Re: [PSES] CE of battery equipment (Li-ion)

[CATHERINE PEARSON]

Hi Kim 
Its a interesting issue, but as a general guide I would apply the standard that 
is most applicable. IEC 62133 covers the requirements for batteries, if its not 
included in the LV directive, and there is not a better standard listed under 
that directive, or other applicable directive for your final product, I would 
recommend using it.
If the final product is not covered by the normal product directives, and 
covered by the General product safety directive, which I think says you should 
use the most applicable standard for the product, which bumps you back to IEC 
62133.  
Legally 
 if there is not one listed in the OJs and you have one that is state of the 
Art and deals with the risks and hazards appropriately, its legal to use that 
to support your claim of Compliance. 
And I would agree with you that battery devices are still not clearly covered 
leading to questions like yours.  
Regards Darren. 


 

On Tuesday, 8 March 2016, 13:18, Kim Boll Jensen  wrote:
 

 Hi all  Regarding 
especially Li-ion batteries and rechargeable batteries in general.  Battery 
equipment is not directly under LVD, but under 2001/95/EC General Product 
Safety directive we have EN 60950 and EN 60065, which includes safety of 
batteries, for some products but also excludes amongst other battery backup 
units.  But what about power-banks which in many cases have a USB connector for 
charging amongst other Smartphone's. How do we define safety requirements for 
the battery here?  There are also other products such as Seg 
Boards/Balanceboards which seem to be under the Machinery Directive, but still 
not under electrical safety requirements. How do we find requirements for the 
battery in these products.  IEC 62133 is used under the CB scheme and a EN 
version have been issued, but under which directive?  Several LVD standards 
requires that if a battery is used it shall be tested according to EN/IEC 
62133, but if the product is not under LVD how do this standard end as a legal 
requirement?  For me it seems that battery products have been forgotten in the 
EU safety requirements, or not so clearly addressed.  Please any comment on 
this is very welcome.   Best regards,  Kim Boll   -

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[PSES] CE of battery equipment (Li-ion)

[Kim Boll Jensen]

Hi all

 

Regarding especially Li-ion batteries and rechargeable batteries in general.

 

Battery equipment is not directly under LVD, but under 2001/95/EC General
Product Safety directive we have EN 60950 and EN 60065, which includes
safety of batteries, for some products but also excludes amongst other
battery backup units.

 

But what about power-banks which in many cases have a USB connector for
charging amongst other Smartphone's. How do we define safety requirements
for the battery here?

 

There are also other products such as Seg Boards/Balanceboards which seem to
be under the Machinery Directive, but still not under electrical safety
requirements. How do we find requirements for the battery in these products.

 

IEC 62133 is used under the CB scheme and a EN version have been issued, but
under which directive?

 

Several LVD standards requires that if a battery is used it shall be tested
according to EN/IEC 62133, but if the product is not under LVD how do this
standard end as a legal requirement?

 

For me it seems that battery products have been forgotten in the EU safety
requirements, or not so clearly addressed.

 

Please any comment on this is very welcome. 

 

Best regards,

 

Kim Boll

 


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Re: [PSES] Prototype batch ... CE applies?

[Michael Derby]

Hello Amund,

I agree that you should be CE Marking these devices, as they are placed on the 
market for normal use.

If there is any flexibility to be found, then maybe it is in your application 
of the Directive.

For example, the typical way to comply with the Directive would be to fully 
apply the tests within the harmonised standards and go through the whole 
process that way.   That gives you your presumption of conformity.

If your “normal use by normal end users” is just as it sounds; then fully 
testing to the harmonised standards does indeed sound like the best idea.

But if you really mean that a select few people will be using the products in 
controlled environments, and the manufacturer has some knowledge or control 
over that environment; then maybe you can look at ways to meet the directive 
without doing all the testing.

After all, if one of the purposes of your trial is to keep the product within 
the hands of a trials engineer and see if the engineer can use it daily without 
it being killed by ESD, then fully complying with the ESD tests beforehand 
might not be necessary.   …if you see what I mean.

I hope this makes some sense.

 

Michael.

 

 

From: Amund Westin [mailto:am...@westin-emission.no] 
Sent: 07 March 2016 08:56
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] Prototype batch ... CE applies?

 

Case:

Making the first prototype batch of equipment (covered by EMC and LVD). The 
limited numbers of items will be placed on the market for functional testing by 
normal end-users, before normal production starts.

Of course the CE applies, even for these prototype items. I cannot find any 
statement in the directive text or in the Blue Guide 2014, which gives granted 
exemption from the requirements. 

Exemption in the EMC directive for «Custom built evaluation kits destined for 
professionals to be used solely at research and development facilities for such 
purposes» does not match this actual case.

So, CE applies. Agree?

 

Best regards

Amund

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