Re: [PSES] FCC regulatory statements

2019-10-31 Thread doug emcesd.com 
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From: IBM Ken 
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2019 4:56:32 PM
To: doug emcesd.com 
Cc: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG 
Subject: Re: [PSES] FCC regulatory statements

Hi Doug- Are you referring to CONELRAD which mandated that all transmitters go 
off the air (except for certain 640 and 1240hz MW broadcast stations which 
rotated to confuse enemy RDF) in the event of a Soviet attack on the US? 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CONELRAD

-Ken A

On Thu, Oct 31, 2019 at 6:53 PM doug emcesd.com 
mailto:d...@emcesd.com>> wrote:

Hi John,



The radio listening law was around many decades ago. Usually we just had a #47 
pilot lamp on a radio instead of the speaker to know when the station went off 
the air. At that point, one was to listen on 640 or 1240 kHz. Only required of 
ham radio operators. That went away decades ago.



I like that for most equipment there are no immunity requirements in the US. 
The market is a very strong force and will eliminate companies whose equipment 
does not work in its environment. The standards should be there but not 
required.



I buy stuff from overseas that I know is not likely to pass all the immunity 
tests, but I do not care. I ascertain if it will work for what I want. I would 
rather not pay for testing I do not need.



Large companies, on the other hand, may want to protect themselves from their 
suppliers by citing standards to be applied. But that should be up to them, not 
the government.



Doug

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From: John Woodgate mailto:j...@woodjohn.uk>>
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2019 13:37
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] FCC regulatory statements



Precisely. That's bureaucracy for you. Isn't there also a US law that requires 
you to listen on a radio for Homeland Security broadcasts? Everyone is guilty 
of something.

Best wishes

John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only

J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk

Rayleigh, Essex UK

On 2019-10-31 20:24, Richard Nute wrote:



“This device complies with part 15 of the FCC Rules.  Operation is subject to 
the following two conditions:  (1) This device may not cause harmful 
interference, and  (2) this device must accept any interference received, 
including interference that may cause undesired operation”



Hmm.  So, if the device causes harmful interference, operation is prohibited 
(1).



And, if the device accepts interference that causes undesired operation, 
operation is prohibited (2).



A CFL causes undesirable interference with my radio.  So, operation of both the 
CFL and radio is prohibited.



Is my interpretation correct?



Best regards,

Rich







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Re: [PSES] FCC regulatory statements

2019-10-31 Thread IBM Ken 
Hi Doug- Are you referring to CONELRAD which mandated that all transmitters
go off the air (except for certain 640 and 1240hz MW broadcast stations
which rotated to confuse enemy RDF) in the event of a Soviet attack on the
US? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CONELRAD

-Ken A

On Thu, Oct 31, 2019 at 6:53 PM doug emcesd.com  wrote:

> Hi John,
>
>
>
> The radio listening law was around many decades ago. Usually we just had a
> #47 pilot lamp on a radio instead of the speaker to know when the station
> went off the air. At that point, one was to listen on 640 or 1240 kHz. Only
> required of ham radio operators. That went away decades ago.
>
>
>
> I like that for most equipment there are no immunity requirements in the
> US. The market is a very strong force and will eliminate companies whose
> equipment does not work in its environment. The standards should be there
> but not required.
>
>
>
> I buy stuff from overseas that I know is not likely to pass all the
> immunity tests, but I do not care. I ascertain if it will work for what I
> want. I would rather not pay for testing I do not need.
>
>
>
> Large companies, on the other hand, may want to protect themselves from
> their suppliers by citing standards to be applied. But that should be up to
> them, not the government.
>
>
>
> Doug
>
> [image: SYMBOL]
>
>
>
> *From:* John Woodgate 
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 31, 2019 13:37
> *To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
> *Subject:* Re: [PSES] FCC regulatory statements
>
>
>
> Precisely. That's bureaucracy for you. Isn't there also a US law that
> requires you to listen on a radio for Homeland Security broadcasts?
> Everyone is guilty of something.
>
> Best wishes
>
> John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only
>
> J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk
>
> Rayleigh, Essex UK
>
> On 2019-10-31 20:24, Richard Nute wrote:
>
>
>
> “This device complies with part 15 of the FCC Rules.  Operation is
> subject to the following two conditions:  (1) This device may not cause
> harmful interference, and  (2) this device must accept any interference
> received, including interference that may cause undesired operation”
>
>
>
> Hmm.  So, if the device causes harmful interference, operation is
> prohibited (1).
>
>
>
> And, if the device accepts interference that causes undesired operation,
> operation is prohibited (2).
>
>
>
> A CFL causes undesirable interference with my radio.  So, operation of
> both the CFL and radio is prohibited.
>
>
>
> Is my interpretation correct?
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Rich
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [PSES] FCC regulatory statements

2019-10-31 Thread doug emcesd.com 
Hi John,

The radio listening law was around many decades ago. Usually we just had a #47 
pilot lamp on a radio instead of the speaker to know when the station went off 
the air. At that point, one was to listen on 640 or 1240 kHz. Only required of 
ham radio operators. That went away decades ago.

I like that for most equipment there are no immunity requirements in the US. 
The market is a very strong force and will eliminate companies whose equipment 
does not work in its environment. The standards should be there but not 
required.

I buy stuff from overseas that I know is not likely to pass all the immunity 
tests, but I do not care. I ascertain if it will work for what I want. I would 
rather not pay for testing I do not need.

Large companies, on the other hand, may want to protect themselves from their 
suppliers by citing standards to be applied. But that should be up to them, not 
the government.

Doug
[SYMBOL]

From: John Woodgate 
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2019 13:37
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] FCC regulatory statements


Precisely. That's bureaucracy for you. Isn't there also a US law that requires 
you to listen on a radio for Homeland Security broadcasts? Everyone is guilty 
of something.

Best wishes

John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only

J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk

Rayleigh, Essex UK
On 2019-10-31 20:24, Richard Nute wrote:

"This device complies with part 15 of the FCC Rules.  Operation is subject to 
the following two conditions:  (1) This device may not cause harmful 
interference, and  (2) this device must accept any interference received, 
including interference that may cause undesired operation"

Hmm.  So, if the device causes harmful interference, operation is prohibited 
(1).

And, if the device accepts interference that causes undesired operation, 
operation is prohibited (2).

A CFL causes undesirable interference with my radio.  So, operation of both the 
CFL and radio is prohibited.

Is my interpretation correct?

Best regards,
Rich



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Re: [PSES] FCC regulatory statements

2019-10-31 Thread Ken Javor 
Apologize if someone else has already answered Rich Nute’s question. Part
(2) interpretation is incorrect. It means that if your Part 15 widget is
susceptible to rf from some licensed transmitter, that’s tough. You don’t
get to complain about it. It doesn’t mean you are prohibited from using the
widget.

Ken Javor
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From: DEREK WALTON <00734758d943-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org>
Reply-To: DEREK WALTON 
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 16:58:30 -0500
To: 
Subject: Re: [PSES] FCC regulatory statements

Hi Folks,

just a quick comment on the LED lights. ANSI has been working hard ( there
are some tricky issues ) to issue C63.29 which will help eliminate a lot of
LED lighting issues. If anyone is curious, I can direct them to the
appropriate committee contact point to learn whats going on.

Cheers,

Derek.

> On Oct 31, 2019, at 4:36 PM, Larry K. Stillings
>  wrote:
> 
> Well, technically the label for FM and Land mobile receivers is different, per
> 15.19 (a) (1) from all other devices and does not contain the two parts.
>  
> This device complies with part 15 of the FCC Rules. Operation is subject to
> the condition that this device does not cause harmful interference.
>  
> The CFL light bulb issue is well known, but not much has been done that I have
> observed, other than the selling of LED bulbs to replace them 
>  
> Larry K. Stillings
> Compliance Worldwide, Inc.
> Test Locally, Sell Globally and Launch Your Products Around the World!
> FCC - Wireless - Telecom - CE Marking - International Approvals - Product
> Safety 
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> From: Richard Nute
> Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2019 4:24 PM
> To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
> Subject: [PSES] FCC regulatory statements
>  
>  
> “This device complies with part 15 of the FCC Rules.  Operation is subject to
> the following two conditions:  (1) This device may not cause harmful
> interference, and  (2) this device must accept any interference received,
> including interference that may cause undesired operation”
>  
> Hmm.  So, if the device causes harmful interference, operation is prohibited
> (1). 
>  
> And, if the device accepts interference that causes undesired operation,
> operation is prohibited (2).
>  
> A CFL causes undesirable interference with my radio.  So, operation of both
> the CFL and radio is prohibited.
>  
> Is my interpretation correct?
>  
> Best regards,
> Rich
>  
>  
>  
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Re: [PSES] FCC regulatory statements

2019-10-31 Thread DEREK WALTON 
Hi Folks,

just a quick comment on the LED lights. ANSI has been working hard ( there are 
some tricky issues ) to issue C63.29 which will help eliminate a lot of LED 
lighting issues. If anyone is curious, I can direct them to the appropriate 
committee contact point to learn whats going on.

Cheers,

Derek.

> On Oct 31, 2019, at 4:36 PM, Larry K. Stillings 
>  wrote:
> 
> Well, technically the label for FM and Land mobile receivers is different, 
> per 15.19 (a) (1) from all other devices and does not contain the two parts.
>  
> This device complies with part 15 of the FCC Rules. Operation is subject to 
> the condition that this device does not cause harmful interference.
>  
> The CFL light bulb issue is well known, but not much has been done that I 
> have observed, other than the selling of LED bulbs to replace them 
>  
> Larry K. Stillings
> Compliance Worldwide, Inc. 
> Test Locally, Sell Globally and Launch Your Products Around the World! 
> FCC - Wireless - Telecom - CE Marking - International Approvals - Product 
> Safety 
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> Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2019 4:24 PM
> To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG 
> Subject: [PSES] FCC regulatory statements
>  
>  
> “This device complies with part 15 of the FCC Rules.  Operation is subject to 
> the following two conditions:  (1) This device may not cause harmful 
> interference, and  (2) this device must accept any interference received, 
> including interference that may cause undesired operation”
>  
> Hmm.  So, if the device causes harmful interference, operation is prohibited 
> (1). 
>  
> And, if the device accepts interference that causes undesired operation, 
> operation is prohibited (2).
>  
> A CFL causes undesirable interference with my radio.  So, operation of both 
> the CFL and radio is prohibited. 
>  
> Is my interpretation correct?
>  
> Best regards,
> Rich
>  
>  
>  
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Re: [PSES] FCC regulatory statements

2019-10-31 Thread Larry K. Stillings 
Well, technically the label for FM and Land mobile receivers is different, per 
15.19 (a) (1) from all other devices and does not contain the two parts.

This device complies with part 15 of the FCC Rules. Operation is subject to the 
condition that this device does not cause harmful interference.

The CFL light bulb issue is well known, but not much has been done that I have 
observed, other than the selling of LED bulbs to replace them 

Larry K. Stillings
Compliance Worldwide, Inc.
Test Locally, Sell Globally and Launch Your Products Around the World!
FCC - Wireless - Telecom - CE Marking - International Approvals - Product Safety
357 Main Street
Sandown, NH 03873
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From: Richard Nute
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2019 4:24 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] FCC regulatory statements


“This device complies with part 15 of the FCC Rules.  Operation is subject to 
the following two conditions:  (1) This device may not cause harmful 
interference, and  (2) this device must accept any interference received, 
including interference that may cause undesired operation”

Hmm.  So, if the device causes harmful interference, operation is prohibited 
(1).

And, if the device accepts interference that causes undesired operation, 
operation is prohibited (2).

A CFL causes undesirable interference with my radio.  So, operation of both the 
CFL and radio is prohibited.

Is my interpretation correct?

Best regards,
Rich



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Re: [PSES] [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] FCC regulatory statements

2019-10-31 Thread Ted Eckert 
I would read the FCC two-part statement a little differently.

Let's start with the second statement. It indicates that equipment must accept 
interference. It uses "must", so this is a requirement. This just indicates 
that the product falls under a category where there are no immunity 
requirements mandated by the FCC. It's a warning to the user. If they find that 
their device is misbehaving due to interference from other devices, the user is 
being told that it isn't the fault of the FCC.

The first statement is harder to figure out. I can start with the signal words. 
"Must" means a requirement, "should" indicates a recommendation, and "may" 
indicates an option. What does "may not" mean? A prohibition should be "must 
not" or "shall not". A recommendation against would be "should not". However, 
as written it could be interpreted to mean that the equipment might not cause 
harmful interference. I don't know if that is what is intended, but that is how 
it could be interpreted if read literally.

The way I look at it, these statements are to make it clear to the user that 
the FCC is absolving itself of any fault for accepting the certification of the 
device. First, if your equipment causes interference with other devices, blame 
the manufacturer and not the FCC. Second, if your equipment is susceptible from 
interference from other devices, blame the manufacturer and not the FCC.

Ted Eckert
Microsoft Corporation

The opinions experessed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my 
employer.


From: John Woodgate 
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2019 1:37 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] FCC regulatory statements


Precisely. That's bureaucracy for you. Isn't there also a US law that requires 
you to listen on a radio for Homeland Security broadcasts? Everyone is guilty 
of something.

Best wishes

John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only

J M Woodgate and Associates 
www.woodjohn.uk

Rayleigh, Essex UK
On 2019-10-31 20:24, Richard Nute wrote:

"This device complies with part 15 of the FCC Rules.  Operation is subject to 
the following two conditions:  (1) This device may not cause harmful 
interference, and  (2) this device must accept any interference received, 
including interference that may cause undesired operation"

Hmm.  So, if the device causes harmful interference, operation is prohibited 
(1).

And, if the device accepts interference that causes undesired operation, 
operation is prohibited (2).

A CFL causes undesirable interference with my radio.  So, operation of both the 
CFL and radio is prohibited.

Is my interpretation correct?

Best regards,
Rich



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Re: [PSES] FCC regulatory statements

2019-10-31 Thread Brent DeWitt 
I would interpret your radio as being compliant.  It accepts the interference just fine.  If you don't, that's another matter...Closest thing that the US has to an immunity standard.Respectfully,Brent DeWitt, AB1LF -Original Message-
From: Richard Nute 
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Subject: [PSES] FCC regulatory statements

 “This device complies with part 15 of the FCC Rules.  Operation is subject to the following two conditions:  (1) This device may not cause harmful interference, and  (2) this device must accept any interference received, including interference that may cause undesired operation” Hmm.  So, if the device causes harmful interference, operation is prohibited (1).   And, if the device accepts interference that causes undesired operation, operation is prohibited (2). A CFL causes undesirable interference with my radio.  So, operation of both the CFL and radio is prohibited.   Is my interpretation correct? Best regards,Rich   
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Re: [PSES] FCC regulatory statements

2019-10-31 Thread John Woodgate 
Precisely. That's bureaucracy for you. Isn't there also a US law that 
requires you to listen on a radio for Homeland Security broadcasts? 
Everyone is guilty of something.


Best wishes
John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only
J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk
Rayleigh, Essex UK

On 2019-10-31 20:24, Richard Nute wrote:


“This device complies with part 15 of the FCC Rules.  Operation is 
subject to the following two conditions:  (1) This device may not 
cause harmful interference, and  (2) this device must accept any 
interference received, including interference that may cause undesired 
operation”


Hmm.  So, if the device causes harmful interference, operation is 
prohibited (1).


And, if the device accepts interference that causes undesired 
operation, operation is prohibited (2).


A CFL causes undesirable interference with my radio.  So, operation of 
both the CFL and radio is prohibited.


Is my interpretation correct?

Best regards,

Rich

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[PSES] FCC regulatory statements

2019-10-31 Thread Richard Nute 
 

“This device complies with part 15 of the FCC Rules.  Operation is subject to 
the following two conditions:  (1) This device may not cause harmful 
interference, and  (2) this device must accept any interference received, 
including interference that may cause undesired operation”

 

Hmm.  So, if the device causes harmful interference, operation is prohibited 
(1).  

 

And, if the device accepts interference that causes undesired operation, 
operation is prohibited (2).

 

A CFL causes undesirable interference with my radio.  So, operation of both the 
CFL and radio is prohibited.  

 

Is my interpretation correct?

 

Best regards,

Rich

 

 

 


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