Re: Servicing and repairs
Brian: As a comment I would say that the liability to meet EU approval ends when the product is sold and ownership is transferred. That's the way it happens with consumer goods in Canada, in spite of the fact there is CSA approval required on the original product. Compliments of the Season Ralph Cameron EMC Consultant and Suppression of Consumer Electronic Equipment (After Sale). - Original Message - From: "Brian Harlowe" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 1999 9:04 AM Subject: Servicing and repairs > > Traditionally my company has encouraged it's users to carry out a > limited amount of servicing and repair on our Electronic units. > > Under the EU Safety legislation I know this is now a No No. > > I am a little bit of a lone voice crying in the wilderness as far as > our management is concerned. > > Can any one out there quote me any instances or cases that I can use > to drive home the point with our management > > A happy Christmas to you fellow compliance people and if we survive > the Y2K business. Good luck in the new century and may this > newsgroup continue to prosper > > Best Regards > > Brian Harlowe > * opinions expressed here are personal and in no way reflect the position of VG Scientific > > - > This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. > To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org > with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the > quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, > jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or > roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). > > > - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Servicing and repairs
Traditionally my company has encouraged it's users to carry out a limited amount of servicing and repair on our Electronic units. Under the EU Safety legislation I know this is now a No No. I am a little bit of a lone voice crying in the wilderness as far as our management is concerned. Can any one out there quote me any instances or cases that I can use to drive home the point with our management A happy Christmas to you fellow compliance people and if we survive the Y2K business. Good luck in the new century and may this newsgroup continue to prosper Best Regards Brian Harlowe * opinions expressed here are personal and in no way reflect the position of VG Scientific - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Re: EN60204-1:1998 Title Published in the OJ Yet?
The new version is not yet listed in the semi-official EU list at: http://europa.eu.int/comm/dg03/directs/dg3b/newapproa/eurstd/harmstds/reflist/machines.html which was last updated on 6 Nov this year. The page above this one, which lists all the New Approach Directives, and has links to their text and applicable harmonised standards with issues and withdrawal dates, is about the most useful webpage in Europe!! See http://europa.eu.int/comm/dg03/directs/dg3b/newapproa/eurstd/harmstds/reflist.html Roger miksher...@aol.com on 20/12/99 15:57:02 Please respond to miksher...@aol.com To: emc-p...@ieee.org cc:(bcc: Roger Viles/PLY/Global) Subject: EN60204-1:1998 Title Published in the OJ Yet? Hey folks -- Can anyone tell me if EN 60204-1:1998 has been published in the OJ yet in conjunction with the Machinery Directive? (I've got copies of EN 60204-1:1992 and IEC 60204-1-1997; just wondering where the EU is on officially recognizing the latest version...) thanks! Mike Sherman FSI International msher...@fsi-intl.com - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
EMF Struggles Around The World
Hello. Thought you'd like it: http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/bridlewood-emfinfo/WORLD.HTM David <>
Re: Ground lugs
Lacey,Scott wrote: > > James, > Most equipment today uses crimp-on ring terminals, secured to a ground stud > using a star washer and hex nut. The ground wire from the power inlet goes > on first, and other safety grounds are stacked on top, each with its own > star washer and nut. I have never had agency approval problems with this > type of construction. You must use a "double crimp" ring terminal, one that > grips the wire insulation securely. Many years ago when I worked for a different company we used the crimp terminal and star washer approach. We fell foul of the requirement that to remove the earth connection 'requires the use of a tool'. I found that the crimp part gave me sufficient grip to rotate the ring terminal thereby undoing the nut! We solved the problem by placing the stud close to a surface perpendicular to the one in which the stud was fixed. -- Regards Dave Instone. Compliance Engineer Test Systems, MP24/22 Xyratex, Langstone Rd., Havant, Hampshire, P09 1SA, UK. Tel: +44 (0)23-92-496862 (direct line) Fax: +44 (0)23-92-499315 http://www.xyratex.com Tel: +44 (0)23-92-486363 - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
RE: Ground lugs
James: Try the Eurostrips (series TS and TSF) from Altech, and specify their "-wp" option, which adds a wire protector between the set-screw and the wire. They are available in a wide range of sizes with easy mounting and all European and North American approvals that matter. Altech is at (908) 806-9400 according to my old catalogue, which doesn't give any internet or e-mail info. There are clones available "off shore" too. Regards, Jim Eichner Sr. Regulatory Compliance Engineer Xantrex Technologies Corporation jim.eich...@xantrex.com http://www.statpower.com (Statpower and Xantrex recently merged) > phone:(604) 420-4820 ext. 2162 > fax: (604) 420-1591 Any opinions expressed are those of my invisible friend, who really exists. Honest. > -Original Message- > From: goedd...@sensormatic.com [SMTP:goedd...@sensormatic.com] > Sent: Friday, December 17, 1999 11:09 AM > To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org > Subject: Ground lugs > > > Happy Holidays group, > > In getting agency approval on our I.T.E. product, the safety ground > terminal > has come into question. > When hard wiring a product, Para. 3.3.7 indicates that the conductor is to > be clamped between metal surfaces, and the terminal shall not damage the > conductor. This has been interpreted as the terminal must have a metal > plate > that clamps down on the conductor, and no rotational stresses from the > screw > are applied to the conductor. > > In Europe, I understand that a rail terminal block, where one of the > terminals is shorted to a rail, is generally used, and accepted, but > somewhat costly. There may also be alternatives, but we haven't found an > off > the shelf one yet. > > I am looking for a grounding terminal that accepts #14-#18 AWG wire, has a > clamping plate, is tin plated, and has a mount or hole for direct > connection > to a chassis. > > Since this has been so difficult a component to find, we had one designed. > Now my question is, "How is everyone else dealing with this ground lug > requirement? Is there a common component available that meets these specs? > The ground lugs in common use in the electrical industry do not have the > plate, and are copper or copper alloy. > > Thank you for your assistance. > > James Goedderz > Sensormatic > > - > This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. > To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org > with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the > quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, > jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or > roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). > - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
RE: TCF & DOC
OK, so this time I'll really attach it. http://europa.eu.int/comm/dg03/publicat/guides/emcgen.pdf Best Regards, Barbara -Original Message- From: Barbara Judge Sent: Monday, December 20, 1999 7:17 PM To: 'wo...@sensormatic.com'; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: TCF & DOC Richard, Attached please find a URL for the Guidelines on Applying the EMC Directive. On page 44, you will find the components of a TCF. I trust that this will be of help. Best Regards, Barbara -Original Message- From: wo...@sensormatic.com [mailto:wo...@sensormatic.com] Sent: Monday, December 20, 1999 5:22 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: TCF & DOC On all of our previous DoCs, we have declared compliance using harmonized standards. However, we now have a set of products where some harmonized standards exist and some do not. Therefore, we will use a Technical Construction File is used to support compliance with the particular essential requirements not covered by harmonized standards. What additional statements and information should appear on the DoC to support compliance by the TCF route for only some of the essential requirements? Richard Woods - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
RE: TCF & DOC
Richard, Attached please find a URL for the Guidelines on Applying the EMC Directive. On page 44, you will find the components of a TCF. I trust that this will be of help. Best Regards, Barbara -Original Message- From: wo...@sensormatic.com [mailto:wo...@sensormatic.com] Sent: Monday, December 20, 1999 5:22 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: TCF & DOC On all of our previous DoCs, we have declared compliance using harmonized standards. However, we now have a set of products where some harmonized standards exist and some do not. Therefore, we will use a Technical Construction File is used to support compliance with the particular essential requirements not covered by harmonized standards. What additional statements and information should appear on the DoC to support compliance by the TCF route for only some of the essential requirements? Richard Woods - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
RE: TCF & DOC
How about further simplification by referring to 89/336/EEC, Article 10.2 in the "Application of Council Directives" section. It is not required to refer to a Competent Body but you still have to list all relevant "Standards to which conformity is declared" for Safety and Telecom, if applicable. It is appropriate to refer to the TCF Number and date under EMC in this Section. Best Regards, Vitaly Gorodetsky > -Original Message- > From: Jim Hulbert [SMTP:hulbe...@pb.com] > Sent: Monday, December 20, 1999 7:22 AM > To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org > Subject: Re: TCF & DOC > > > > > The DOC should include "reference to the standards" used to determine > compliance. However, a TCF by definition means you are not declaring > compliance via the standards route. Rather, compliance is declared after > assembling a technical construction file and having it assessed by a > competent > body. What we do in that case on the DOC is reference the TCF title and > number > along with the name and address of the competent body that assessed the > TCF. > > Jim Hulbert > Senior Engineer - EMC > Pitney Bowes > > > > > > wo...@sensormatic.com on 12/20/99 08:21:33 AM > > Please respond to wo...@sensormatic.com > > To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org > cc:(bcc: Jim Hulbert/MSD/US/PBI) > > Subject: TCF & DOC > > > > > > On all of our previous DoCs, we have declared compliance using harmonized > standards. However, we now have a set of products where some harmonized > standards exist and some do not. Therefore, we will use a Technical > Construction File is used to support compliance with the particular > essential requirements not covered by harmonized standards. What > additional > statements and information should appear on the DoC to support compliance > by > the TCF route for only some of the essential requirements? > > Richard Woods > > - > This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. > To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org > with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the > quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, > jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or > roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). > > > > > > > > > > - > This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. > To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org > with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the > quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, > jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or > roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). > - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
