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Re: [PSES] Compliant needle-flame test material vs V-0 material

2023-04-18 Thread Boštjan Glavič

Hello Scott

I do not understand. If you have a product intended for connection to mains 
with available power less than 4000VA, V-0 material for fire enclosure is 
sufficient without any additional testing. Needle flame is verification test 
and cannot be compared to flammability rating test.

So if you have a certificate that your fire enclosure is V-0 for appropriate 
thickness, no need for additional evaluation.

Best regards
Bostjan



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Hi Scott:

The answer to your question:

“is it possible the V-0 material does not meet the needle-flame test?”

is:  Yes.  See:

https://www.caplinq.com/blog/ul-94v-certification-vs-ul-94-vtm-certification_190/

Best regards,
Rich


From: Scott Xe 
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2023 6:36 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] Compliant needle-flame test material vs V-0 material

According to EN 62368-1 : 2020 + A11 : 2020 - Cl 6.4.8.4

Smaller distances are allowed provided that the part of the fire enclosure or 
fire barrier within
the required separation distance complies with one of the following:

• the fire enclosure or fire barrier meets the needle-flame test 
according to IEC 60695-11-5. Severities are identified in Clause S.2. After the 
test, the fire enclosure or fire barrier material shall not have formed any 
holes that are bigger than allowed in 6.4.8.3.3 or 6.4.8.3.4 as appropriate; or
• the fire enclosure is made of V-0 class material; or
• the fire barrier is made of V-0 class material or VTM-0 class 
material.

The test house found that the fire enclosure material could not meet the 
needle-flame test and considered non-compliance.  However, the supplier claims 
that the fire enclosure is made of V-0 material meeting the 2nd requirement.  
Since the verification methods and conditions of needle-flame test and UL 94 
are not identical, is it possible the V-0 material does not meet the 
needle-flame test?

Thanks and regards,

Scott
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Re: [PSES] Compliant needle-flame test material vs V-0 material

2023-04-18 Thread Richard Nute

 

 

Hi Scott:

 

The answer to your question:  

 

“is it possible the V-0 material does not meet the needle-flame test?”

 

is:  Yes.  See:

 

https://www.caplinq.com/blog/ul-94v-certification-vs-ul-94-vtm-certification_190/

 

Best regards,

Rich

 

 

From: Scott Xe  
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2023 6:36 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] Compliant needle-flame test material vs V-0 material

 

According to EN 62368-1 : 2020 + A11 : 2020 - Cl 6.4.8.4

 

Smaller distances are allowed provided that the part of the fire enclosure or 
fire barrier within

the required separation distance complies with one of the following:

 

• the fire enclosure or fire barrier meets the needle-flame test 
according to IEC 60695-11-5. Severities are identified in Clause S.2. After the 
test, the fire enclosure or fire barrier material shall not have formed any 
holes that are bigger than allowed in 6.4.8.3.3 or 6.4.8.3.4 as appropriate; or

• the fire enclosure is made of V-0 class material; or

• the fire barrier is made of V-0 class material or VTM-0 class 
material.

 

The test house found that the fire enclosure material could not meet the 
needle-flame test and considered non-compliance.  However, the supplier claims 
that the fire enclosure is made of V-0 material meeting the 2nd requirement.  
Since the verification methods and conditions of needle-flame test and UL 94 
are not identical, is it possible the V-0 material does not meet the 
needle-flame test?

 

Thanks and regards,

 

Scott


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Re: [PSES] Are Australia/New Zealand approvals needed for IEC 60320 Appliance Inlet ?

2023-04-18 Thread MIKE SHERMAN



 
 
  
   This is subtle. If you’re selling appliance connectors as components in the Au/NZ market, they are likely treated differently than those appliance connectors that are only sold as part of equipment. 
   Mike Sherman 
  
  
   Sherman PSC LLC
  
  
   
On 04/18/2023 11:31 AM Scott Aldous <0220f70c299a-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org> wrote:
   
   

   
   

   
   
Be careful. Appliance connectors are AU Level 3 equipment. You can find the full list in AS/NZS 4417.2.
   
   
   

 On Tue, Apr 18, 2023 at 9:27 AM Ryan Jazz  wrote:
 


 
  
   
Hello List Members,
An update that the NRTL withdrew their request for the “Australia/NZ”  approvals document for the appliance inlet
The IEC certificate was acceptable.
Sincerely,
Ryan Jazz

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 rjayasin...@line6.com
  
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  From: Ryan Jazz Sent: Monday, April 17, 2023 1:36 PMTo: emc-p...@ieee.orgSubject: Are Australia/New Zealand approvals needed for IEC 60320 Appliance Inlet ?
 

 
Dear list members,
We are trying to get a CB Report for our guitar amplifier from our local NRTL.
For the Australia/New Zealand deviations they are asking us to provide an ‘Australia/NZ’ approval document for the appliance inlet.
Is this a new requirement, I always thought Australia/New Zealand accepts IEC approvals.
If it is a new requirement does anyone know the regulation name or standard number.
Thank you,
Sincerely,
Ryan Jazz
Ryan Jayasinghe
Regulatory Compliance Engineer
rjayasin...@line6.com
 
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Re: [PSES] Are Australia/New Zealand approvals needed for IEC 60320 Appliance Inlet ?

2023-04-18 Thread Scott Aldous

Be careful. Appliance connectors are AU Level 3 equipment
.
You can find the full list in AS/NZS 4417.2
.

On Tue, Apr 18, 2023 at 9:27 AM Ryan Jazz 
wrote:

> Hello List Members,
>
> An update that the NRTL withdrew their request for the “Australia/NZ”
>  approvals document for the appliance inlet
>
> The IEC certificate was acceptable.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Ryan Jazz
>
> Ryan Jayasinghe
>
> Regulatory Compliance Engineer
>
> rjayasin...@line6.com
>
>
>
> "After silence, that which best expresses the inexpressible, is music" -
> Aldous Huxley
>
>
>
> LINE6
>
> 26580 Agoura Road
>
> Calabasas CA 91302
>
> line6.com
>
> ampeg.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Ryan Jazz
> *Sent:* Monday, April 17, 2023 1:36 PM
> *To:* emc-p...@ieee.org
> *Subject:* Are Australia/New Zealand approvals needed for IEC 60320
> Appliance Inlet ?
>
>
>
> Dear list members,
>
> We are trying to get a CB Report for our guitar amplifier from our local
> NRTL.
>
> For the Australia/New Zealand deviations they are asking us to provide an
> ‘Australia/NZ’ approval document for the appliance inlet.
>
> Is this a new requirement, I always thought Australia/New Zealand accepts
> IEC approvals.
>
> If it is a new requirement does anyone know the regulation name or
> standard number.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Ryan Jazz
>
> Ryan Jayasinghe
>
> Regulatory Compliance Engineer
>
> rjayasin...@line6.com
>
>
>
> "After silence, that which best expresses the inexpressible, is music" -
> Aldous Huxley
>
>
>
> LINE6
>
> 26580 Agoura Road
>
> Calabasas CA 91302
>
> line6.com
>
> ampeg.com
>
>
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Re: [PSES] Are Australia/New Zealand approvals needed for IEC 60320 Appliance Inlet ?

2023-04-18 Thread Ryan Jazz

Hello List Members,
An update that the NRTL withdrew their request for the "Australia/NZ"  
approvals document for the appliance inlet
The IEC certificate was acceptable.
Sincerely,
Ryan Jazz
Ryan Jayasinghe
Regulatory Compliance Engineer
rjayasin...@line6.com

"After silence, that which best expresses the inexpressible, is music" - Aldous 
Huxley

LINE6
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Calabasas CA 91302
line6.com
ampeg.com

From: Ryan Jazz
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2023 1:36 PM
To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: Are Australia/New Zealand approvals needed for IEC 60320 Appliance 
Inlet ?

Dear list members,
We are trying to get a CB Report for our guitar amplifier from our local NRTL.
For the Australia/New Zealand deviations they are asking us to provide an 
'Australia/NZ' approval document for the appliance inlet.
Is this a new requirement, I always thought Australia/New Zealand accepts IEC 
approvals.
If it is a new requirement does anyone know the regulation name or standard 
number.
Thank you,
Sincerely,
Ryan Jazz
Ryan Jayasinghe
Regulatory Compliance Engineer
rjayasin...@line6.com

"After silence, that which best expresses the inexpressible, is music" - Aldous 
Huxley

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[PSES] Compliant needle-flame test material vs V-0 material

2023-04-18 Thread Scott Xe

According to EN 62368-1 : 2020 + A11 : 2020 - Cl 6.4.8.4

Smaller distances are allowed provided that the part of the fire enclosure
or fire barrier within
the required separation distance complies with one of the following:

• the fire enclosure or fire barrier meets the needle-flame test according
to IEC 60695-11-5. Severities are identified in Clause S.2. After the test,
the fire enclosure or fire barrier material shall not have formed any holes
that are bigger than allowed in 6.4.8.3.3 or 6.4.8.3.4 as appropriate; or
• the fire enclosure is made of V-0 class material; or
• the fire barrier is made of V-0 class material or VTM-0 class material.

The test house found that the fire enclosure material could not meet the
needle-flame test and considered non-compliance.  However, the supplier
claims that the fire enclosure is made of V-0 material meeting the 2nd
requirement.  Since the verification methods and conditions of needle-flame
test and UL 94 are not identical, is it possible the V-0 material does not
meet the needle-flame test?

Thanks and regards,

Scott

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[PSES] AW: [PSES] Are Australia/New Zealand approvals needed for IEC 60320 Appliance Inlet ?

2023-04-18 Thread Dürrer Bernd

Hi Ryan,
If the national adoption of the IEC standard contains modifications, you need a 
CB report that approves compliance with these national deviations. According to 
the Australian Standards website, IEC 60320-1 has been adopted there with 
national modifications (AS/NZS 60320.1-2012 - Standards 
Australia).
 Unfortunately, I do not have the AS/NZS edition of this standard and do not 
know the content of these modifications. Sometimes, such modifications are 
mentioned in the international IEC edition: For example, IEC 60335-1:2020 
mentions in the foreword that 0,5 mm² supply cords are not allowed for class I 
appliances in Australia and New Zealand. My experience with national deviations 
in other AS/NZS standard has been that such modifications may be only editorial 
(e.g. replacing references to other IEC standards by reference to AS/NZS 
standards which in turn are equivalent or identical to their IEC counterpart), 
but sometimes also technical (e.g. specific requirements for supply voltage and 
frequency to be used for testing).
Therefore, you should request evidence from your appliance inlet supplier that 
the inlet complies with AS/NZS 60320.1. Alternatively, you (or your supplier) 
could purchase a copy of the AS/NZS edition: If the national deviations are not 
relevant for your inlet, you may try to convince your local NRTL to accept your 
plug as compliant with AS/NZS 60320.1.
Kind regards,
Bernd

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‘Australia/NZ’ approval document for the appliance inlet.
Is this a new requirement, I always thought Australia/New Zealand accepts IEC 
approvals.
If it is a new requirement does anyone know the regulation name or standard 
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Thank you,
Sincerely,
Ryan Jazz
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Regulatory Compliance Engineer
rjayasin...@line6.com

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