A very nice game
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RE: A very nice game
One more thing I forgot to mention, that may be useful. Pegasus (the email program I use at home) has a very nice Selective Download feature, that allows you to review what is on your server BEFORE downloading it. Thus, you can screen and delete (at the source!!) all suspicious messages or advertisements, without ever downloading them. When I had a problem with some idiot who felt compelled to email me 300 to 500K file attachments some time ago, as well as a group of people whose Outlook was emailing me virus attachments on a daily basis, this feature was really quite handy. Pegasus is available free at www.pmail.com Bob Wilson TIR Systems Ltd. Vancouver. -Original Message- From: Robert Wilson Sent: April 24, 2002 11:37 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: A very nice game All of which makes one wonder why one would ever use IE as a mail reader! Rather like using a wrench as a hammer; sure, it can be made to work ...but why? Personally, I use Outlook at work (only because I have to). But at home, I use Pegasus which I feel is the best email program going, and it is free for the download. Bob Wilson TIR Systems Ltd. Vancouver. -Original Message- From: Douglas C. Smith [mailto:d...@emcesd.com] Sent: April 24, 2002 10:36 AM To: Robert Wilson Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re: A very nice game Robert, You do not have to open the attachment on this one at all if you have IE! Just preview or open the message. During virus outbreaks, like this one, I use a great webmail reader mail2web.com to preview my mail before downloading it. Doug Robert Wilson wrote: In spite of the attachment having been removed by the system, it was pretty darned obvious what this must have been. It always amazes me that people are foolish (stupid?) enough to open attachments to obviously suspicious emails like this one, that are from people they don't know, and subjects that make no sense. Bob Wilson TIR Systems Ltd. Vancouver. -Original Message- From: Bill Ellingford [mailto:bill.ellingf...@motion-media.com] Sent: April 24, 2002 4:37 AM To: 'jmw'; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: A very nice game Importance: High URGENT Please be aware that the above E-mail to the EMC group contained a virus. Fortunately our system removed it from the message. Bill Ellingford -Original Message- From: jmw [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: 24 April 2002 22:59 To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: A very nice game -- Virus Warning Message (on gemini2) setup.exe is removed from here because it contains a virus. - * --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list -- --- ___ _ Doug Smith \ / ) P.O. Box 1457 = Los Gatos, CA 95031-1457 _ / \ / \ _ TEL/FAX: 408-356-4186/358-3799 / /\ \ ] / /\ \ Mobile: 408-858-4528 | q-( ) | o |Email: d...@dsmith.org \ _ /]\ _ / Website: http://www.dsmith.org --- --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line:
Re: A very nice game (an example)
For those interested in how to track down something like this, take a look at the header information. You'l see a bunch of Received: xx lines. In this case there were 6 of them in the email I received. To start with the first received, go to the *bottom* one. That's where this post first entered the net but isn't necessarily the originating point of the email. To cross check this, also take a look at the From: line. I get Received: (from daemon@localhost) by ruebert.ieee.org (Switch-2.1.0/Switch-2.1.0) id g3O9LbE23259 for emc-pstc-resent; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 05:21:37 -0400 (EDT) From: jmw j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk Now, take a look at the Message-Id: line further down. I get Message-Id: 20020424215907.d25ca22...@coer.zju.edu.cn This one is little more difficult for some hackers to hide. We can see there's some discrepancies in the domain name. Notably coer.zju.edu.cn and jmwa.demon.co.uk To start tracking this down, I use several websites for searching. One is Amnesi at http://www.amnesi.com/ The other is DNS411 at http://www.dns411.com/ The Amnesi one is very powerful. Searching under coer.zju.edu.cn, we find that it crosses to the IP address 210.32.156.246 The people hosting that domain name is is Zhejiang University at Hangzhou, Zhejiang 310027, China. They cover IP addresses 210.32.128.0 to 210.32.159.255 If we apply a www in front of the coer.zju.edu.cn, we (surprise! surprise!) end up at a Chinese firm titled Centre for Optical Electromagnetic Research. or a place which uses the acronym 'COER '. We still don't know where the email came from. I would bet though that one or the other of these places would be able to track it down. It would be this point I would send off a gently worded email to webmasters, postmasters and abuse at both places. I would take the base domain name, and then at the front of it add Webmaster@domainname Postmaster@domainname abuse@domainname I assure you, one of these will be a valid address for your complaint. First, I would Reply to the email and delete the email addresses which come up in the reply. This keeps track of the email throughout all the platforms it traveled. I would not delete the subject line. Second, I would state the incidence in very brief terms at the top of my email. Webmasters have enough to do than wade through long quoted material to find the message. Keep it brief and extremely polite. Third, I would copy and paste under my message to the webmaster ALL of the header information to the email under my message. Then, finally, I would copy and paste under the header information all the information in the body of the email. I am asking all of you NOT to do this with this particular post we had. Our webmasters are perfectly capable of doing this and taking care of the business. I'm merely presenting a way each of you can in your private emails can take care of offending emails. I can testify to the fact that if you follow this procedure, it can be most effective. Regards, Doug McKean --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
RE: A very nice game
For what it's worth, an absolutely excellent virus purge program is F-Prot, available from Frisk Software International at: http://www.f-prot.com/f-prot/download/ The DOS version is FREE and supported with very frequent (almost weekly) virus signature file updates. It runs just fine in a DOS window on WindowsNT, 2000, XP, 95 and 98. I have used it several times to eliminate viruses my son managed to get, and once to locate and purge a neighbor's computer of a virus that McAfee was unable to disinfect. Bob Wilson TIR Systems Ltd. Vancouver. -Original Message- From: Douglas C. Smith [mailto:d...@emcesd.com] Sent: April 24, 2002 10:33 AM To: Chris Chileshe Cc: 'Bill Ellingford'; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re: A very nice game Hi Chris and the Gang, It was probably a particularly nasty one called W32/Klez.h@MM which I have received through other channels several times lately. It is bad enough that if you actually get infected (McAfee will prevent this if your DAT files are reasonably new) you have to go into DOS and follow steps outlined my McAfee to get rid of it as it disables virus scanners. It appears to exploit an incorrect MIME header which causes IE to do some nasty things to your computer automatically by just opening or previewing the message. MAC's and PC's with Netscape Mail do not seem to be infected. I opened the letter in Netscape Messenger and did not get either a warning message or an infection. A URL on McAfee about this is: http://vil.mcafee.com/dispVirus.asp?virus_k=99455 One way to help avoid this type of thing is not to open email larger than a few tens (a long text message) of kB without knowing before who sent it and why. Long messages can harbor viruses. Doug Chris Chileshe wrote: Bill, Do we know which virus it was? Regards -Original Message- From: Bill Ellingford [SMTP:bill.ellingf...@motion-media.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 12:37 PM To: 'jmw'; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject:RE: A very nice game Importance: High URGENT Please be aware that the above E-mail to the EMC group contained a virus. Fortunately our system removed it from the message. Bill Ellingford -Original Message- From: jmw [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: 24 April 2002 22:59 To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: A very nice game -- Virus Warning Message (on gemini2) setup.exe is removed from here because it contains a virus. - * --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list -- --- ___ _ Doug Smith \ / ) P.O.
RE: FCC Contact
William Hurst took over these responsibilities. To contact these people the FCC website has a contact us section were you can access a phone directory and find the numbers you need. http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/findpeople.pl Best Regards Lothar Schmidt Technical Manager EMC/Radio BQB CETECOM Inc. 411 Dixon Landing Road Milpitas, CA 95035 * +1 408 586 6214 * +1 408 586 6299 -Original Message- From: Gary McInturff [mailto:gary.mcintu...@worldwidepackets.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 11:50 AM To: am...@westin-emission.no; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: FCC Contact Didn't Art Wall retired a year or so ago. Gary -Original Message- From: am...@westin-emission.no [mailto:am...@westin-emission.no] Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 9:14 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: SV: FCC Contact You can also make contact with Mr. Art Wall on e-mail: aw...@fcc.gov He gave us some advice a year ago regarding FCC interpretation. Amund -Opprinnelig melding- Fra: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]På vegne av John Juhasz Sendt: 24. april 2002 15:46 Til: 'rehel...@mmm.com'; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Emne: RE: FCC Contact Contact the FCC's OET (Office of Engineering and Technology). http://www.fcc.gov/oet/contact/ GE Interlogix John A. Juhasz Fiber Options Div. Bohemia, NY -Original Message- From: rehel...@mmm.com [mailto:rehel...@mmm.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 9:12 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: FCC Contact Can anyone provide me with phone and/or name contacts for FCC rules interpretation (Parts 15, 18, and 68)? Bob Heller 3M Product Safety, 76-1-01 St. Paul, MN 55107-1208 Tel: 651- 778-6336 Fax: 651-778-6252 --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web
RE: FCC Contact
No, Art has not retired. He will retire by the end of 2003 I think. He recently moved his office back to the lab in Columbia. His email address is unchanged. BJ -Original Message- From: Gary McInturff [mailto:gary.mcintu...@worldwidepackets.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 11:50 AM To: am...@westin-emission.no; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: FCC Contact Didn't Art Wall retired a year or so ago. Gary -Original Message- From: am...@westin-emission.no [mailto:am...@westin-emission.no] Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 9:14 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: SV: FCC Contact You can also make contact with Mr. Art Wall on e-mail: aw...@fcc.gov He gave us some advice a year ago regarding FCC interpretation. Amund -Opprinnelig melding- Fra: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]På vegne av John Juhasz Sendt: 24. april 2002 15:46 Til: 'rehel...@mmm.com'; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Emne: RE: FCC Contact Contact the FCC's OET (Office of Engineering and Technology). http://www.fcc.gov/oet/contact/ GE Interlogix John A. Juhasz Fiber Options Div. Bohemia, NY -Original Message- From: rehel...@mmm.com [mailto:rehel...@mmm.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 9:12 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: FCC Contact Can anyone provide me with phone and/or name contacts for FCC rules interpretation (Parts 15, 18, and 68)? Bob Heller 3M Product Safety, 76-1-01 St. Paul, MN 55107-1208 Tel: 651- 778-6336 Fax: 651-778-6252 --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators:
RE: FCC Contact
You can also search the existing rules interpretation database on the FCC web site https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/index_ie.html Under miscellaneous, click on rule interpretations. Mike -Original Message- From: Reginald Henry [mailto:rhe...@vicon-cctv.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 10:14 AM To: 'rehel...@mmm.com'; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: FCC Contact http://www.pseinc.com/faq.htm Try this site ! RH -Original Message- From: rehel...@mmm.com [mailto:rehel...@mmm.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 9:12 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: FCC Contact Can anyone provide me with phone and/or name contacts for FCC rules interpretation (Parts 15, 18, and 68)? Bob Heller 3M Product Safety, 76-1-01 St. Paul, MN 55107-1208 Tel: 651- 778-6336 Fax: 651-778-6252 --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
RE: FCC Contact
Didn't Art Wall retired a year or so ago. Gary -Original Message- From: am...@westin-emission.no [mailto:am...@westin-emission.no] Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 9:14 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: SV: FCC Contact You can also make contact with Mr. Art Wall on e-mail: aw...@fcc.gov He gave us some advice a year ago regarding FCC interpretation. Amund -Opprinnelig melding- Fra: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]På vegne av John Juhasz Sendt: 24. april 2002 15:46 Til: 'rehel...@mmm.com'; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Emne: RE: FCC Contact Contact the FCC's OET (Office of Engineering and Technology). http://www.fcc.gov/oet/contact/ GE Interlogix John A. Juhasz Fiber Options Div. Bohemia, NY -Original Message- From: rehel...@mmm.com [mailto:rehel...@mmm.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 9:12 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: FCC Contact Can anyone provide me with phone and/or name contacts for FCC rules interpretation (Parts 15, 18, and 68)? Bob Heller 3M Product Safety, 76-1-01 St. Paul, MN 55107-1208 Tel: 651- 778-6336 Fax: 651-778-6252 --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
RE: A very nice game
All of which makes one wonder why one would ever use IE as a mail reader! Rather like using a wrench as a hammer; sure, it can be made to work ...but why? Personally, I use Outlook at work (only because I have to). But at home, I use Pegasus which I feel is the best email program going, and it is free for the download. Bob Wilson TIR Systems Ltd. Vancouver. -Original Message- From: Douglas C. Smith [mailto:d...@emcesd.com] Sent: April 24, 2002 10:36 AM To: Robert Wilson Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re: A very nice game Robert, You do not have to open the attachment on this one at all if you have IE! Just preview or open the message. During virus outbreaks, like this one, I use a great webmail reader mail2web.com to preview my mail before downloading it. Doug Robert Wilson wrote: In spite of the attachment having been removed by the system, it was pretty darned obvious what this must have been. It always amazes me that people are foolish (stupid?) enough to open attachments to obviously suspicious emails like this one, that are from people they don't know, and subjects that make no sense. Bob Wilson TIR Systems Ltd. Vancouver. -Original Message- From: Bill Ellingford [mailto:bill.ellingf...@motion-media.com] Sent: April 24, 2002 4:37 AM To: 'jmw'; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: A very nice game Importance: High URGENT Please be aware that the above E-mail to the EMC group contained a virus. Fortunately our system removed it from the message. Bill Ellingford -Original Message- From: jmw [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: 24 April 2002 22:59 To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: A very nice game -- Virus Warning Message (on gemini2) setup.exe is removed from here because it contains a virus. - * --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list -- --- ___ _ Doug Smith \ / ) P.O. Box 1457 = Los Gatos, CA 95031-1457 _ / \ / \ _ TEL/FAX: 408-356-4186/358-3799 / /\ \ ] / /\ \ Mobile: 408-858-4528 | q-( ) | o |Email: d...@dsmith.org \ _ /]\ _ / Website: http://www.dsmith.org --- --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
RE: A very nice game
Agreed -- I've received this virus about 50 times in the last few days, but each time the system (local server) quarantines it.. Mike Hopkins Thermo KeyTek -Original Message- From: Robert Wilson [mailto:robert_wil...@tirsys.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 11:47 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: A very nice game In spite of the attachment having been removed by the system, it was pretty darned obvious what this must have been. It always amazes me that people are foolish (stupid?) enough to open attachments to obviously suspicious emails like this one, that are from people they don't know, and subjects that make no sense. Bob Wilson TIR Systems Ltd. Vancouver. -Original Message- From: Bill Ellingford [mailto:bill.ellingf...@motion-media.com] Sent: April 24, 2002 4:37 AM To: 'jmw'; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: A very nice game Importance: High URGENT Please be aware that the above E-mail to the EMC group contained a virus. Fortunately our system removed it from the message. Bill Ellingford -Original Message- From: jmw [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: 24 April 2002 22:59 To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: A very nice game -- Virus Warning Message (on gemini2) setup.exe is removed from here because it contains a virus. - * --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
RE: A very nice game
I deleted the file email immediately, but our IS group is asking what the file name was. Can anyone remember what it was, so I can pass it on to them. Thanks Doug Beckwith Naftali Shani nsh...@catena.com@majordomo.ieee.org on 04/24/2002 12:06:22 PM Please respond to Naftali Shani nsh...@catena.com Sent by: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org To: 'Chris Chileshe' chris.chile...@ultronics.com, 'Bill Ellingford' bill.ellingf...@motion-media.com, 'emc-p...@ieee.org'emc-p...@ieee.org cc: Subject: RE: A very nice game If I'm not wrong, this is the KLEZ virus (Win32.Klez.I@mm). Regards, Naftali Shani, Catena Networks (www.catena.com) 307 Legget Drive, Kanata, Ontario, Canada K2K 3C8 613.599.6430/866.2CATENA (X.8277); C 295.7042; F 599.0445 E-mail: nsh...@catena.com -Original Message- From: Chris Chileshe [mailto:chris.chile...@ultronics.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 10:19 AM To: 'Bill Ellingford'; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: A very nice game Bill, Do we know which virus it was? Regards -Original Message- From: Bill Ellingford [SMTP:bill.ellingf...@motion-media.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 12:37 PM To: 'jmw'; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: A very nice game Importance:High URGENT Please be aware that the above E-mail to the EMC group contained a virus. Fortunately our system removed it from the message. Bill Ellingford -Original Message- From: jmw [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: 24 April 2002 22:59 To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: A very nice game -- Virus Warning Message (on gemini2) setup.exe is removed from here because it contains a virus. - * --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at:
RE: A very nice game
Some thoughts. Assuming that this was a virus, the warning could be helpful to some. While I agree with Robert comments in part, in fact a lot of the viruses that exploit weaknesses in Microsoft Outlook use the sender's address book. So you WILL get viruses from people you know or correspond with (as in this case?). I think at least one virus read the sender's Inbox, so you could even get a reply to a message you had sent. (This file is in reply to your message?). PS: Even in this forum, which usually has useful subjects, we have had subjects such as: Decisions/choices Back to basics An old chestnut etc. best regards, glyn --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
Re: A very nice game
Robert, You do not have to open the attachment on this one at all if you have IE! Just preview or open the message. During virus outbreaks, like this one, I use a great webmail reader mail2web.com to preview my mail before downloading it. Doug Robert Wilson wrote: In spite of the attachment having been removed by the system, it was pretty darned obvious what this must have been. It always amazes me that people are foolish (stupid?) enough to open attachments to obviously suspicious emails like this one, that are from people they don't know, and subjects that make no sense. Bob Wilson TIR Systems Ltd. Vancouver. -Original Message- From: Bill Ellingford [mailto:bill.ellingf...@motion-media.com] Sent: April 24, 2002 4:37 AM To: 'jmw'; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: A very nice game Importance: High URGENT Please be aware that the above E-mail to the EMC group contained a virus. Fortunately our system removed it from the message. Bill Ellingford -Original Message- From: jmw [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: 24 April 2002 22:59 To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: A very nice game -- Virus Warning Message (on gemini2) setup.exe is removed from here because it contains a virus. - * --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list -- --- ___ _ Doug Smith \ / ) P.O. Box 1457 = Los Gatos, CA 95031-1457 _ / \ / \ _ TEL/FAX: 408-356-4186/358-3799 / /\ \ ] / /\ \ Mobile: 408-858-4528 | q-( ) | o |Email: d...@dsmith.org \ _ /]\ _ / Website: http://www.dsmith.org --- --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
Re: A very nice game
Hi Chris and the Gang, It was probably a particularly nasty one called W32/Klez.h@MM which I have received through other channels several times lately. It is bad enough that if you actually get infected (McAfee will prevent this if your DAT files are reasonably new) you have to go into DOS and follow steps outlined my McAfee to get rid of it as it disables virus scanners. It appears to exploit an incorrect MIME header which causes IE to do some nasty things to your computer automatically by just opening or previewing the message. MAC's and PC's with Netscape Mail do not seem to be infected. I opened the letter in Netscape Messenger and did not get either a warning message or an infection. A URL on McAfee about this is: http://vil.mcafee.com/dispVirus.asp?virus_k=99455 One way to help avoid this type of thing is not to open email larger than a few tens (a long text message) of kB without knowing before who sent it and why. Long messages can harbor viruses. Doug Chris Chileshe wrote: Bill, Do we know which virus it was? Regards -Original Message- From: Bill Ellingford [SMTP:bill.ellingf...@motion-media.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 12:37 PM To: 'jmw'; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject:RE: A very nice game Importance: High URGENT Please be aware that the above E-mail to the EMC group contained a virus. Fortunately our system removed it from the message. Bill Ellingford -Original Message- From: jmw [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: 24 April 2002 22:59 To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: A very nice game -- Virus Warning Message (on gemini2) setup.exe is removed from here because it contains a virus. - * --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list -- --- ___ _ Doug Smith \ / ) P.O. Box 1457 = Los Gatos, CA 95031-1457 _ / \ / \ _ TEL/FAX: 408-356-4186/358-3799 / /\ \ ] / /\ \ Mobile: 408-858-4528 | q-( ) | o |Email: d...@dsmith.org \ _ /]\ _ / Website: http://www.dsmith.org --- --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard:
Admin message: RE: A very nice game virus.
Hi Chris, Bill, and all other subscribers: A message with the subject: A very nice game was sent to the IEEE (emc-pstc) for posting by our listserver. The original message contained a virus known as KLEZ.G. The IEEE computer detected the virus. This virus was stripped from the message by the IEEE (computer gemini2). Then the remainder of the message was distributed by the listserver. The message you received from emc-pstc did not contain a virus. One of the characteristics of the virus is that it replaces the From line with a random address from the local address book. So, we don't know which subscriber's computer is infected with the virus. We only know that jmw was included in the subscriber's address book. More info on this virus can be obtained from the usual sources, one of which is: http://www.sophos.com/virusinfo/analyses/w32klezg.html Best regards, Rich co-administrator, IEEE emc-pstc listserver --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
RE: FCC Contact
Here is the number for OET EMC division, I've never found them to be much help, but then again, I've never been much help either. Electromagnetic Compatibility Division Electromagnetic Compatibility Division 202-418-2475 Chief Robert M. Bromery Deputy ChiefCharles J. Iseman Technical Analysis Branch Chief Robert Eckert Experimental Licensing Branch Chief James R. Burtle Good Luck! Ed Woodcox -Original Message- From: Ken Javor [mailto:ken.ja...@emccompliance.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 10:20 AM To: rehel...@mmm.com; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Re: FCC Contact I may be out of date and I don't have a number at hand, but Art Wall comes to mind. You can find all the appropriate personnel in the back of ITEM. on 4/24/02 8:12 AM, rehel...@mmm.com at rehel...@mmm.com wrote: Can anyone provide me with phone and/or name contacts for FCC rules interpretation (Parts 15, 18, and 68)? Bob Heller 3M Product Safety, 76-1-01 St. Paul, MN 55107-1208 Tel: 651- 778-6336 Fax: 651-778-6252 --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list -- Ken Javor EMC Compliance Huntsville, Alabama 256/650-5261 --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
Re: FCC Contact
For MRAs, contact Art Wall (located at D.C.) at (202)-418-2442. For OET services, contact Richard Fabina at (301)-362-3021. For EMC (eg. Pt15, etc.), contact Tom Phillips at (301) - 362 - 3044. For Radio Approval (eg.Pt 101, etc.), contact Frank Coperich at 301-362-3023. I have found they are extremely helpful on above-mentioned matters respectively from my past several years experience dealing with FCC. Leslie rehel...@mmm.com wrote: Can anyone provide me with phone and/or name contacts for FCC rules interpretation (Parts 15, 18, and 68)? Bob Heller 3M Product Safety, 76-1-01 St. Paul, MN 55107-1208 Tel: 651- 778-6336 Fax: 651-778-6252 --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list - Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more
RE: CNS Standards
Bonjour de Montreal, Just a few comment about BSMI, MRAs and testing. The APEC TEL MRA was sign by the DGT in Taiwan, thus allowing foreign testing lab to the EMC on telecom equipment only. The extension, in USA, of this MRA to Information Technology Equipment was negotiated separately by the FCC (actually by the means of an exchange of letters between trade office in Washington and Taipei for political reasons). The terms used in those letters states that Designated US based lab data would be recognized by BSMI for tests performed on US products. In fact, Us tests labs can only test US products. This situation made me test in Taiwan for the last two years, waiting for the Taiwan Foreign affairs to sign the same type of agreement with Canada. On the other hand, South-Korea was just (see attachment) update their Annex 1 of the APEC Tel MRA, including all EMI and EMS test. So, accredited tests labs, even American ones, if they have their scope modified to include the South-Korean requirements, could be designated. I just received mine a few days ago. Best regards, == Benoît Nadeau, ing., M.ing. (P.Eng., M.Eng) Gérant du Groupe Conformité (Conformity Group Manager) Matrox == 1055, boul St-Régis Dorval (Québec) Canada H9P 2T4 Tel : (514) 822-6000 (2475) Fax : (514) 822-6275 mailto:bnad...@matrox.com http://www.matrox.com == -Original Message- From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of Fred Borda Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 17:01 To: Barbara Judge Cc: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: CNS Standards Hi Barbara, Yes, I believe what we have is an official translation of CNS13438. I'm sure it has the usual disclaimers on it warning that in the event of a conflict between the original and the translation, the original Chinese prevails, though. Thanks for your post detailing the MRAs. I think it helps make some sense out of it for those who aren't following it regularly. About the in-country testing required note on our web site, that's actually intended to refer to telecom testing. BSMI has recognized EMC test reports from designated labs even before the APEC TEL MRA, and DGT adopted this practice when they began evaluating EMC compliance on telecom equipment two years ago. On the telecom front, Taiwan has been ready for some time to move forward with the US on Phase I and more recently Phase II of the MRA. It's just a matter of designating labs outside of Taiwan. As far as I know, the only lab designated for any standard besides EMC is CCS. For wire line telecom, until there are labs designated outside of Taiwan to test to the standard that applies to a product, the practical advice is that it's got to be tested (for telecom) in-country. Sorry to cause confusion. -Fred Borda Compliance International www.typeapproval.com At PM 12:50 04/22/02 -0700, Barbara Judge wrote: Hi Fred, Is that an official translation of CNS 13438? By the way in visiting your website I notice that you stipulate that In-country testing is required for most equipment Under the APEC Mutual Recognition Arrangement, both Taiwan and the US being signatories, it is not required that testing be conducted in Taiwan. Testing may be conducted by a Conformity Assessment Body (CAB), in the U.S., that has been Nominated by NIST and confirmed by DGT. We are still in Phase 1 of the Arrangement so submission to DGT is still required. Once we move to Phase 2 the confirmed CABs under Phase 2 should be capable of certifying products for DGT. I'd be happy to discuss our capability with you off-line. Best Regards, Barbara ___ Barbara L. Judge Vice President Compliance Certification Services Designated TCB and CAB 561F Monterey Road Morgan Hill, CA 95037 408-463-0885 ext.104 Fax: 408-463-0888 e-mail: bju...@ccsemc.com http://www.ccsemc.com -Original Message- From: Fred Borda [mailto:fbo...@typeapproval.com] Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 11:22 AM To: rehel...@mmm.com Cc: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Re: CNS Standards Hello Bob, Compliance International can provide the CNS 13438 standard for you. Please contact me off-list for details. Best regards, -Fred Borda Compliance International www.typeapproval.com At PM 12:05 04/22/02 -0500, rehel...@mmm.com wrote: Can anyone provide a source to purchase Taiwan EMC standards (CNS) in English? Thank you, Bob Heller 3M Product Safety, 76-1-01 St. Paul, MN 55107-1208 Tel: 651- 778-6336 Fax: 651-778-6252 --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the
RE: CE for Fluorescent Lamps
Just as a matter of curiosity, regarding the trailing boilerplate on your message, what could possibly be accomplished by forwarding an incorrectly delivered email back to the sender? The recipient will still have the original message. Sounds like someone isn't too clear on the concepts of email! Bob Wilson TIR Systems Ltd. Vancouver. -Original Message- From: Peter Merguerian [mailto:pmerguer...@itl.co.il] Sent: April 24, 2002 6:10 AM To: EMC-PSTC (E-mail) Subject: CE for Fluorescent Lamps Dear All, Some fluorescent lamps (the bulb) are marked with CE and others are not. What European Directives and standards should fluorescent lamps have to comply with? This e-mail message may contain privileged or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose, use, disseminate, distribute, copy or rely upon this message or attachment in any way. If you received this e-mail message in error, please return by forwarding the message and its attachments to the sender. PETER S. MERGUERIAN Technical Director I.T.L. (Product Testing) Ltd. 26 Hacharoshet St., POB 211 Or Yehuda 60251, Israel Tel: + 972-(0)3-5339022 Fax: + 972-(0)3-5339019 Mobile: + 972-(0)54-838175 http://www.itl.co.il http://www.i-spec.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
SV: FCC Contact
You can also make contact with Mr. Art Wall on e-mail: aw...@fcc.gov He gave us some advice a year ago regarding FCC interpretation. Amund -Opprinnelig melding- Fra: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]På vegne av John Juhasz Sendt: 24. april 2002 15:46 Til: 'rehel...@mmm.com'; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Emne: RE: FCC Contact Contact the FCC's OET (Office of Engineering and Technology). http://www.fcc.gov/oet/contact/ GE Interlogix John A. Juhasz Fiber Options Div. Bohemia, NY -Original Message- From: rehel...@mmm.com [mailto:rehel...@mmm.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 9:12 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: FCC Contact Can anyone provide me with phone and/or name contacts for FCC rules interpretation (Parts 15, 18, and 68)? Bob Heller 3M Product Safety, 76-1-01 St. Paul, MN 55107-1208 Tel: 651- 778-6336 Fax: 651-778-6252 --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
RE: A very nice game
If I'm not wrong, this is the KLEZ virus (Win32.Klez.I@mm). Regards, Naftali Shani, Catena Networks (www.catena.com) 307 Legget Drive, Kanata, Ontario, Canada K2K 3C8 613.599.6430/866.2CATENA (X.8277); C 295.7042; F 599.0445 E-mail: nsh...@catena.com -Original Message- From: Chris Chileshe [mailto:chris.chile...@ultronics.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 10:19 AM To: 'Bill Ellingford'; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject:RE: A very nice game Bill, Do we know which virus it was? Regards -Original Message- From: Bill Ellingford [SMTP:bill.ellingf...@motion-media.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 12:37 PM To: 'jmw'; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject:RE: A very nice game Importance: High URGENT Please be aware that the above E-mail to the EMC group contained a virus. Fortunately our system removed it from the message. Bill Ellingford -Original Message- From: jmw [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: 24 April 2002 22:59 To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: A very nice game -- Virus Warning Message (on gemini2) setup.exe is removed from here because it contains a virus. - * --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
RE: A very nice game
In spite of the attachment having been removed by the system, it was pretty darned obvious what this must have been. It always amazes me that people are foolish (stupid?) enough to open attachments to obviously suspicious emails like this one, that are from people they don't know, and subjects that make no sense. Bob Wilson TIR Systems Ltd. Vancouver. -Original Message- From: Bill Ellingford [mailto:bill.ellingf...@motion-media.com] Sent: April 24, 2002 4:37 AM To: 'jmw'; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: A very nice game Importance: High URGENT Please be aware that the above E-mail to the EMC group contained a virus. Fortunately our system removed it from the message. Bill Ellingford -Original Message- From: jmw [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: 24 April 2002 22:59 To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: A very nice game -- Virus Warning Message (on gemini2) setup.exe is removed from here because it contains a virus. - * --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
Re: FCC Contact
Try sending an email to oeti...@fcc.gov. I've received responses to questions within 1 day. Jim Hulbert Pitney Bowes rehel...@mmm.com Sent by: To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org owner-emc-pstc@majordomcc: o.ieee.org Subject: FCC Contact 04/24/2002 09:12 AM Please respond to reheller Can anyone provide me with phone and/or name contacts for FCC rules interpretation (Parts 15, 18, and 68)? Bob Heller 3M Product Safety, 76-1-01 St. Paul, MN 55107-1208 Tel: 651- 778-6336 Fax: 651-778-6252 --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
RE: FCC Contact
http://www.pseinc.com/faq.htm Try this site ! RH -Original Message- From: rehel...@mmm.com [mailto:rehel...@mmm.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 9:12 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: FCC Contact Can anyone provide me with phone and/or name contacts for FCC rules interpretation (Parts 15, 18, and 68)? Bob Heller 3M Product Safety, 76-1-01 St. Paul, MN 55107-1208 Tel: 651- 778-6336 Fax: 651-778-6252 --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
RE: FCC Contact
Bob, You can go to the FCC.gov website and find the phone numbers and the departments they work in. I would suggest Tom Phillips in OET, but I have been known to dial randomly and get the answers I need. Although they sometimes seem surprised and ask me where I got their particular number from. Gary (When I grow up I want to be one of those phone solicitors that calls you at dinner time) -Original Message- From: rehel...@mmm.com [mailto:rehel...@mmm.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 6:12 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: FCC Contact Can anyone provide me with phone and/or name contacts for FCC rules interpretation (Parts 15, 18, and 68)? Bob Heller 3M Product Safety, 76-1-01 St. Paul, MN 55107-1208 Tel: 651- 778-6336 Fax: 651-778-6252 --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
RE: CE for Fluorescent Lamps
Was just at a hotel with the replacement circular fluorescent lamps directly above (2 feet) the hotel provided radio (less cheesy than most). Turning on the light completely destroyed the signal. AM and FM and all channels. Turn it off and the radio was nice a clear. Wanted to steal the bulb to measure later - decided on the towels instead. Not only should these bulbs have been not been CE marked, they should have had a label for only for use inside microwave ovens or something. Gary -Original Message- From: Peter Merguerian [mailto:pmerguer...@itl.co.il] Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 6:10 AM To: EMC-PSTC (E-mail) Subject: CE for Fluorescent Lamps Dear All, Some fluorescent lamps (the bulb) are marked with CE and others are not. What European Directives and standards should fluorescent lamps have to comply with? This e-mail message may contain privileged or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose, use, disseminate, distribute, copy or rely upon this message or attachment in any way. If you received this e-mail message in error, please return by forwarding the message and its attachments to the sender. PETER S. MERGUERIAN Technical Director I.T.L. (Product Testing) Ltd. 26 Hacharoshet St., POB 211 Or Yehuda 60251, Israel Tel: + 972-(0)3-5339022 Fax: + 972-(0)3-5339019 Mobile: + 972-(0)54-838175 http://www.itl.co.il http://www.i-spec.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
Re: FCC Contact
I may be out of date and I don't have a number at hand, but Art Wall comes to mind. You can find all the appropriate personnel in the back of ITEM. on 4/24/02 8:12 AM, rehel...@mmm.com at rehel...@mmm.com wrote: Can anyone provide me with phone and/or name contacts for FCC rules interpretation (Parts 15, 18, and 68)? Bob Heller 3M Product Safety, 76-1-01 St. Paul, MN 55107-1208 Tel: 651- 778-6336 Fax: 651-778-6252 --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list -- Ken Javor EMC Compliance Huntsville, Alabama 256/650-5261 --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
RE: A very nice game
Bill, Do we know which virus it was? Regards -Original Message- From: Bill Ellingford [SMTP:bill.ellingf...@motion-media.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 12:37 PM To: 'jmw'; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject:RE: A very nice game Importance: High URGENT Please be aware that the above E-mail to the EMC group contained a virus. Fortunately our system removed it from the message. Bill Ellingford -Original Message- From: jmw [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: 24 April 2002 22:59 To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: A very nice game -- Virus Warning Message (on gemini2) setup.exe is removed from here because it contains a virus. - * --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
RE: FCC Contact
Contact the FCC's OET (Office of Engineering and Technology). http://www.fcc.gov/oet/contact/ GE Interlogix John A. Juhasz Fiber Options Div. Bohemia, NY -Original Message- From: rehel...@mmm.com [mailto:rehel...@mmm.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 9:12 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: FCC Contact Can anyone provide me with phone and/or name contacts for FCC rules interpretation (Parts 15, 18, and 68)? Bob Heller 3M Product Safety, 76-1-01 St. Paul, MN 55107-1208 Tel: 651- 778-6336 Fax: 651-778-6252 --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
FCC Contact
Can anyone provide me with phone and/or name contacts for FCC rules interpretation (Parts 15, 18, and 68)? Bob Heller 3M Product Safety, 76-1-01 St. Paul, MN 55107-1208 Tel: 651- 778-6336 Fax: 651-778-6252 --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
CE for Fluorescent Lamps
Dear All, Some fluorescent lamps (the bulb) are marked with CE and others are not. What European Directives and standards should fluorescent lamps have to comply with? This e-mail message may contain privileged or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose, use, disseminate, distribute, copy or rely upon this message or attachment in any way. If you received this e-mail message in error, please return by forwarding the message and its attachments to the sender. PETER S. MERGUERIAN Technical Director I.T.L. (Product Testing) Ltd. 26 Hacharoshet St., POB 211 Or Yehuda 60251, Israel Tel: + 972-(0)3-5339022 Fax: + 972-(0)3-5339019 Mobile: + 972-(0)54-838175 http://www.itl.co.il http://www.i-spec.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
RE: A very nice game
URGENT Please be aware that the above E-mail to the EMC group contained a virus. Fortunately our system removed it from the message. Bill Ellingford -Original Message- From: jmw [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: 24 April 2002 22:59 To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: A very nice game -- Virus Warning Message (on gemini2) setup.exe is removed from here because it contains a virus. - * --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
Reminder - Northeast Product Safety Society Meeting Today - Wednesday, April 24
There will be a Northeast Product Safety Society meeting today, April 24, at EMC Corporation's Customer Briefing Center in Hopkinton, MA. A social hour with light refreshments will begin at 7:00 PM and the technical meeting will start at 7:30 PM. James Norton, CEO of EMD Optima, will be presenting this months technical topic concerning requirements and techniques for machine guarding and safety. The presentation will include national and international safety standards, compliance considerations, common liability questions, safety systems documentation and essential training requirements, and new ANSI requirements for steps to take to reduce potential risk. For further information about this meeting and Mr. Norton please see the NPSS website at http://www.nepss.org/meetings/next-mtgapr.html. The 2002 NPSS meeting schedule is available on the NPSS website at http://www.nepss.org/about/npss2002kf.html. The President's March message is available on the NPSS website at http://www.nepss.org/messagefrompresident/messagepres_030502.html. Further information about the Northeast Product Safety Society and how to become a member is available at http://www.nepss.org. You can also contact one of the NPSS officers via links at http://www.nepss.org/about/officerskf.html. Directions: From Route 495 North or South take exit 21B to South Street. At the first traffic light, turn left (Note: This is on South direction side of Route 495). EMC Corporation is the second driveway on the right. Matt Campanella NPSS Secretary Compliance Engineer Motorola, Inc. Broadband Communications Sector 3 Highwood Drive East Tewksbury, MA 01876 (978) 858-2303 Direct (978) 858-2300 Main (978) 858-2399 Fax matthew.campane...@motorola.com email --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
Re: EMC and Class 2 equipment
Amund I don't think of a green wire as RF ground. What are Y caps DOING? They are a return path for RF current that could otherwise get onto the mains and cause interference. How does RF current get onto the power conductors? Unbalanced switching noise? Yes, mostly. Capacitive coupling? Some. Inductive? Some. You can cut noise at the source, as well as at the enclosure. Maybe better - you have a shorter path there to the generator. Anyway, if you need to, put Y caps on the equipment side and reduce stray coupling to the mains side with spacing and shielding. Don't think of safety ground as a return for EMI. Not to judge; we're often stuck with what we have, but that's my two cents worth. (grin) Cortland --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
Re: EMC and Class 2 equipment
Hi Amund: Being a safety guy and not an emc guy... (disclaimer) Ground connections is usually nice to have when dealing with EMC. But what about EMC and a class 2 (double insulation) power supply (shall comply with MIL-STD-461E) . I'm thinking on, what to do with the regularly Y-caps, does it really have any meaning with these caps when ground is absent? How do Y caps suppress EMC? I believe that they provide a low-Z return path for signals that are coupled into the ground due to stray capacitances in the construction of the power supply. If we think of the switching circuits as an emc generator, and some of the emc voltage is coupled to the ground, then the Y caps provide a return path for the emc current to return to the switching circuits. In a 2-wire product, there is no ground, so there is no stray capacitance. However, there is stray capacitance to the secondary. So, it is customary to put a Y-cap between the common side of the secondary back to the primary circuit, usually the dc common point of the switching circuits. This provides a low-Z path for emc voltage in the secondary to return to the primary. EMC experts will want to correct this thinking on how Y caps suppress emc. Best regards, Rich --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
