[PSES] Spare parts and EMC directive
I'm looking for some guidance regarding spare parts and CE marking / EMC directive. Can't find any spare part discussion in latest EMC guideline (2010), but I find some text in the old 89/336/EC guideline. Anyone who have seen such an updated guideline for how to handle spare parts? Thanks! #Amund - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
[PSES] Ethernet Loading
We have a rather convoluted way to load the ethernet lines to meet EN55022. Sec 9.6.3. I've looked on Google and found a few ping and data copy programmes, but I can't find a single program to do it all. I am hoping someone has found a simple program to make loading the port easy and getting the 10% traffic. Thanks in advance for any pointers. Julian Julian Jones Hursley EMC Services Tel: 023 8027 ddi: 023 8024 0851 Mob: 07787 523 607 julian.jo...@hursley-emc.co.ukmailto:julian.jo...@hursley-emc.co.uk Trafalgar House, Trafalgar Close, Chandlers Ford EASTLEIGH, Hampshire, SO53 4BW Company Registration 3301279 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Ethernet Loading
On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 11:33:43 +, Julian Jones ju...@hursley-emc.co.uk wrote: We have a rather convoluted way to load the ethernet lines to meet EN55022. Sec 9.6.3. I've looked on Google and found a few ping and data copy programmes, but I can't find a single program to do it all. I am hoping someone has found a simple program to make loading the port easy and getting the 10% traffic. I have one, if you don't hesitate to use Linux or similar ones: http://homepage3.nifty.com/tsato/tools/pingspray.html Regards, Tom -- Tomonori Sato vef00...@nifty.ne.jp URL: http://homepage3.nifty.com/tsato/ - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Ethernet Loading
Hi Julian, EN55032 notes in table B.3 that the 10% utilisation is specifically for 10Base-T Ethernet traffic which is electrically mostly inactive when not transmitting data. 100Base-T and 1000Base-T both use scrambled_idle packets to maintain a 0V DC bias of the AC coupled Ethernet bus meaning they are constantly active. This is good enough for testing the emissions caused by the PHY/connector/cable part of a design but probably not the MAC and upstream (i.e. the bit that generates and handles the data). So perhaps this only need be a concern if you are testing 10Base-T specifically. Anyway that wasn't what you asked. If using Linux you could investigate using iperf to generate traffic and tc to throttle the traffic to a manageable level. Being Linux commands they are free and generally well documented. Also, if anyone has a copy of the report referenced in 55022 / 55032 for this clause I'd be interested in having a look. [7] Haas, Lee Christensen, Ken, LAN Traffic Conditions for EMI Compliance Testing, IBM Corporation, Research Triangle Park, NC. Hope this helps James Pawson EchoStar Europe From: Julian Jones [mailto:ju...@hursley-emc.co.uk] Sent: 11 March 2014 11:34 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Ethernet Loading We have a rather convoluted way to load the ethernet lines to meet EN55022. Sec 9.6.3. I've looked on Google and found a few ping and data copy programmes, but I can't find a single program to do it all. I am hoping someone has found a simple program to make loading the port easy and getting the 10% traffic. Thanks in advance for any pointers. Julian Julian Jones Hursley EMC Services Tel: 023 8027 ddi: 023 8024 0851 Mob: 07787 523 607 julian.jo...@hursley-emc.co.ukmailto:julian.jo...@hursley-emc.co.uk Trafalgar House, Trafalgar Close, Chandlers Ford EASTLEIGH, Hampshire, SO53 4BW Company Registration 3301279 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.orgmailto:emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe)http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.netmailto:emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.orgmailto:mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.orgmailto:j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.commailto:dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Spare parts and EMC directive
Amund, I think the key to the spare parts issue for the EMC directive is in the definition of apparatus. Flowchart 2 in the guidance document does a good job of helping with classification of items as apparatus or not. The answer depends partially on what *you* mean by spare part, and particularly who is intended to do the replacing. Regards, Lauren Crane KLA-Tencor From: Amund Westin [mailto:am...@westin-emission.no] Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 3:10 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Spare parts and EMC directive I'm looking for some guidance regarding spare parts and CE marking / EMC directive. Can't find any spare part discussion in latest EMC guideline (2010), but I find some text in the old 89/336/EC guideline. Anyone who have seen such an updated guideline for how to handle spare parts? Thanks! #Amund - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.orgmailto:emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe)http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.netmailto:emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.orgmailto:mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.orgmailto:j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.commailto:dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Spare parts and EMC directive
Amund, The Blue Guide (circa 2000) says: Products which have been repaired (for example following a defect), without changing the original performance, purpose or type, are not to be considered as new products according to New Approach directives. Thus, such products need not undergo conformity assessment, whether or not the original product was placed on the market before or after the directive entered into force. This applies even if the product has been temporarily exported to a third county for the repair operations. Such operations are often carried out by replacing a defective or worn item by a spare part, which either is identical, or at least similar, to the original spare part (for example modifications may have taken place due to technical progress, or discontinued production of the old part). Thus, maintenance operations are basically excluded from the scope of the directives. However, at the design stage of the product the intended use and maintenance must be taken into account (23). Jim __ James L. Knighten, Ph.D. EMC Engineer Teradata Corporation 17095 Via Del Campo San Diego, CA 92127 858-485-2537 - phone 858-485-3788 - fax (unattended) From: Amund Westin [mailto:am...@westin-emission.no] Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 1:10 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Spare parts and EMC directive I'm looking for some guidance regarding spare parts and CE marking / EMC directive. Can't find any spare part discussion in latest EMC guideline (2010), but I find some text in the old 89/336/EC guideline. Anyone who have seen such an updated guideline for how to handle spare parts? Thanks! #Amund - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.orgmailto:emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe)http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.netmailto:emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.orgmailto:mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.orgmailto:j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.commailto:dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Spare parts and EMC directive
In message 000601cf3d01$5dfc2120$19f46360$@westin-emission.no, dated Tue, 11 Mar 2014, Amund Westin am...@westin-emission.no writes: Can?t find any spare part discussion in latest EMC guideline (2010), but I find some text in the old 89/336/EC guideline. A strange omission. However, at the practical level, if you are supplying spare parts, make that clear on the invoice: These goods are spare parts for our product model XYZ. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best wishes. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Nondum ex silvis sumus John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Spare parts and EMC directive
The EMC Working Party issued a guidance document regarding aftermarket parts and spare parts in relation to the EMC and EMC Vehicle Directives. This document gives a clearer statement on the applicability of 2004/108/EC to spare parts. The document is written in regards to automotive parts, but it gives a better idea of how the EMC Directive should be interpreted. http://ec.europa.eu/DocsRoom/documents/4543/attachments/1/translations/en/renditions/native I realized that this does not directly answer the question since it is automotive related. I am only offering it as evidence that the current interpretations regarding spare parts continue to be similar to the previous interpretations. Ted Eckert Compliance Engineer Microsoft Corporation ted.eck...@microsoft.commailto:ted.eck...@microsoft.com The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer. -Original Message- From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 9:07 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Spare parts and EMC directive In message 000601cf3d01$5dfc2120$19f46360$@westin-emission.nomailto:000601cf3d01$5dfc2120$19f46360$@westin-emission.no, dated Tue, 11 Mar 2014, Amund Westin am...@westin-emission.nomailto:am...@westin-emission.no writes: Can?t find any spare part discussion in latest EMC guideline (2010), but I find some text in the old 89/336/EC guideline. A strange omission. However, at the practical level, if you are supplying spare parts, make that clear on the invoice: These goods are spare parts for our product model XYZ. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best wishes. See www.jmwa.demon.co.ukhttp://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Nondum ex silvis sumus John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.orgmailto:emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.netmailto:emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.orgmailto:mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.orgmailto:j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.commailto:dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Ethernet Loading
Either of the two previous suggestions (pingspray and iperf) should provide most of what is needed. Both are written in C. Note that iperf can directly be used from command line, but also can be used as a library; so a solution to any special requirements can be had on the machine with gcc. Have seen iperf go crazy in daemon mode, so be careful with how it is used. And have seen some pre-compiled versions of iperf for windoze, but not certain if this will work well for client-side install. There are also Python versions, but have not used because am dubious of timing accuracy for the global lock. If ya wanna do some real noisy stuff, there is netperf. Brian From: Julian Jones [mailto:ju...@hursley-emc.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 4:34 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Ethernet Loading We have a rather convoluted way to load the ethernet lines to meet EN55022. Sec 9.6.3. I've looked on Google and found a few ping and data copy programmes, but I can't find a single program to do it all. I am hoping someone has found a simple program to make loading the port easy and getting the 10% traffic. Thanks in advance for any pointers. Julian Julian Jones Hursley EMC Services Tel: 023 8027 ddi: 023 8024 0851 Mob: 07787 523 607 julian.jo...@hursley-emc.co.uk Trafalgar House, Trafalgar Close, Chandlers Ford EASTLEIGH, Hampshire, SO53 4BW Company Registration 3301279 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Critical Components definitions
Related to my original question, we normally keep the critical components list in the technical file. Looking at the 2006/42/EC New Machinery Directive Annex VII requirements for the technical file I don't see anything see anything that specifically refers to a critical components list. So I'm wonder where the interpretation of that requirement comes from and the details normally provided in the list. There is a reference calculation notes, test results, certificates, etc., required to check the conformity of the machinery with the essential health and safety requirements and any technical report giving the results of the tests carried out either by the manufacturer or by a body chosen by the manufacturer or his authorised representative,. Are the critical components lists including the manufacturer, their part number, applicable standards and NRTL markings that we normally include in the file for each component being used to fulfill the requirements for the above for purchased critical components? Or is it just customary to include this information in a critical components list and include the list in the technical file? thanks -Dave -Original Message- From: Brian Oconnell [mailto:oconne...@tamuracorp.com] Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 1:38 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Critical Components definitions Concur with Mr. Nute. Was once asked to provide a clear definition of a safety-critical component. To comprise a definition, provided a parametric and descriptive listing of 27 items. The last line was: 27. Any component or material or process that I deem critical to safety and/or critical to a regulatory requirement. Brian -Original Message- From: Richard Nute [mailto:ri...@ieee.org] Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2014 12:13 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Critical Components definitions Hi Dave: There are no standard definitions for critical components. However, do a Google search for critical components list and you will find a number of examples and opinions as to a definition of critical components. For example, http://www.tracglobal.com/sites/tracglobal.com/files/pdfs/componentacceptabilityforceproductsafety.pdf I prefer to think of a critical component as a safeguard. A safeguard is a component, part, or assembly that provides protection against one or more hazardous energy sources. Basic insulation, supplementary insulation, and reinforced insulation are safeguards against electric shock. Failure of a safeguard can lead to an injury, or calls into play a supplementary safeguard such as supplementary insulation or grounding. The enclosure may be a supplementary safeguard against electric shock or against spread of fire or against both. The point is, you must know the safety function of the component, part, or assembly before you can identify it as a safeguard or critical component. In practice, however, a critical component is any component the certification engineer says is a critical component. Best regards, Rich - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
[PSES] SV: [PSES] Spare parts and EMC directive
Thanks to all who replied. Just want to add a comment . Let's say that an apparatus is not in production anymore. The spare part could be the apparatus main board. If is identical with the original main board, we should expect that the EMC performance of the apparatus is still unchanged after the spare part has been installed. But what if the EMC requirements have been changed (more severe) since the apparatus originally was EMC tested. It's not possible to re-test the apparatus because it's not in production anymore and it's impossible to test the main board as a standalone unit. I assume you have to make an evaluation that deals with the consequence of new EMC requirements and thereafter let a Notified Body make an opinion. Such an evaluation should only include the spare part. The apparatus itself is already on the marked and new EMC requirements do not have any impact on it. But, maybe the evaluation is an easier task if it includes the complete apparatus. Does it sound as a reasonable route to follow? Best regards Amund Fra: Ted Eckert [mailto:ted.eck...@microsoft.com] Sendt: 11. mars 2014 17:48 Til: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Emne: Re: [PSES] Spare parts and EMC directive The EMC Working Party issued a guidance document regarding aftermarket parts and spare parts in relation to the EMC and EMC Vehicle Directives. This document gives a clearer statement on the applicability of 2004/108/EC to spare parts. The document is written in regards to automotive parts, but it gives a better idea of how the EMC Directive should be interpreted. http://ec.europa.eu/DocsRoom/documents/4543/attachments/1/translations/en/r enditions/native http://ec.europa.eu/DocsRoom/documents/4543/attachments/1/translations/en/re nditions/native I realized that this does not directly answer the question since it is automotive related. I am only offering it as evidence that the current interpretations regarding spare parts continue to be similar to the previous interpretations. Ted Eckert Compliance Engineer Microsoft Corporation mailto:ted.eck...@microsoft.com ted.eck...@microsoft.com The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer. -Original Message- From: John Woodgate [ mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 9:07 AM To: mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Spare parts and EMC directive In message mailto:000601cf3d01$5dfc2120$19f46360$@westin-emission.no 000601cf3d01$5dfc2120$19f46360$@westin-emission.no, dated Tue, 11 Mar 2014, Amund Westin mailto:am...@westin-emission.no am...@westin-emission.no writes: Can?t find any spare part discussion in latest EMC guideline (2010), but I find some text in the old 89/336/EC guideline. A strange omission. However, at the practical level, if you are supplying spare parts, make that clear on the invoice: These goods are spare parts for our product model XYZ. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best wishes. See http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Nondum ex silvis sumus John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas mailto:emcp...@radiusnorth.net emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mailto:mcantw...@ieee.org mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: mailto:dhe...@gmail.com dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used
