RE: Some slightly disturbing interview news ...

2002-05-16 Thread Robert Wilson

Hmmm.  the most politically correct engineer that has any brains

Politically correct and having brains? Aren't the two mutually
exclusive?

Bob Wilson
TIR Systems Ltd.
Vancouver.

-Original Message-
From: Jim Freeman [mailto:free...@chelsio.com] 
Sent: May 16, 2002 11:17 AM
To: Berkley
Cc: Ken Javor; Doug McKean; EMC-PSTC Discussion Group
Subject: Re: Some slightly disturbing interview news ...


Hi All,
I have heard of this and know that it is performed as an information
gathering tool. A company usually employs their own engineer
designate(the most
politically correct engineer that has any brains) and puts him on all
the
interview lists. This person writes reports as to what is being done
outside
and then the managers use this database to question their internal
experts
about why they are doing things a certain way,. Keep in mind that the
managers
have no idea how or what it takes to solve the problem but use the
database to
badger internal people and force them to investigate a problem in a way
that
doesn't match their skill set while at the same time expressing
disappointment
at how the job isn't getting done in a timely manner because of the
insuficiency of expertise in the internal people. The internal person
may even
on the right track but will be forced off of it befause of management
pressure.

Another time I was actually queried about the values for particular
constants and watched the politically correct engineer write down the
answers
in my presence. This was a case of a not particularly bright politically
correct engineer.

Thanks
Jim Freeman
Berkley wrote:

 This is nothing new.. I found this to be typical interviewing
technique at
 several start-ups that I had interviewed with over the past 3-4 years.
The
 questioning would get extremely detailed, and in my opinion, way too
focused
 (for a first interview).  I learned to recognize some tell-tale
signs.. for
 instance, where my  most of my responses to specific questions got an
 immediate reaction like  but what if you already tried that and it
didn't
 work? .. what else would you do... and the questioning would proceed
way
 down, into the micro-level on this one problem.

 It was so blatant at one interview that, after a grueling 2 hours, I
finally
 stood up and said hire me and you'll find out, then walked out.
They
 called me back for a second interview! ..  I kindly declined..

 Be Good,
 George

 - Original Message -
 From: Ken Javor ken.ja...@emccompliance.com
 To: Doug McKean dmck...@corp.auspex.com; EMC-PSTC Discussion
Group
 emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
 Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 12:54 AM
 Subject: Re: Some slightly disturbing interview news ...

 
  Happened to me personally, but not in Silly Valley.
 
  --
  From: Doug McKean dmck...@corp.auspex.com
  To: EMC-PSTC Discussion Group emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
  Subject: Some slightly disturbing interview news ...
  Date: Wed, May 15, 2002, 6:45 PM
  
 
  
   Times are tough all round but there's no need to
   make things tougher.  Here in Silly Valley, things
   are tough and I have made some attempts to
   find a few people jobs in my spare time. These
   are people I know personally.  I'm sure I'm
   not alone in this venture.  I'm sure most if not
   everyone on this list would also help.
  
   One headhunter who called me wanted to know if
   I was just plain nuts or just some sort of a good guy
   handing a job offer off to someone I knew who was
   looking. I told him it was none of his business smirk,
   just make sure to give so-and-so a call. Which they do.
  
   Unfortunately, what I have personally experienced
   in the past (rarely), and what appears to be happening
   at least with a few of companies currently is the following ...
  
   EMC job opening is posted. Resumes are sent.
   A few candidates are selected for interviews.
   Most of the interview centers on questions about
   how to solve some problems that are being
   experienced by said company. Then there's a
   decision not to hire anyone. Purchase req for
   new hires is closed. All candidates are rejected.
  
   A few months later, same company goes through
   the whole thing again.  Only this time, there's a
   different set of questions to problems all being
   experienced by said company. Both sets of questions
   involving how-would-you-solve-this type of problems.
  
   I'm sure most of you know where I'm going with this.
   At the end of the day, the company or whoever in the
   company, has their solution or solutions.
  
   I'm not crying about this.  My questions are ...
   Comes with the turf?
   Are you surprised to hear such a thing?
   Not surprised?
   Has is happened to you?
   Heard that it does happen but rarely and with
   some other company somewhere else?
   Happens all the time?
   Never happens?
   You gotta be kidden?
   So that's what that was all about!  Thanks.
   Yea, but whaddaya gonna do about it?
   Well, if it does happen, so much the
   

Re: UL 60950, Section 6.1.2.1

2002-05-16 Thread Rich Nute




Hi Richard:


   For those who want to read the UL60950 Section 6.1.2.1, I have written the
   specific parts of the section that I have questions on. Otherwise, here are
   my questions and comments:
   
   1) If the bridging components are left in place, do I still have to meet the
   10 mA requirement?

No.  The standard is quite clear that the Figure 6A, 
10 mA, test is only performed if components are removed
for the electric strength test.  Note the statement:

If this option is chosen, an additional test... is
performed with all components in place.

   2) If so, at which test voltage, the 1.5kV/1.0kV or EUT's rated
   voltage/range?

The test voltage is the EUT rated voltage, not the
electric strength test voltage.

   The paragraph describing what to do if components are removed, implies that
   if the components are left in place, the 10 mA test is not performed, only
   that the components shall not be damaged. But the section describing the
   passing requiring requirements does not make that distinction. They are part
   of an 'and' condition.

The standard implies that some circuits may have 
components connecedt between the telecom network and
earth.  For such circuits 

-the components could load the electric strength 
 test such that the test would appear to be a 
 failure, or 

-the test voltage could damage the components.  

Therefore, the standard allows such components to be
removed such that only the insulation is tested (and
the components are not damaged).

However, the standard requires a degree of isolation
between the telecom network and earth such that the
impedance is not less than 7 kohms for a 120-V source
(120 V/10 mA  -  5 kohms).

   3) If the 10 mA test is not required, when the bridging components are left
   in place, then what is the reasoning for having these components be able to
   exceed the 10 mA, when those components that had to be removed, be subject
   to the 10 mA max current?

The problem is that the impedance will either load 
the hi-pot tester such that it indicates failure or
cannot rise to the specified voltage (1 kV or 1.5 kV),
or the component cannot withstand the hi-pot test 
voltage and is destroyed.

For these reasons, the line-to-earth components can be 
lifted for the hi-pot test (1 kV or 1.5 kV), but must 
be tested by the rated voltage test (120 V or 230 V,
10 mA max).

Imagine a non-linear voltage-limiting device between
the network line and earth.  At working voltages, the
device appears as an open circuit.  At higher voltages,
the device appears as a relatively low impedance (or
even near zero ohms).  For the hi-pot test, the circuit 
would indicate failure because of the operation of the 
voltage-limiting device.  For the rated-voltage/10 mA 
test, the device will appear as a relatively high 
impedance.

In summary:

The requirement is for basic insulation between
the network line and earth.  This insulation is
tested by a hi-pot test.

In some constructions, the circuit may have 
components (i.e., impedances) between line and
earth.  Depending on the components, the hi-pot
test may not be possible, or may damage the line-
to-earth components.

In such cases, the components may be removed for
the hi-pot test.  However, the impedance of the
components between line and earth cannot be less
than that determined by the rated-voltage/10 mA
test.

If you have further questions, or want further 
clarification, please ask.


Best regards,
Rich 










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Re: Some slightly disturbing interview news ...

2002-05-16 Thread Jim Freeman

Hi All,
I have heard of this and know that it is performed as an information
gathering tool. A company usually employs their own engineer designate(the most
politically correct engineer that has any brains) and puts him on all the
interview lists. This person writes reports as to what is being done outside
and then the managers use this database to question their internal experts
about why they are doing things a certain way,. Keep in mind that the managers
have no idea how or what it takes to solve the problem but use the database to
badger internal people and force them to investigate a problem in a way that
doesn't match their skill set while at the same time expressing disappointment
at how the job isn't getting done in a timely manner because of the
insuficiency of expertise in the internal people. The internal person may even
on the right track but will be forced off of it befause of management pressure.

Another time I was actually queried about the values for particular
constants and watched the politically correct engineer write down the answers
in my presence. This was a case of a not particularly bright politically
correct engineer.

Thanks
Jim Freeman
Berkley wrote:

 This is nothing new.. I found this to be typical interviewing technique at
 several start-ups that I had interviewed with over the past 3-4 years. The
 questioning would get extremely detailed, and in my opinion, way too focused
 (for a first interview).  I learned to recognize some tell-tale signs.. for
 instance, where my  most of my responses to specific questions got an
 immediate reaction like  but what if you already tried that and it didn't
 work? .. what else would you do... and the questioning would proceed way
 down, into the micro-level on this one problem.

 It was so blatant at one interview that, after a grueling 2 hours, I finally
 stood up and said hire me and you'll find out, then walked out.  They
 called me back for a second interview! ..  I kindly declined..

 Be Good,
 George

 - Original Message -
 From: Ken Javor ken.ja...@emccompliance.com
 To: Doug McKean dmck...@corp.auspex.com; EMC-PSTC Discussion Group
 emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
 Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 12:54 AM
 Subject: Re: Some slightly disturbing interview news ...

 
  Happened to me personally, but not in Silly Valley.
 
  --
  From: Doug McKean dmck...@corp.auspex.com
  To: EMC-PSTC Discussion Group emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
  Subject: Some slightly disturbing interview news ...
  Date: Wed, May 15, 2002, 6:45 PM
  
 
  
   Times are tough all round but there's no need to
   make things tougher.  Here in Silly Valley, things
   are tough and I have made some attempts to
   find a few people jobs in my spare time. These
   are people I know personally.  I'm sure I'm
   not alone in this venture.  I'm sure most if not
   everyone on this list would also help.
  
   One headhunter who called me wanted to know if
   I was just plain nuts or just some sort of a good guy
   handing a job offer off to someone I knew who was
   looking. I told him it was none of his business smirk,
   just make sure to give so-and-so a call. Which they do.
  
   Unfortunately, what I have personally experienced
   in the past (rarely), and what appears to be happening
   at least with a few of companies currently is the following ...
  
   EMC job opening is posted. Resumes are sent.
   A few candidates are selected for interviews.
   Most of the interview centers on questions about
   how to solve some problems that are being
   experienced by said company. Then there's a
   decision not to hire anyone. Purchase req for
   new hires is closed. All candidates are rejected.
  
   A few months later, same company goes through
   the whole thing again.  Only this time, there's a
   different set of questions to problems all being
   experienced by said company. Both sets of questions
   involving how-would-you-solve-this type of problems.
  
   I'm sure most of you know where I'm going with this.
   At the end of the day, the company or whoever in the
   company, has their solution or solutions.
  
   I'm not crying about this.  My questions are ...
   Comes with the turf?
   Are you surprised to hear such a thing?
   Not surprised?
   Has is happened to you?
   Heard that it does happen but rarely and with
   some other company somewhere else?
   Happens all the time?
   Never happens?
   You gotta be kidden?
   So that's what that was all about!  Thanks.
   Yea, but whaddaya gonna do about it?
   Well, if it does happen, so much the
   better I don't work there ...
   Etc ...
  
   Regards, Doug McKean
  
  
  
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UL 60950, Section 6.1.2.1

2002-05-16 Thread Georgerian, Richard
Greetings All,

For those who want to read the UL60950 Section 6.1.2.1, I have written the
specific parts of the section that I have questions on. Otherwise, here are
my questions and comments:

1) If the bridging components are left in place, do I still have to meet the
10 mA requirement?
2) If so, at which test voltage, the 1.5kV/1.0kV or EUT's rated
voltage/range?

The paragraph describing what to do if components are removed, implies that
if the components are left in place, the 10 mA test is not performed, only
that the components shall not be damaged. But the section describing the
passing requiring requirements does not make that distinction. They are part
of an 'and' condition.

3) If the 10 mA test is not required, when the bridging components are left
in place, then what is the reasoning for having these components be able to
exceed the 10 mA, when those components that had to be removed, be subject
to the 10 mA max current?

Thanks.

Richard Georgerian
Compliance Engineer 
Carrier Access Corporation
5395 Pearl Parkway
Boulder, CO 80301
USA

Tele: 303-218-5748  Fax: 303-218-5503
mailto:rgeorger...@carrieraccess.com

=
UL60950 Section 6.1.2.1 Separation of the telecommunication network from
earth, Requirements

Insulation is subjected to an electric strength test according to 5.2.2. The
a.c test voltage is as follows:

- for equipment intended to be installed in an area where the nominal ac
mains supply voltage exceeds 130 V: 1.5 kV

- for all other equipment: 1.0 kV

The test voltages apply whether or not the equipment is powered from the ac
mains supply.

It is permitted to remove components that bridge the insulation, other than
capacitors, during electric strength testing. If this option is chosen, an
additional test with a test circuit according to figure 6A is performed with
all components in place. The test is performed with a voltage equal to the
rated voltage of the equipment or the upper voltage of the rated voltage
range.

During these tests:

- there shall be no breakdown of insulation during electric strength
testing; and

- components bridging the insulation that are left in place during electric
strength testing shall not be damaged; and

- the current flowing in the test circuit of figure 6A shall not exceed 10
mA
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Re: Some slightly disturbing interview news ...

2002-05-16 Thread Berkley

This is nothing new.. I found this to be typical interviewing technique at
several start-ups that I had interviewed with over the past 3-4 years. The
questioning would get extremely detailed, and in my opinion, way too focused
(for a first interview).  I learned to recognize some tell-tale signs.. for
instance, where my  most of my responses to specific questions got an
immediate reaction like  but what if you already tried that and it didn't
work? .. what else would you do... and the questioning would proceed way
down, into the micro-level on this one problem.

It was so blatant at one interview that, after a grueling 2 hours, I finally
stood up and said hire me and you'll find out, then walked out.  They
called me back for a second interview! ..  I kindly declined..

Be Good,
George


- Original Message -
From: Ken Javor ken.ja...@emccompliance.com
To: Doug McKean dmck...@corp.auspex.com; EMC-PSTC Discussion Group
emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 12:54 AM
Subject: Re: Some slightly disturbing interview news ...



 Happened to me personally, but not in Silly Valley.

 --
 From: Doug McKean dmck...@corp.auspex.com
 To: EMC-PSTC Discussion Group emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
 Subject: Some slightly disturbing interview news ...
 Date: Wed, May 15, 2002, 6:45 PM
 

 
  Times are tough all round but there's no need to
  make things tougher.  Here in Silly Valley, things
  are tough and I have made some attempts to
  find a few people jobs in my spare time. These
  are people I know personally.  I'm sure I'm
  not alone in this venture.  I'm sure most if not
  everyone on this list would also help.
 
  One headhunter who called me wanted to know if
  I was just plain nuts or just some sort of a good guy
  handing a job offer off to someone I knew who was
  looking. I told him it was none of his business smirk,
  just make sure to give so-and-so a call. Which they do.
 
  Unfortunately, what I have personally experienced
  in the past (rarely), and what appears to be happening
  at least with a few of companies currently is the following ...
 
  EMC job opening is posted. Resumes are sent.
  A few candidates are selected for interviews.
  Most of the interview centers on questions about
  how to solve some problems that are being
  experienced by said company. Then there's a
  decision not to hire anyone. Purchase req for
  new hires is closed. All candidates are rejected.
 
  A few months later, same company goes through
  the whole thing again.  Only this time, there's a
  different set of questions to problems all being
  experienced by said company. Both sets of questions
  involving how-would-you-solve-this type of problems.
 
  I'm sure most of you know where I'm going with this.
  At the end of the day, the company or whoever in the
  company, has their solution or solutions.
 
  I'm not crying about this.  My questions are ...
  Comes with the turf?
  Are you surprised to hear such a thing?
  Not surprised?
  Has is happened to you?
  Heard that it does happen but rarely and with
  some other company somewhere else?
  Happens all the time?
  Never happens?
  You gotta be kidden?
  So that's what that was all about!  Thanks.
  Yea, but whaddaya gonna do about it?
  Well, if it does happen, so much the
  better I don't work there ...
  Etc ...
 
  Regards, Doug McKean
 
 
 
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RE: 2 questions. 1) HP software for 7400A analyzers, 2) FDA letters of Accession

2002-05-16 Thread Chris Maxwell

Hi Gary, 

From your message:

2) Does anybody out there get any traction from a Letters of 
accession that the FDA sends to a optics vendor after receiving a request for 
a model addition?
This letter says nothing useful for NRTL's and always includes This 
acknowledgement does not constitute approval or the document.
The FEDS are disavowing any level of conformity assessment, and the 
NRTL's I use tell me they can't use it, even for an unrecognized componet, yet 
the vendors are insistent that I am the only unaccepting curmudgeon in the 
entire universe 
  
 We have seen the same situation.  The FDA usually provides us an accession 
letter.  Which essentially says that they've received our CDRH Laser Device 
submittal and they'll get back to us with a review letter if they see any 
problems.  We almost NEVER see the review letter; and we have probably 
hundreds of different models submitted to the FDA. Furthermore, the FDA does 
not feel obligated to provide the review letter.  As a practical matter, they 
have limited staff; so they concentrate their efforts on laser light shows, 
medical lasers and high power lasers that can really do some damage.  They 
hardly have time for our little class one OTDR lasers. According to John 
Juhasz, whom I have talked to on this subject, they may provide the review 
letter if you harass them a little bit.  

So we are in the same catch-22.  The FDA might not provide the review letter; 
and the NRTL might not accept the accession letter. If you can't get the review 
letter,  third party testing of your laser device is an option.  Or perhaps, 
you could get the NRTL to audit your own in-house testing (this is strictly 
hypothetical).  I can share with you some particulars such as names, test cost 
and other gory details if you want to contact me offline.  

Hope this helps.

Chris Maxwell | Design Engineer - Optical Division
email chris.maxw...@nettest.com | dir +1 315 266 5128 | fax +1 315 797 8024

NetTest | 6 Rhoads Drive, Utica, NY 13502 | USA
web www.nettest.com | tel +1 315 797 4449 | 




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Employment tricks

2002-05-16 Thread Neil Helsby


Some years ago I had an interesting experience. At the first 
interview, things didn't seem to go very well and I was surprised to 
be called back for a second interview.


It then transpired that the departmental manager had been briefed to 
interview potential candidates and draw up a short list. At this 
second stage, the MD would take part and select the candidate to whom 
the job would be offered. The manager, having decided on the engineer 
he wanted, proceeded to add the most unlikely candidates to this 
short list! Ok for him - a waste of time for the rest.


Regards,

Neil Helsby


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RE: EMC and LV Directives online

2002-05-16 Thread info

Links to the European Commission's website have already been posted but FYI
the UK Government has produced some documents called Product Standards
... which are supposed to be a rewrite of the UK regulations in plainer
English.  The technical parts of the National Regulations are identical (or
at least they should be) to the Directives, but also include additional
information in such areas as enforcement etc. in that Country which are not
in the Directive.  These documents can be downloaded from:

http://www.dti.gov.uk/strd/strdpubs.htm#emc

Best regards

Glenn Moffat

TUV International UK
TÜV Rheinland/Berlin-Brandenburg Group Ltd
24 Bennetts Hill
Birmingham B2 5QP
United Kingdom

Tel:  +44-121-634-8000
Fax:  +44-121-634-8080
Web:  www.uk.tuv.com

Greetings EMC/Product Safety Gurus!

Does anyone know if the EMC Directive and Low Voltage Directive texts are
available online?

Thanks!

Randy Flinders
Electromagnetic Compatibility Engineer

Emulex Corporation - We Network Storage
3535 Harbor Blvd.
Costa Mesa, Ca. 92626

Direct:  (714) 513-8012
Fax: (714) 513-8265
Email:   randall.flind...@emulex.com mailto:randall.flind...@emulex.com
Web:  http://www.emulex.com

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Re: Surplus EMC Test Equipment available

2002-05-16 Thread Ken Javor
As a small business, a business of one, to borrow a larger organization's 
slogan, I appreciate such postings.

--
From: Michael Taylor mtay...@hach.com
To: 'emc-p...@ieee.org' emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: Surplus EMC Test Equipment available
List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org
Date: Wed, May 15, 2002, 5:59 PM



Greetings all.  Risking the wrath of some list members, I am posting a list
of surplus EMC test equipment.  I hope no one takes this as a business
offering, which it is not.

I would prefer these items to go to a working lab instead of just being sold
off to a broker.
The recent assimilation of another company into the Danaher Corp. Collective
has resulted in several EMC Test equipment items declared surplus.

These items are all in like new condition and guaranteed working to spec.
If anyone has any interest in these items please contact me off-line.
No reasonable offer refused.
Below is a list of items. (with the understanding the list is preliminary
and may change subject to upper management decisions over which I have no
control)

Items 1  2 are available now.   Items 3-14 will not be available for 30-35
days. (I was directed to list them now)
Thank you for your understanding in this listing.
Michael Taylor
Colorado
mtay...@hach.com
970-663-1377 ext 2646

 items available now 
1. Lindgren shield room (2 years old) 16' L x 12' W x 10' H w/ 4' door
(unlined), 2x 30A filters  two 12 wave guide air vents.

Buyer responsible for disassembly  removal prior to 7/30/02.
Located in Wisconsin.
2. TEM Cell, Voltek G-STRIP 4'x4'x4' in good condition.

 the following are scheduled for surplus in the next 30 days.
3. Schaffner NSG 1025 EFT/Surge Generator w/ 2 CDN's
4. Schaffner CDN-125 EFT Coupling Clamp
5. EMCO 20A LISN
6. SOLAR 24A  LISN
7. Chase MA2050B LISN
8. KeyTek Mini-Zap ESD gun (complete kit)
9. Advantest 3 Ghz Spectrum analyzer
10. HP L1500 / 4401A 1.5 Ghz Spectrum Analyzer
11. HP 7 series System Spectrum Analyzer (a great system EMC Analyzer
for an automated test system)
w/  70206A   Graphics Display unit
70001A   Mainframe
70300A   Tracking Gen.
70621A   Preamp (10Hz-3 Ghz)
70904A   RF Section
70400A   Local Osc.
70902A   IF (10Hz-300Khz)
70903A   IF (100Khz-3Mhz)
12. HP 8648A Signal Gen. (9K-1Ghz)
13. Marconi Signal Gen.  2022E (9K-1Ghz)
14. Elgar, SW-5250 Programmable AC Power Source, 40Hz-400Hz 3phase
@1750VA/phase (can be ganged for 18A -1 phase @ 366V) for harmonics,
flicker,  Power Qual.

15  Fischer Communications,  model BCICF-1,  Injection Clamp Calibration
Fixture.
end of list 


Re: Some slightly disturbing interview news ...

2002-05-16 Thread Ken Javor

Happened to me personally, but not in Silly Valley.

--
From: Doug McKean dmck...@corp.auspex.com
To: EMC-PSTC Discussion Group emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: Some slightly disturbing interview news ...
Date: Wed, May 15, 2002, 6:45 PM



 Times are tough all round but there's no need to
 make things tougher.  Here in Silly Valley, things
 are tough and I have made some attempts to
 find a few people jobs in my spare time. These
 are people I know personally.  I'm sure I'm
 not alone in this venture.  I'm sure most if not
 everyone on this list would also help.

 One headhunter who called me wanted to know if
 I was just plain nuts or just some sort of a good guy
 handing a job offer off to someone I knew who was
 looking. I told him it was none of his business smirk,
 just make sure to give so-and-so a call. Which they do.

 Unfortunately, what I have personally experienced
 in the past (rarely), and what appears to be happening
 at least with a few of companies currently is the following ...

 EMC job opening is posted. Resumes are sent.
 A few candidates are selected for interviews.
 Most of the interview centers on questions about
 how to solve some problems that are being
 experienced by said company. Then there's a
 decision not to hire anyone. Purchase req for
 new hires is closed. All candidates are rejected.

 A few months later, same company goes through
 the whole thing again.  Only this time, there's a
 different set of questions to problems all being
 experienced by said company. Both sets of questions
 involving how-would-you-solve-this type of problems.

 I'm sure most of you know where I'm going with this.
 At the end of the day, the company or whoever in the
 company, has their solution or solutions.

 I'm not crying about this.  My questions are ...
 Comes with the turf?
 Are you surprised to hear such a thing?
 Not surprised?
 Has is happened to you?
 Heard that it does happen but rarely and with
 some other company somewhere else?
 Happens all the time?
 Never happens?
 You gotta be kidden?
 So that's what that was all about!  Thanks.
 Yea, but whaddaya gonna do about it?
 Well, if it does happen, so much the
 better I don't work there ...
 Etc ...

 Regards, Doug McKean



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Re: Some slightly disturbing interview news ...

2002-05-16 Thread Frank Krozel

Doug:
Good points on the companies looking for a quick solution to a long term
problem.  I would not buy stock in companies that solve EMC mysteries like
that...
This brings to mind employment in the EMC community in my area I have
been doing referrals and resumes as a courtesy for a few years now in the
Chicago area.  In fact our website has an area there specifically for
Engineers looking for a job.
As an Electrical Engineer myself, I always try to help our community, and
actually have placed six or so people in the last year.  Not for profit,
just to help out fellow engineers.
If an Engineer is out of work, I will open my company books to him or her
(none yet) to help the situation out.  If they are just looking, but still
employed, then the resume is kept on file waiting anyone that is looking for
an engineer.
In the Chicago land area, the business climate is tough.  The Governor
stated this evening this is the worst time for the Illinois area in the past
48 years.  My comments to engineers now is if you have a job - keep it!
While I have been called by a many recruiters, most are not a great help.
Networking seems to work best.
Take care, maybe see you in Minneapolis.
Frank Krozel (part of the silent EMC Community...)
Voice: 630-924-1600
Fax: 630-924-1668
Cell: 630-890-5421 24/7 hours
Home: 630-653-9090
Electronic Instrument Associates-Central, Inc.
website: http://www.electronicinstrument.com
Serving the Midwest since 1971 with Electrical Engineers


- Original Message -
From: Doug McKean dmck...@corp.auspex.com
To: EMC-PSTC Discussion Group emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 6:45 PM
Subject: Some slightly disturbing interview news ...



 Times are tough all round but there's no need to
 make things tougher.  Here in Silly Valley, things
 are tough and I have made some attempts to
 find a few people jobs in my spare time. These
 are people I know personally.  I'm sure I'm
 not alone in this venture.  I'm sure most if not
 everyone on this list would also help.

 One headhunter who called me wanted to know if
 I was just plain nuts or just some sort of a good guy
 handing a job offer off to someone I knew who was
 looking. I told him it was none of his business smirk,
 just make sure to give so-and-so a call. Which they do.

 Unfortunately, what I have personally experienced
 in the past (rarely), and what appears to be happening
 at least with a few of companies currently is the following ...

 EMC job opening is posted. Resumes are sent.
 A few candidates are selected for interviews.
 Most of the interview centers on questions about
 how to solve some problems that are being
 experienced by said company. Then there's a
 decision not to hire anyone. Purchase req for
 new hires is closed. All candidates are rejected.

 A few months later, same company goes through
 the whole thing again.  Only this time, there's a
 different set of questions to problems all being
 experienced by said company. Both sets of questions
 involving how-would-you-solve-this type of problems.

 I'm sure most of you know where I'm going with this.
 At the end of the day, the company or whoever in the
 company, has their solution or solutions.

 I'm not crying about this.  My questions are ...
 Comes with the turf?
 Are you surprised to hear such a thing?
 Not surprised?
 Has is happened to you?
 Heard that it does happen but rarely and with
 some other company somewhere else?
 Happens all the time?
 Never happens?
 You gotta be kidden?
 So that's what that was all about!  Thanks.
 Yea, but whaddaya gonna do about it?
 Well, if it does happen, so much the
 better I don't work there ...
 Etc ...

 Regards, Doug McKean



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RE: Surplus EMC Test Equipment available

2002-05-16 Thread Kazimier_Gawrzyjal
I'm planning a garage sale sooncan I post a list too?
 
 
My opinion and not that of my employer.
 
Regards,
Kaz Gawrzyjal
 
-Original Message-
From: Michael Taylor [mailto:mtay...@hach.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 6:00 PM
To: 'emc-p...@ieee.org'
Subject: Surplus EMC Test Equipment available



Greetings all.  Risking the wrath of some list members, I am posting a list
of surplus EMC test equipment.  I hope no one takes this as a business
offering, which it is not.

I would prefer these items to go to a working lab instead of just being sold
off to a broker. 
The recent assimilation of another company into the Danaher Corp. Collective
has resulted in several EMC Test equipment items declared surplus.  

These items are all in like new condition and guaranteed working to spec. 
If anyone has any interest in these items please contact me off-line. 
No reasonable offer refused. 
Below is a list of items. (with the understanding the list is preliminary
and may change subject to upper management decisions over which I have no
control)

Items 1  2 are available now.   Items 3-14 will not be available for 30-35
days. (I was directed to list them now) 
Thank you for your understanding in this listing. 
Michael Taylor 
Colorado 
mtay...@hach.com 
970-663-1377 ext 2646 
 
 items available now  
1. Lindgren shield room (2 years old) 16' L x 12' W x 10' H w/ 4' door
(unlined), 2x 30A filters  two 12 wave guide air vents.

Buyer responsible for disassembly  removal prior to 7/30/02.
Located in Wisconsin. 
2. TEM Cell, Voltek G-STRIP 4'x4'x4' in good condition. 

 the following are scheduled for surplus in the next 30 days. 
3. Schaffner NSG 1025 EFT/Surge Generator w/ 2 CDN's 
4. Schaffner CDN-125 EFT Coupling Clamp 
5. EMCO 20A LISN 
6. SOLAR 24A  LISN 
7. Chase MA2050B LISN 
8. KeyTek Mini-Zap ESD gun (complete kit) 
9. Advantest 3 Ghz Spectrum analyzer 
10. HP L1500 / 4401A 1.5 Ghz Spectrum Analyzer 
11. HP 7 series System Spectrum Analyzer (a great system EMC Analyzer
for an automated test system) 
w/  70206A   Graphics Display unit 
70001A   Mainframe 
70300A   Tracking Gen. 
70621A   Preamp (10Hz-3 Ghz) 
70904A   RF Section 
70400A   Local Osc. 
70902A   IF (10Hz-300Khz) 
70903A   IF (100Khz-3Mhz) 
12. HP 8648A Signal Gen. (9K-1Ghz) 
13. Marconi Signal Gen.  2022E (9K-1Ghz) 
14. Elgar, SW-5250 Programmable AC Power Source, 40Hz-400Hz 3phase
@1750VA/phase (can be ganged for 18A -1 phase @ 366V) for harmonics,
flicker,  Power Qual.

15  Fischer Communications,  model BCICF-1,  Injection Clamp Calibration
Fixture. 
end of list 



Some slightly disturbing interview news ...

2002-05-16 Thread Doug McKean

Times are tough all round but there's no need to 
make things tougher.  Here in Silly Valley, things 
are tough and I have made some attempts to 
find a few people jobs in my spare time. These 
are people I know personally.  I'm sure I'm 
not alone in this venture.  I'm sure most if not 
everyone on this list would also help. 

One headhunter who called me wanted to know if 
I was just plain nuts or just some sort of a good guy 
handing a job offer off to someone I knew who was 
looking. I told him it was none of his business smirk, 
just make sure to give so-and-so a call. Which they do. 

Unfortunately, what I have personally experienced 
in the past (rarely), and what appears to be happening 
at least with a few of companies currently is the following ... 

EMC job opening is posted. Resumes are sent. 
A few candidates are selected for interviews. 
Most of the interview centers on questions about 
how to solve some problems that are being 
experienced by said company. Then there's a 
decision not to hire anyone. Purchase req for 
new hires is closed. All candidates are rejected.  

A few months later, same company goes through 
the whole thing again.  Only this time, there's a 
different set of questions to problems all being 
experienced by said company. Both sets of questions 
involving how-would-you-solve-this type of problems. 

I'm sure most of you know where I'm going with this. 
At the end of the day, the company or whoever in the 
company, has their solution or solutions. 

I'm not crying about this.  My questions are ... 
Comes with the turf? 
Are you surprised to hear such a thing? 
Not surprised? 
Has is happened to you? 
Heard that it does happen but rarely and with 
some other company somewhere else? 
Happens all the time? 
Never happens? 
You gotta be kidden? 
So that's what that was all about!  Thanks. 
Yea, but whaddaya gonna do about it? 
Well, if it does happen, so much the 
better I don't work there ... 
Etc ... 

Regards, Doug McKean 



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Surplus EMC Test Equipment available

2002-05-16 Thread Michael Taylor
Greetings all.  Risking the wrath of some list members, I am posting a list
of surplus EMC test equipment.  I hope no one takes this as a business
offering, which it is not.
I would prefer these items to go to a working lab instead of just being sold
off to a broker.
The recent assimilation of another company into the Danaher Corp. Collective
has resulted in several EMC Test equipment items declared surplus.  
These items are all in like new condition and guaranteed working to spec.
If anyone has any interest in these items please contact me off-line.
No reasonable offer refused.
Below is a list of items. (with the understanding the list is preliminary
and may change subject to upper management decisions over which I have no
control)
Items 1  2 are available now.   Items 3-14 will not be available for 30-35
days. (I was directed to list them now)
Thank you for your understanding in this listing.
Michael Taylor
Colorado
mtay...@hach.com
970-663-1377 ext 2646

 items available now 
1. Lindgren shield room (2 years old) 16' L x 12' W x 10' H w/ 4' door
(unlined), 2x 30A filters  two 12 wave guide air vents.
Buyer responsible for disassembly  removal prior to 7/30/02.
Located in Wisconsin.
2. TEM Cell, Voltek G-STRIP 4'x4'x4' in good condition.

 the following are scheduled for surplus in the next 30 days.
3. Schaffner NSG 1025 EFT/Surge Generator w/ 2 CDN's
4. Schaffner CDN-125 EFT Coupling Clamp
5. EMCO 20A LISN
6. SOLAR 24A  LISN
7. Chase MA2050B LISN
8. KeyTek Mini-Zap ESD gun (complete kit)
9. Advantest 3 Ghz Spectrum analyzer
10. HP L1500 / 4401A 1.5 Ghz Spectrum Analyzer
11. HP 7 series System Spectrum Analyzer (a great system EMC Analyzer
for an automated test system)
w/  70206A   Graphics Display unit
70001A   Mainframe
70300A   Tracking Gen.
70621A   Preamp (10Hz-3 Ghz)
70904A   RF Section
70400A   Local Osc.
70902A   IF (10Hz-300Khz)
70903A   IF (100Khz-3Mhz)
12. HP 8648A Signal Gen. (9K-1Ghz)
13. Marconi Signal Gen.  2022E (9K-1Ghz)
14. Elgar, SW-5250 Programmable AC Power Source, 40Hz-400Hz 3phase
@1750VA/phase (can be ganged for 18A -1 phase @ 366V) for harmonics,
flicker,  Power Qual.
15  Fischer Communications,  model BCICF-1,  Injection Clamp Calibration
Fixture.
end of list