Re: [PSES] [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] USB Type C requirements for the EU

[Ted Eckert]

Hi Cecil,

The regulation states "the possibility to acquire radio equipment without any 
charging device and without cables". It isn't an issue of what would 
technically work. It's what the European Parliament wants. The device must have 
a USB connector, and the customer must have the option of purchasing the device 
without a power supply or cable.

Best regards,
Ted Eckert
Microsoft

The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my 
employer.


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Sent: Monday, February 13, 2023 6:59 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] USB Type C requirements for the EU

Hi Ted,

Thank you very much for your response.

Ear buds come with a charge case that is USB C.  Is that OK?

And if so, why can't a USB C cable to magnet pins work?

As long as a standard USB C charger works, isn't that the intent?

Best Regards.

Cecil

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Subject: Re: [PSES] [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] USB Type C requirements for the EU
Hi Cecil,

The device must have a USB connector for charging. You must provide the 
customer the option of buying the product without either an external power 
supply or charging cable. The intent of the regulation is that consumers should 
be able to buy new devices that can be charged with their existing USB power 
supplies and cables.

Best regards,
Ted Eckert
Microsoft

The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my 
employer.

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Hi Charlie,

Thank you very much for your response.

Does this mean a USB Type C connector has to be on the device or can a cable 
that has USB C with let's say a magnetic connector on the device end be used?

Thanks!

Best Regards

Cecil

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From: "Charlie Blackham"
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Cc:
Sent: Monday February 13 2023 3:41:54AM
Subject: Re: [PSES] USB Type C requirements for the EU
Cecil

Directive (EU) 
2022/2380
 amending the RED with the "common charger" published on 7th December 2022

Applies to all products in scope placed on the market after 28 December 2024 
except for laptops, where the date is 28 April 2026

EU Directive and Regulations apply to each and every individual product, so 
there is no grandfathering for existing designs.


Best regards
Charlie

Charlie Blackham
Sulis Consultants Ltd
Tel: +44 (0)7946 624317
Web: 
https://sulisconsultants.com/
Registered in England and Wales, number 05466247

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Subject: [PSES] USB Type C requirements for the EU

What is the implementation date for USB Type C that products need to comply 
with the Directive?

Is there any exemption or grandfathering for current products that are used 
already in the market?

I appreciate any input.

Thank you.

Cecil Gittens
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Re: [PSES] [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] USB Type C requirements for the EU

[cgittens]

Hi Ted,
Thank you very much for your response.
Ear buds come with a charge case that is USB C. Is that OK? 
And if so, why can’t a USB C cable to magnet pins work? 
As long as a standard USB C charger works, isn’t that the intent?
Best Regards.
Cecil

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Cc: 
Sent: Monday February 13 2023 8:57:19AM
Subject: Re: [PSES] [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] USB Type C requirements for
the EU

Hi Cecil, 

The device must have a USB connector for charging. You must provide
the customer the option of buying the product without either an
external power supply or charging cable. The intent of the regulation
is that consumers should be able to buy new devices that can be
charged with their existing USB power supplies and cables. 

Best regards, 

Ted Eckert 

Microsoft 

The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect
those of my employer. 

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SENT: Monday, February 13, 2023 5:50 AM
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Hi Charlie,  

Thank you very much for your response.   

Does this mean a USB Type C connector has to be on the device or can
a cable that has USB C with let’s say a magnetic connector on the
device end be used?   

Thanks!   

Best Regards   

Cecil 

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 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
 Cc:
 Sent: Monday February 13 2023 3:41:54AM
 Subject: Re: [PSES] USB Type C requirements for the EU  

Cecil 

 Directive (EU) 2022/2380 [2] amending the RED with the "common
charger" published on 7th December 2022 

Applies to all products in scope placed on the market after 28
December 2024 except for laptops, where the date is 28 April 2026 

EU Directive and Regulations apply to each and every individual
product, so there is no grandfathering for existing designs. 

Best regards 

Charlie 

  CHARLIE BLACKHAM 

  SULIS CONSULTANTS LTD 

  TEL: +44 (0)7946 624317 

  WEB:   [3]HTTPS://SULISCONSULTANTS.COM/ [4] 

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FROM: cgitt...@rochester.rr.com 
SENT: 13 February 2023 01:13
TO: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
SUBJECT: [PSES] USB Type C requirements for the EU   

What is the implementation date for USB Type C that products need to
comply with the Directive?  

Is there any exemption or grandfathering for current products that
are used already in the market?   

I appreciate any input.   

Thank you.   

Cecil Gittens  

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Re: [PSES] SV: [PSES] Product with LiPo battery - transportation

[Lauren Crane]

  *   IATA is a standard that many countries have adopted in whole or in part 
for their airspace. It is also a commercial condition set by many air carriers 
for the international 'gap' between airspaces, but each country has its own 
transportation regulations (some fully defer to IATA). In the US this is 
regulated by PHMSA (pipeline and hazardous materials safety administration). 
https://www.phmsa.dot.gov/regulations via Hazardous Materials Safety 
Regulations (Title 49 CFR Parts 
100-185).
  *   ICOA also 'competes' in this space, but I forget the difference between 
IATA and ICOA.

Best Regards,
-Lauren

From: Amund Westin 
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2023 2:12 AM
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Subject: [PSES] SV: [PSES] Product with LiPo battery - transportation



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Thanks John,
IATA is a good advice. I'll check that..

The batteries will always be mounted inside the final product.

Best regards
Amund


Fra: John Mcbain
Sendt: 13. februar 2023 07:30
Til: Amund Westin mailto:am...@westin-emission.no>>
Kopi: EMC-PSTC@listserv.ieee.org
Emne: Re: [PSES] Product with LiPo battery - transportation

Have you checked IATA?
https://www.iata.org/en/publications/store/lithium-battery-shipping-regulations/
Another question:  Will you be shipping the batteries by themselves as a spare 
part?

Best regards,
John McBain


On Sun, Feb 12, 2023 at 11:04 AM Amund Westin 
mailto:am...@westin-emission.no>> wrote:
We're going to ship (by aircraft) a ITE product which has LiPo battery build 
into the electronic design. The concerns are situations that can cause a fire 
during the transport.
The Li-po battery itself is tested and certified according to UN38.3 : 
Transport of dangerous goods.

Anyone who know if there are any specific requirements for testing or 
certification for such battery-products, which will be transported by air, 
train, ship, etc?
Thanx!
BR
Amund

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Re: [PSES] [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] USB Type C requirements for the EU

[Ted Eckert]

Hi Cecil,

The device must have a USB connector for charging. You must provide the 
customer the option of buying the product without either an external power 
supply or charging cable. The intent of the regulation is that consumers should 
be able to buy new devices that can be charged with their existing USB power 
supplies and cables.

Best regards,
Ted Eckert
Microsoft

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From: cgitt...@rochester.rr.com 
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2023 5:50 AM
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Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] USB Type C requirements for the EU

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Hi Charlie,

Thank you very much for your response.

Does this mean a USB Type C connector has to be on the device or can a cable 
that has USB C with let's say a magnetic connector on the device end be used?

Thanks!

Best Regards

Cecil

-
From: "Charlie Blackham"
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Cc:
Sent: Monday February 13 2023 3:41:54AM
Subject: Re: [PSES] USB Type C requirements for the EU
Cecil

Directive (EU) 
2022/2380
 amending the RED with the "common charger" published on 7th December 2022

Applies to all products in scope placed on the market after 28 December 2024 
except for laptops, where the date is 28 April 2026

EU Directive and Regulations apply to each and every individual product, so 
there is no grandfathering for existing designs.


Best regards
Charlie

Charlie Blackham
Sulis Consultants Ltd
Tel: +44 (0)7946 624317
Web: 
https://sulisconsultants.com/
Registered in England and Wales, number 05466247

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Subject: [PSES] USB Type C requirements for the EU

What is the implementation date for USB Type C that products need to comply 
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Is there any exemption or grandfathering for current products that are used 
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I appreciate any input.

Thank you.

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Re: [PSES] USB Type C requirements for the EU

[cgittens]

Hi Charlie,
Thank you very much for your response.
Does this mean a USB Type C connector has to be on the device or can a
cable that has USB C with let’s say a magnetic connector on the
device end be used?
Thanks!
Best Regards
Cecil

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Cc: 
Sent: Monday February 13 2023 3:41:54AM
Subject: Re: [PSES] USB Type C requirements for the EU

Cecil 

Directive (EU) 2022/2380 [1] amending the RED with the "common
charger" published on 7th December 2022 

Applies to all products in scope placed on the market after 28
December 2024 except for laptops, where the date is 28 April 2026 

EU Directive and Regulations apply to each and every individual
product, so there is no grandfathering for existing designs. 

Best regards 

Charlie 

 CHARLIE BLACKHAM 

 SULIS CONSULTANTS LTD 

 TEL: +44 (0)7946 624317 

 WEB:  [2]HTTPS://SULISCONSULTANTS.COM/ [3] 

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What is the implementation date for USB Type C that products need to
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Re: [PSES] USB Type C requirements for the EU

[Charlie Blackham]

Cecil

Directive (EU) 2022/2380 amending 
the RED with the "common charger" published on 7th December 2022

Applies to all products in scope placed on the market after 28 December 2024 
except for laptops, where the date is 28 April 2026

EU Directive and Regulations apply to each and every individual product, so 
there is no grandfathering for existing designs.


Best regards
Charlie

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Sulis Consultants Ltd
Tel: +44 (0)7946 624317
Web: https://sulisconsultants.com/
Registered in England and Wales, number 05466247

From: cgitt...@rochester.rr.com 
Sent: 13 February 2023 01:13
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Subject: [PSES] USB Type C requirements for the EU

What is the implementation date for USB Type C that products need to comply 
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[PSES] SV: [PSES] Product with LiPo battery - transportation

[Amund Westin]

Thanks John, 

IATA is a good advice. I’ll check that..

 

The batteries will always be mounted inside the final product.

 

Best regards

Amund

 

 

Fra: John Mcbain 
Sendt: 13. februar 2023 07:30
Til: Amund Westin 
Kopi: EMC-PSTC@listserv.ieee.org
Emne: Re: [PSES] Product with LiPo battery - transportation

 

Have you checked IATA?

https://www.iata.org/en/publications/store/lithium-battery-shipping-regulations/

Another question:  Will you be shipping the batteries by themselves as a spare 
part?




Best regards,

John McBain

 

 

On Sun, Feb 12, 2023 at 11:04 AM Amund Westin mailto:am...@westin-emission.no> > wrote:

We’re going to ship (by aircraft) a ITE product which has LiPo battery build 
into the electronic design. The concerns are situations that can cause a fire 
during the transport.

The Li-po battery itself is tested and certified according to UN38.3 : 
Transport of dangerous goods.

 

Anyone who know if there are any specific requirements for testing or 
certification for such battery-products, which will be transported by air, 
train, ship, etc?

Thanx!

BR
Amund

 

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