich - Richard Nute Quality Department Hewlett-Packard Company Product Regulations Group San Diego Division (SDD) Tel : 619 655 3329 16399 West Bernardo Drive FAX : 619 655 4979 San Diego, California 92127 e-mail: ri...@sdd.hp.com -
RE: CE Marking in Canada???
Doesn't sound right to me...the CE mark is, (at least for the LVD), a self-declaration. I believe Canandian codes for the most part dictate testing and approvals by a lab such as CSA or UL. As this is not necessarily required for CE marking, what your supplier says does not seem to make sense?? Mel Pedersen Midcom, Inc. Homologations Engineer Phone: (605) 882-8535 mpeder...@midcom.anza.com Fax: (605) 886-6752 -- From: MartinJP[SMTP:marti...@perkin-elmer.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 1998 2:51 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject:CE Marking in Canada??? One of our suppliers has told us that they are allowed to ship products into Canada using the CE mark in-lieu of the normal approval marks such as CSA, cUL, etc. Does anyone have any information on this? Thanks Joe Martin EMC/Product Safety Engineer P.E. Applied Biosystems marti...@perkin-elmer.com
CE Marking in Canada???
> One of our suppliers has told us that they are allowed to ship > products into Canada using the CE mark in-lieu of the normal approval > marks such as CSA, cUL, etc. > Does anyone have any information on this? Sounds like a case of acute wishful thinking. Though certainly a future possibility, alas, at this time the CE mark is only applicable to (some) European countries. Canadian regulations require certification to Canadian standards (usually CSA standards). Regards, Egon Varju
Product Safety Training...
PSNet It is true that most of us in the PS arena have grown primarily from OJT (on-the-job-training) and the school of hard knocks... What we do is not magic, however, and is soundly based upon well founded principles. This is formally known as System Safety and has been formalized since the end of WWII in the US... The UofCal system in LA has been a leader in this effort as it suported the aerospace industry there. The UofWisc - Madison has the largest group of training seminars that are offered on an ongoing basis to practicing engineers... Several courses - Establishing and Implementing the Product Safety Program; Training the Expert Witness; and Obtaining that CE marking are being offered this week and will be repeated in a few months... Further, most test houses offer training to meet specific requirements (e.g. UL training for UL 1950, etc)... Plus many individuals, including myself, offer training as part of our effort to help companies meet requirements on a worldwide basis... Feel free to ask about my 2-day CE marking jump-start training for companies; or about my product safety basic training program... So, there is hope in getting training in the PS arena... Look around, get informed as to the choices and pick the opportunity that best fits your current level of experience as well as your company need... Others will, I'm sure respond to this request... hopefully this is not too blatent an advert for this forum... - - - - - Peter E Perkins Principal Product Safety Consultant Tigard, ORe 97281-3427 +1/503/452-1201 phone/fax p.perk...@ieee.org email visit our website: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/peperkins - - - - -
Seminar Announcement
I got the word that this is OK and not out of line - I stand corrected or at least adjusted. -- Chris Kendall is presenting two EMC design seminars in Hillsboro, Oregon next month . . . CORE EMC Design I - March 23-24 CORE EMC Design II (Workshop) - March 25 More Info? Call me or visit http://www.ckc.com. Todd Robinson Marketing Manager CKC Laboratories, Inc. 800-500-4362 http://www.ckc.com
CE Marking in Canada???
One of our suppliers has told us that they are allowed to ship products into Canada using the CE mark in-lieu of the normal approval marks such as CSA, cUL, etc. Does anyone have any information on this? Thanks Joe Martin EMC/Product Safety Engineer P.E. Applied Biosystems marti...@perkin-elmer.com
RE: Study on Safety Testing against International/National Standards
Hello Raymond: ICC, BABT, UL, etc. all put on seminars. For example, I attended a UL 1950 conference that was very good. It lasted two days. ICC has one coming up in April. That was also very good, but covers Safety/Telecom/and EMC all in one two day conference. It does not very much into the nitty gritty of the standards as much as upcoming changes, and approvals processes for various markets worldwide. They do talk about common approvals blunders. I went to a very good BABT conference of the same nature a few years ago also. For safety training, I suggest you attend a UL seminar. You don't do any hands on testing, but they will make very good basic understanding of the standard, walking you through the basic concepts and rational behind the requirements. Mel Pedersen Midcom, Inc. Homologations Engineer Phone: (605) 882-8535 mpeder...@midcom.anza.com Fax: (605) 886-6752 -- From: Raymond Li[SMTP:rldxa...@hk.super.net] Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 1998 7:59 AM To: EMC-PSTC Subject:Study on Safety Testing against International/National Standards In safety testing field, many engineers learn the knowledge and skill on the job. Is there any formal training/study in existence in the world? Regards, Raymond Li
