RE: Heretical Views of Product Safety Orthodoxy
Ah yes indeed! and it applies to EMC engineers also. The irony is that once you've been in a Compliance position, either Safety or EMC, you can never get away from the stigma. You will always be tagged to do the Compliance work. Enjoy! - Bill You can say what you want about the South, but you never hear of anyone retiring and moving North!!! --- On Thu, 8/21/08, Brian O'Connell oconne...@tamuracorp.com wrote: From: Brian O'Connell oconne...@tamuracorp.com Subject: RE: Heretical Views of Product Safety Orthodoxy To: emc-p...@ieee.org Date: Thursday, August 21, 2008, 6:13 PM Attending puts you at the risk of conversion to a heretical viewpoint of product safety. The Director of Engineering, sometimes refers to me as 'the heretic' and other times as 'the subversive'. Is the pariah existence my lot in life if I stay in compliance engineering ? Brian - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: Heretical Views of Product Safety Orthodoxy
In message 221799.42966...@web39606.mail.mud.yahoo.com, dated Fri, 22 Aug 2008, Bill Owsley wdows...@yahoo.com writes: You can say what you want about the South, but you never hear of anyone retiring and moving North!!! Not even in Chile? (;-) -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and www.isce.org.uk Either we are causing global warming, in which case we may be able to stop it, or natural variation is causing it, and we probably can't stop it. You choose! John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Teleproducts
Happy Friday everyone, I am attempting to locate a company called Teleproducts (or Tele Products) that makes (made) telecom test equipment. I have one of their units (an ATS 1000 Approval Test System) that is in need of repair. It is an analog telecom tester. Search engines have not helped me locate them. If anyone knows their whereabouts I’d appreciate a contact. This is one piece of equipment that makes up a Genesys PSTN21 system and Genesys has apparently gone belly up in the UK. I found references to them on the web site of a company in Singapore but tech support pleas for help to that company have gone unanswered. Thanks in advance. -- Dan Roman, N.C.E. Regulatory Engineer Dialogic, Inc. 1515 State Rt. 10 Parsippany, NJ 07054-4538 *mailto:dan.ro...@dialogic.com mailto:dan.ro...@intel.com (Voice: +1 973-967-6485 Fax: +1 973-967-6262 Intranet: http://compliance.eicon.com/ http://compliance.py.intel.com/ Internet: http://www.dialogic.com http //www.intel.com/design/network/products/telecom/index.htm - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: Teleproducts
In message e096369d937d3a4db271b382850c5c5f07acd...@pysmail.eicon.com, dated Fri, 22 Aug 2008, Daniel Roman dan.ro...@dialogic.com writes: I am attempting to locate a company called Teleproducts (or Tele Products) that makes (made) telecom test equipment. I have one of their units (an ATS 1000 Approval Test System) that is in need of repair. It is an analog telecom tester. Search engines have not helped me locate them. If anyone knows their whereabouts I?d appreciate a contact. Google didn't take long: http://www.tele-products.com/ However, a search for ATS1000 was not fruitful. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and www.isce.org.uk Either we are causing global warming, in which case we may be able to stop it, or natural variation is causing it, and we probably can't stop it. You choose! John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
[SPAM] Re: Teleproducts
Hi Daniel, If no one on the list can supply the info try checking the incorporation data from the state or country listed on the label. For example; if Teleproducts were located in New Jersey at the time of manufacture the NJ Secretary of State records should show if they are out of business or have been bought by another company. Scott B. Lacey On 22 Aug 2008 at 14:41, Daniel Roman wrote: Happy Friday everyone, I am attempting to locate a company called Teleproducts (or Tele Products) that makes (made) telecom test equipment. I have one of their units (an ATS 1000 Approval Test System) that is in need of repair.It is an analog telecom tester. Search engines have not helped me locate them. If anyone knows their whereabouts I´d appreciate a contact. This is one piece of equipment that makes up a Genesys PSTN21 system and Genesys has apparently gone belly up in the UK. I found references to them on the web site of a company in Singapore but tech support pleas for help to that company have gone unanswered. Thanks in advance. -- Dan Roman, N.C.E. Regulatory Engineer Dialogic, Inc. 1515 State Rt. 10 Parsippany, NJ 07054-4538 *mailto:dan.ro...@dialogic.com (Voice: +1 973-967-6485 Fax: +1 973-967-6262 Intranet: http://compliance.eicon.com/ Internet: http://www.dialogic.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: Heretical Views of Product Safety Orthodoxy
Hi Brian: The Director of Engineering, sometimes refers to me as 'the heretic' and other times as 'the subversive'. In this sense, your Director is viewing product safety as heretical (or subversive) to the engineering discipline. Within the product safety discipline, views contrary to safety standards and certification houses can be considered heresy. Best regards, Rich - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
TV-1 ROCKET SWITCH ILLUMINATED
All, I have a product that is currently under an UL Investigation TO THE UL STANDARD 2044 (CCTV) I NEED TO FIND A MANUFACTURER OF A TV-1 SWITCH. SPECIFICALLY IT NEEDS TO HAVE... TV-1 SWITCH 1) ILLUMINATION 2) ROCKET SWITCH 3) Current Range .5 - 1amp MUST HAVE TV-1 RATING AND UL RECOGNIZED COMPONENT Best Regards, Reg Henry Reginald Henry Electrical Engineer P Please think before printing this e-mail Tel: (631) 952-2288Ext: 310 Tel: (800) 645-9116Ext: 310 Web: http://www.vicon-cctv.com/ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This transmission may contain information that is privileged, confidential and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the information contained herein (including any reliance thereof) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please immediately contact the sender and destroy the material in it's entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. The views expressed in this communication may not necessarily be the views held by the company. Thank you. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: Teleproducts
Hi Daniel, We have a PSTN 21 system also and when Genesys went belly up a new company with limited resources to look after Genesys products was formed by the former principal of Genesys. You can contact him at Evans Test Engineering Turnkey Test Measurement Solutions Unit 15 Victoria House Blaenavon NP4 9RL Tel: +44 8704 795063 Fax: +44 8704 795631 skype: nick_evans_uk email: n...@evanstest.co.uk mailto:n...@evanstest.co.uk From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Daniel Roman Sent: August 22, 2008 2:41 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Teleproducts Happy Friday everyone, I am attempting to locate a company called Teleproducts (or Tele Products) that makes (made) telecom test equipment. I have one of their units (an ATS 1000 Approval Test System) that is in need of repair. It is an analog telecom tester. Search engines have not helped me locate them. If anyone knows their whereabouts I’d appreciate a contact. This is one piece of equipment that makes up a Genesys PSTN21 system and Genesys has apparently gone belly up in the UK. I found references to them on the web site of a company in Singapore but tech support pleas for help to that company have gone unanswered. Thanks in advance. -- Dan Roman, N.C.E. Regulatory Engineer Dialogic, Inc. 1515 State Rt. 10 Parsippany, NJ 07054-4538 *mailto:dan.ro...@dialogic.com mailto:dan.ro...@intel.com (Voice: +1 973-967-6485 Fax: +1 973-967-6262 Intranet: http://compliance.eicon.com/ http://compliance.py.intel.com/ Internet: http://www.dialogic.com http //www.intel.com/design/network/products/telecom/index.htm - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: TV-1 ROCKET SWITCH ILLUMINATED
If you have not tried this yet... http://database.ul.com/cgi-bin/XYV/template/LISEXT/1FRAME/index.html enter tv-1 into the keyword search for a view of company namesmight be of use I did not print the e-mail :) Regards, Kaz Dell Inc. From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Reginald Henry Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 3:18 PM To: owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: TV-1 ROCKET SWITCH ILLUMINATED All, I have a product that is currently under an UL Investigation TO THE UL STANDARD 2044 (CCTV) I NEED TO FIND A MANUFACTURER OF A TV-1 SWITCH. SPECIFICALLY IT NEEDS TO HAVE... TV-1 SWITCH 1) ILLUMINATION 2) ROCKET SWITCH 3) Current Range .5 - 1amp MUST HAVE TV-1 RATING AND UL RECOGNIZED COMPONENT Best Regards, Reg Henry Reginald Henry Electrical Engineer P Please think before printing this e-mail Tel: (631) 952-2288Ext: 310 Tel: (800) 645-9116Ext: 310 Web: http://www.vicon-cctv.com/ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This transmission may contain information that is privileged, confidential and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the information contained herein (including any reliance thereof) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please immediately contact the sender and destroy the material in it's entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. The views expressed in this communication may not necessarily be the views held by the company. Thank you. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: TV-1 ROCKET SWITCH ILLUMINATED
Hello Reginald, Just go to the UL Certifications Database (at www.ul.com) and put TV-1 into the field called Keyword (it's the last one on the data input page). The results yield 4 listings, one for a US company, the others in Japan. Regards, Art Michael http://www.safeytlink.com The web's most comprehensive collection of electrical product safety and standards resources = On Fri, 22 Aug 2008, Reginald Henry wrote: All, I have a product that is currently under an UL Investigation TO THE UL STANDARD 2044 (CCTV) I NEED TO FIND A MANUFACTURER OF A TV-1 SWITCH. SPECIFICALLY IT NEEDS TO HAVE... TV-1 SWITCH 1) ILLUMINATION 2) ROCKET SWITCH 3) Current Range .5 - 1amp MUST HAVE TV-1 RATING AND UL RECOGNIZED COMPONENT Best Regards, Reg Henry Reginald Henry Electrical Engineer P Please think before printing this e-mail Tel: (631) 952-2288Ext: 310 Tel: (800) 645-9116Ext: 310 Web: http://www.vicon-cctv.com/ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This transmission may contain information that is privileged, confidential and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the information contained herein (including any reliance thereof) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please immediately contact the sender and destroy the material in it's entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. The views expressed in this communication may not necessarily be the views held by the company. Thank you. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: Heretical Views of Product Safety Orthodoxy
In message 11150509.409081219433570870.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web07-z02, dated Fri, 22 Aug 2008, Richard Nute rn...@san.rr.com writes: Within the product safety discipline, views contrary to safety standards and certification houses can be considered heresy. I would very strongly NOT consider them so. In another forum, we have a militant 'priest' denouncing as 'heresy' any technique that he doesn't find written in his chosen 'book of wisdom'. Naturally, since he is the custodian of the absolute revealed truth, he does not balk at embroidering it in order to convert the infidels. The participants in the standards process continually find lack of clarity, and even what some might call actual errors, in published standards, and cases of wrong interpretation by test houses occur regularly. This highlights a basic problem with certification bodies, because in matters of determining what some less-than-explicit wording means they tend to be prosecution, judge and jury, so cannot be wrong. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and www.isce.org.uk Either we are causing global warming, in which case we may be able to stop it, or natural variation is causing it, and we probably can't stop it. You choose! John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
