Re: [PSES] Organize my standards => ISBN 13 Digit code

2017-07-14 Thread Brian O'Connell 
Am not certain that ICS numbers are unique to the various versions of same 
standard, or if they have same ubiquity as an ISBN. You would have to ask 
someone at the ISO to be certain if other than a generic classification system.

Brian


-Original Message-
From: Chuck August-McDowell [mailto:chu...@meyersound.com] 
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 1:37 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Organize my standards => ISBN 13 Digit code

Friday update.
My friend at the two letter lab sent this note when I ask for the ISBN codes 
used for the standards on our CB certificate's;
"The ISBN number is correct for the highlighted standard (IEC 62368-1) which is 
the one we used. Regarding the EN standard, we used DS/EN 62368-1 (August 
2014); there is no ISBN noted for this one. There is an ICS number, ICS 
33.160.01; 35.020..."

So the ICS is new to me. Any feedback, experiences or comments on using ICS 
numbers?
Wikipedia says;
International Classification for Standards (ICS) is an international 
classification system for technical standards. 
It is designed to cover every economic sector and virtually every activity of 
the humankind where technical standards may be used.

Respectfully yours,

Chuck McDowell
Compliance Specialist
Meyer Sound Laboratories


-Original Message-
From: Doug Powell [mailto:doug...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 24 June, 2017 3:54 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Organize my standards => ISBN 13 Digit code

Interesting idea to use ISBN.  It would be a unique identifier.  I am curious 
to know what everyone feels is the best practice for sorting a database on 
harmonized standards.  For example, all of the 61010-1 national derivatives and 
national differences for IEC, EN, ANSI, CSA, UL, etc.  

I have in a spreadsheet a separate publisher column and the base document 
number.   I also track publication date and date of withdrawal, if available. I 
am a bit of a pack rat in this regard, I keep most of my data forever plus or 
minus a few decades.

Sometimes when I have an updated publication available, I do a textual word by 
word comparison document to flag the differences.  I am frequently surprised 
and the number of "editorial" changes that do not make it into the change logs 
or the magazine articles or even the big four certifying agencies here in the 
USA.

Doug




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From: oconne...@tamuracorp.com
Sent: June 23, 2017 6:18 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Reply-to: oconne...@tamuracorp.com
Subject: Re: [PSES] Organize my standards => ISBN 13 Digit code

When you have bazillions of standards, the ISBN is handy as a unique identifier 
(unique and/or primary key), as each version has different reference; otherwise 
no other significant use. For example, an excerpt from my database:

ISBN 9780580910234 BS EN 62368-1:2014

ISBN 9782832214053 IEC 62368-1 Edition 2.0 2014-02

ISBN 9782889106844 IEC 62368-1 Edition 1.0 2010-01

ISBN 97811554364159 CSA C22.2 NO. 60950-1B-07

Brian


From: Chuck August-McDowell [mailto:chu...@meyersound.com]
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 4:47 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] Organize my standards => ISBN 13 Digit code

Greetings form Berkeley,
 
Does using the International Standard Book Number (ISBN) 13 digit code work to 
organize your standard's collection?
 
Thank you in advance for comments,
 
Mr. Chuck McDowell
Compliance Specialist
Meyer Sound Laboratories Inc.
 
 
 
 
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Re: [PSES] Organize my standards => ISBN 13 Digit code

2017-07-14 Thread John Woodgate 
ICS numbers are like library class numbers, Dewey of old. They only identify 
the subject, so several standards would have the same ICS code.

With best wishes DESIGN IT IN! OOO – Own Opinions Only
www.jmwa.demon.co.uk J M Woodgate and Associates Rayleigh England

Sylvae in aeternum manent.

-Original Message-
From: Chuck August-McDowell [mailto:chu...@meyersound.com] 
Sent: 14 July 2017 21:37
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Organize my standards => ISBN 13 Digit code

Friday update.
My friend at the two letter lab sent this note when I ask for the ISBN codes 
used for the standards on our CB certificate's; "The ISBN number is correct for 
the highlighted standard (IEC 62368-1) which is the one we used. Regarding the 
EN standard, we used DS/EN 62368-1 (August 2014); there is no ISBN noted for 
this one. There is an ICS number, ICS 33.160.01; 35.020..."

So the ICS is new to me. Any feedback, experiences or comments on using ICS 
numbers?
Wikipedia says;
International Classification for Standards (ICS) is an international 
classification system for technical standards. 
It is designed to cover every economic sector and virtually every activity of 
the humankind where technical standards may be used.

Respectfully yours,

Chuck McDowell
Compliance Specialist
Meyer Sound Laboratories


-Original Message-
From: Doug Powell [mailto:doug...@gmail.com]
Sent: 24 June, 2017 3:54 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Organize my standards => ISBN 13 Digit code

Interesting idea to use ISBN.  It would be a unique identifier.  I am curious 
to know what everyone feels is the best practice for sorting a database on 
harmonized standards.  For example, all of the 61010-1 national derivatives and 
national differences for IEC, EN, ANSI, CSA, UL, etc.  

I have in a spreadsheet a separate publisher column and the base document 
number.   I also track publication date and date of withdrawal, if available. I 
am a bit of a pack rat in this regard, I keep most of my data forever plus or 
minus a few decades.

Sometimes when I have an updated publication available, I do a textual word by 
word comparison document to flag the differences.  I am frequently surprised 
and the number of "editorial" changes that do not make it into the change logs 
or the magazine articles or even the big four certifying agencies here in the 
USA.

Doug




  Original Message
From: oconne...@tamuracorp.com
Sent: June 23, 2017 6:18 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Reply-to: oconne...@tamuracorp.com
Subject: Re: [PSES] Organize my standards => ISBN 13 Digit code

When you have bazillions of standards, the ISBN is handy as a unique identifier 
(unique and/or primary key), as each version has different reference; otherwise 
no other significant use. For example, an excerpt from my database:

ISBN 9780580910234 BS EN 62368-1:2014

ISBN 9782832214053 IEC 62368-1 Edition 2.0 2014-02

ISBN 9782889106844 IEC 62368-1 Edition 1.0 2010-01

ISBN 97811554364159 CSA C22.2 NO. 60950-1B-07

Brian


From: Chuck August-McDowell [mailto:chu...@meyersound.com]
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 4:47 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] Organize my standards => ISBN 13 Digit code

Greetings form Berkeley,
 
Does using the International Standard Book Number (ISBN) 13 digit code work to 
organize your standard's collection?
 
Thank you in advance for comments,
 
Mr. Chuck McDowell
Compliance Specialist
Meyer Sound Laboratories Inc.
 
 
 
 
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Re: [PSES] Organize my standards => ISBN 13 Digit code

2017-07-14 Thread Chuck August-McDowell 
Friday update.
My friend at the two letter lab sent this note when I ask for the ISBN codes 
used for the standards on our CB certificate's;
"The ISBN number is correct for the highlighted standard (IEC 62368-1) which is 
the one we used. Regarding the EN standard, we used DS/EN 62368-1 (August 
2014); there is no ISBN noted for this one. There is an ICS number, ICS 
33.160.01; 35.020..."

So the ICS is new to me. Any feedback, experiences or comments on using ICS 
numbers?
Wikipedia says;
International Classification for Standards (ICS) is an international 
classification system for technical standards. 
It is designed to cover every economic sector and virtually every activity of 
the humankind where technical standards may be used.

Respectfully yours,

Chuck McDowell
Compliance Specialist
Meyer Sound Laboratories


-Original Message-
From: Doug Powell [mailto:doug...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 24 June, 2017 3:54 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Organize my standards => ISBN 13 Digit code

Interesting idea to use ISBN.  It would be a unique identifier.  I am curious 
to know what everyone feels is the best practice for sorting a database on 
harmonized standards.  For example, all of the 61010-1 national derivatives and 
national differences for IEC, EN, ANSI, CSA, UL, etc.  

I have in a spreadsheet a separate publisher column and the base document 
number.   I also track publication date and date of withdrawal, if available. I 
am a bit of a pack rat in this regard, I keep most of my data forever plus or 
minus a few decades.

Sometimes when I have an updated publication available, I do a textual word by 
word comparison document to flag the differences.  I am frequently surprised 
and the number of "editorial" changes that do not make it into the change logs 
or the magazine articles or even the big four certifying agencies here in the 
USA.

Doug




  Original Message
From: oconne...@tamuracorp.com
Sent: June 23, 2017 6:18 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Reply-to: oconne...@tamuracorp.com
Subject: Re: [PSES] Organize my standards => ISBN 13 Digit code

When you have bazillions of standards, the ISBN is handy as a unique identifier 
(unique and/or primary key), as each version has different reference; otherwise 
no other significant use. For example, an excerpt from my database:

ISBN 9780580910234 BS EN 62368-1:2014

ISBN 9782832214053 IEC 62368-1 Edition 2.0 2014-02

ISBN 9782889106844 IEC 62368-1 Edition 1.0 2010-01

ISBN 97811554364159 CSA C22.2 NO. 60950-1B-07

Brian


From: Chuck August-McDowell [mailto:chu...@meyersound.com]
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 4:47 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] Organize my standards => ISBN 13 Digit code

Greetings form Berkeley,
 
Does using the International Standard Book Number (ISBN) 13 digit code work to 
organize your standard's collection?
 
Thank you in advance for comments,
 
Mr. Chuck McDowell
Compliance Specialist
Meyer Sound Laboratories Inc.
 
 
 
 
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Re: [PSES] FCC Updates Rules for Authorization of Radio Frequency Devices

2017-07-14 Thread Nathan Belsher 
Larry,Thanks.  Good information.Regards,Nathan BelsherA2LA Assessor


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Subject: [PSES] FCC Updates Rules for Authorization of Radio Frequency
Devices
From: "Larry K. Stillings" 
Date: Fri, July 14, 2017 10:07 am
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All, Looks like this finally happened yesterday https://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-updates-rules-authorization-radiofrequency-devices Which is related to this document https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-15-92A1.pdf If I understand correctly, this goes into effect in 90 Days or October 12, 2017Larry K. StillingsCompliance Worldwide, Inc. Test Locally, Sell Globally and Launch Your Products Around the World! FCC - Wireless - Telecom - CE Marking - International Approvals - Product Safety 357 Main StreetSandown, NH 03873(603) 887 3903 Fax 887-6445www.complianceworldwide.comPrivileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message. If you are not the addressee indicated in this message (or responsible for delivery of the message to such person), you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. In such case, you should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply email. Please advise immediately if you or your employer do not consent to Internet email for messages of this kind. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of my firm shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it.  -  This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to  All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html  For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas  Mike Cantwell   For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher  David Heald  


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[PSES] FCC Updates Rules for Authorization of Radio Frequency Devices

2017-07-14 Thread Larry K. Stillings 
All,

 

Looks like this finally happened yesterday

 

https://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-updates-rules-authorization-radiofreque
ncy-devices

 

Which is related to this document

 

https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-15-92A1.pdf

 

If I understand correctly, this goes into effect in 90 Days or October
12, 2017

Larry K. Stillings
Compliance Worldwide, Inc. 
Test Locally, Sell Globally and Launch Your Products Around the World! 
FCC - Wireless - Telecom - CE Marking - International Approvals -
Product Safety 
357 Main Street
Sandown, NH 03873
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