Re: [PSES] DoC - reference to ROHS directive
The proper directive reference remains 2011/65/EU. If you look at the current version of that directive, it incorporates all of the modification, so there is no need to separately reference the amending documents. Regards Tom Smith, P.Eng Principal Engineer TJS Technical Services Inc. Tel: +1 403-612-6664 Email: <mailto:tsm...@tjstechnical.com> tsm...@tjstechnical.com <http://tjstechnical.com/> http://tjstechnical.com Compliance News Updates: <https://corp.social/@TJS_Technical> https://corp.social/@TJS_Technical From: Amund Westin Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2024 11:52 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] DoC - reference to ROHS directive I have the last 10+ years made reference to ROHS directive 2011/65/EU in the DoC. Now, I have been told to switch to 2015/863/EU? Is that correct? >From what I see on the EU web site, 2015/863 is a Commission Delegated Directive, amending Annex II to Directive 2011/65/EU As I understand, 2011/65/EU is still in charge, and is the directive to be listed in the DoC. Comments? BR Amund _ This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: https://www.mail-archive.com/emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org/ <https://www.mail-archive.com/emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org/%20> Website: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/ <https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/> Instructions: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) <https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/list.html> List rules: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Mike Sherman at: msherma...@comcast.net <mailto:msherma...@comcast.net> Rick Linford at: linf...@ieee.org <mailto:linf...@ieee.org> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher at: j.bac...@ieee.org <mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org> _ To unsubscribe from the EMC-PSTC list, click the following link: https://listserv.ieee.org/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=EMC-PSTC <https://listserv.ieee.org/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=EMC-PSTC=1> =1 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: https://www.mail-archive.com/emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org/ Website: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/ Instructions: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Mike Sherman at: msherma...@comcast.net Rick Linford at: linf...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: _ To unsubscribe from the EMC-PSTC list, click the following link: https://listserv.ieee.org/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=EMC-PSTC=1
Re: [PSES] Techstreet Tracking standards
Interesting. I looked at Techstreet history and it says that a division of ASME bought out Techstreet. Regards, Tom Smith, P.Eng Principal Engineer TJS Technical Services Inc. Tel: +1 403-612-6664 Email: <mailto:tsm...@tjstechnical.com> tsm...@tjstechnical.com <http://tjstechnical.com/> http://tjstechnical.com Compliance News Updates: https://corp.social/@TJS_Technical From: Brian Gregory Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2023 2:01 PM To: tsm...@tjstechnical.com Cc: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: Techstreet Tracking standards Word is that IEEE/SA bought up Techstreet a while back. My Chrome browser automatically routes me to IEEE/SA. The Edge browser gets me to the old Techstreet page, and tells me that I'm already registered :-) So, they must be one... at some point! Brian Gregory 720-450-4933 -- Original Message -- From: mailto:tsm...@tjstechnical.com> > To: "'Brian Gregory'" mailto:brian_greg...@netzero.net> > Subject: RE: Techstreet Tracking standards Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2023 16:08:47 -0600 Brian, That is strange. That is not what I get when I go to Tecstreet.com. It is a private company that sells standards: https://www.techstreet.com/ Regards, Tom Smith, P.Eng Principal Engineer TJS Technical Services Inc. Tel: +1 403-612-6664 Email: <mailto:tsm...@tjstechnical.com> tsm...@tjstechnical.com <http://tjstechnical.com/> http://tjstechnical.com Compliance News Updates: https://corp.social/@TJS_Technical From: Brian Gregory mailto:brian_greg...@netzero.net> > Sent: Monday, June 19, 2023 3:56 PM To: tsm...@tjstechnical.com <mailto:tsm...@tjstechnical.com> Subject: Fw: Techstreet Tracking standards Hi Tom, thanks for the feedback. The Techstreet URL points me to the IEEE/SA (standards association). It looks so similar to my normal IEEE account, that I thought I was a subscriber to SA, but I can't say I'm 100% confident in that. Often, things that say they're available at the SA website don't seem to work with my IEEE membership. For instance, I just asked them about ANSI C63.4, which is supposed to be free. I guess I'll try again to IEEE/SA and set up a new, different account. Regards, Brian Gregory Denver, Colorado 720-450-4933 -- Forwarded Message -- From: Tom Smith mailto:tsm...@tjstechnical.com> > To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: Re: [PSES] Tracking standards updates Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2023 11:36:57 -0600 Brian, For IEC and EN, EVS in Estonia (www.evs.ee <http://www.evs.ee> ) has a Information Service. You can set up an account there and tell them what standards you want monitored for changes. For general standards, Techstreet.com has a standards tracker. This should cover standards for US and for UK also. Regards, Tom Smith, P.Eng Principal Engineer TJS Technical Services Inc. Tel: +1 403-612-6664 Email: <mailto:tsm...@tjstechnical.com> tsm...@tjstechnical.com <http://tjstechnical.com/> http://tjstechnical.com Compliance News Updates: https://corp.social/@TJS_Technical From: Brian Gregory mailto:brian_greg...@netzero.net> > Sent: Monday, June 19, 2023 11:21 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: [PSES] Tracking standards updates Good afternoon compliance colleagues, Have a curiously open-ended question from a major OEM who's very process-oriented. So, I'm gathering ideas on how to track standard updates and changes in multiple markets (US, EU, etc.). I'm familiar with IAEI for collaborating with NA inspectors on NEC updates, and know that UL & ETL have various update notice/networks, but have no idea how to track IEC updates, nor residential code changes for someplace like the UK. This is applicable mostly for safety, perhaps a little on EMC. thanks! "Colorado" Brian 720-450-4933 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org> > All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) <http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html> List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Mike Cantwell mailto:mcantw...@ieee.org> > For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org> > David Heald mailto:dhe...@gmail.com> > _ To unsubscribe from the EMC-PSTC list, click the following link: https://listserv.ieee.org/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=EMC-PSTC <https://listserv.ieee.org/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=EMC-
Re: [PSES] Tracking standards updates
Brian, For IEC and EN, EVS in Estonia (www.evs.ee) has a Information Service. You can set up an account there and tell them what standards you want monitored for changes. For general standards, Techstreet.com has a standards tracker. This should cover standards for US and for UK also. Regards, Tom Smith, P.Eng Principal Engineer TJS Technical Services Inc. Tel: +1 403-612-6664 Email: <mailto:tsm...@tjstechnical.com> tsm...@tjstechnical.com <http://tjstechnical.com/> http://tjstechnical.com Compliance News Updates: https://corp.social/@TJS_Technical From: Brian Gregory Sent: Monday, June 19, 2023 11:21 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Tracking standards updates Good afternoon compliance colleagues, Have a curiously open-ended question from a major OEM who's very process-oriented. So, I'm gathering ideas on how to track standard updates and changes in multiple markets (US, EU, etc.). I'm familiar with IAEI for collaborating with NA inspectors on NEC updates, and know that UL & ETL have various update notice/networks, but have no idea how to track IEC updates, nor residential code changes for someplace like the UK. This is applicable mostly for safety, perhaps a little on EMC. thanks! "Colorado" Brian 720-450-4933 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org> > All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) <http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html> List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Mike Cantwell mailto:mcantw...@ieee.org> > For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org> > David Heald mailto:dhe...@gmail.com> > _ To unsubscribe from the EMC-PSTC list, click the following link: https://listserv.ieee.org/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=EMC-PSTC <https://listserv.ieee.org/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=EMC-PSTC=1> =1 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald: _ To unsubscribe from the EMC-PSTC list, click the following link: https://listserv.ieee.org/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=EMC-PSTC=1
Re: [PSES] SI amendment providing UKCA label deadline extension.
The government has introduced the legislation to make it happen. The government has a majority in parliament therefore passage of the legislation is as certain as anything can be in politics. As it is right now, CE marking (and alternatively UKCA marking) is recognized in the UK, so as long as the legislation passes prior to Dec 31st, it will simply be a continuation of the current status. Regards, Tom Smith, P.Eng Principal Engineer TJS Technical Services Inc. Tel: +1 403-612-6664 Email: <mailto:tsm...@tjstechnical.com> tsm...@tjstechnical.com <http://tjstechnical.com/> http://tjstechnical.com Follow us on Twitter: TJS_Technical From: Scott Xe Sent: November 14, 2022 10:44 PM To: tsm...@tjstechnical.com Cc: EMC-PSTC@listserv.ieee.org Subject: Re: [PSES] SI amendment providing UKCA label deadline extension. Thanks for clarification. Do they take effect immediately? On Tue, 15 Nov 2022 at 12:51, mailto:tsm...@tjstechnical.com> > wrote: The June proposal had similarities, but the difference between now and June is that the June proposal was to allow UKCA markings alternatively on the accompanying documents whereas this proposal extends recognition of the CE marking. Regards, Tom Smith, P.Eng Principal Engineer TJS Technical Services Inc. Tel: +1 403-612-6664 Email: <mailto:tsm...@tjstechnical.com> tsm...@tjstechnical.com <http://tjstechnical.com/> http://tjstechnical.com Follow us on Twitter: TJS_Technical From: Scott Xe mailto:scott...@gmail.com> > Sent: November 14, 2022 9:17 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: Re: [PSES] SI amendment providing UKCA label deadline extension. Hi Charlie, Yes, it is not a brand new extension as it was mentioned in June this year. Hope it amends the SI shortly. Regards, Scott On Tue, 15 Nov 2022 at 01:44, Charlie Blackham mailto:char...@sulisconsultants.com> > wrote: All This relaxation has been trailed / announced, but it is not law until the Statutory Instrument has been published on https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ (it’s not there at time of typing) Best regards Charlie Charlie Blackham Sulis Consultants Ltd Tel: +44 (0)7946 624317 Web: https://sulisconsultants.com/ Registered in England and Wales, number 05466247 From: Tom Smith mailto:tsm...@tjstechnical.com> > Sent: 14 November 2022 17:37 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: Re: [PSES] SI amendment providing UKCA label deadline extension. An announcement was made this morning extending allowance for using the CE marking for an additional 2 years until Dec 31, 2024. https://www.gov.uk/government/news/businesses-to-be-given-uk-product-marking-flexibility Regards, Tom Smith, P.Eng Principal Engineer TJS Technical Services Inc. Tel: +1 403-612-6664 Email: <mailto:tsm...@tjstechnical.com> tsm...@tjstechnical.com <http://tjstechnical.com/> http://tjstechnical.com Follow us on Twitter: TJS_Technical From: Scott Xe mailto:scott...@gmail.com> > Sent: November 14, 2022 9:30 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: Re: [PSES] SI amendment providing UKCA label deadline extension. Dear Scott & Lauren, Today, I received the following info to supplement the above development. "Some news from the Department for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy (BEIS):- HMG intends to introduce legislation to continue recognition of the CE marking and reversed epsilon marking until 31 December 2024 for most goods being placed on the market or put into service in Great Britain as part of new ministers’ commitment to reduce burdens for industry. This package of measures is intended to provide businesses with more flexibility and reduce burdens for businesses. We will use our regulatory autonomy to help businesses navigate the current global economic and supply chain challenges whilst prioritising growth. In parallel, we will also consider how we could reduce costs and burdens associated with the UK regulatory framework in the longer-term, including opportunities under the Product Safety Review. We also intend to introduce legislation to give effect to the measures previously announced in June 2022 with amended timescales, in line with the extension. These measures intend to: • Reduce labelling costs by continuing to allow businesses to affix the UKCA marking, and to include importer information for products from EEA countries (and in some cases, Switzerland) on an accompanying document or a label until 31 December 2027. • Reduce re-testing costs for UKCA certification by allowing conformity assessment activities for CE marking undertaken by 31 December 2024 to be used by manufacturers as the basis for UKCA marking, until the expiry of the certificate or until 31 December
Re: [PSES] SI amendment providing UKCA label deadline extension.
The June proposal had similarities, but the difference between now and June is that the June proposal was to allow UKCA markings alternatively on the accompanying documents whereas this proposal extends recognition of the CE marking. Regards, Tom Smith, P.Eng Principal Engineer TJS Technical Services Inc. Tel: +1 403-612-6664 Email: <mailto:tsm...@tjstechnical.com> tsm...@tjstechnical.com <http://tjstechnical.com/> http://tjstechnical.com Follow us on Twitter: TJS_Technical From: Scott Xe Sent: November 14, 2022 9:17 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] SI amendment providing UKCA label deadline extension. Hi Charlie, Yes, it is not a brand new extension as it was mentioned in June this year. Hope it amends the SI shortly. Regards, Scott On Tue, 15 Nov 2022 at 01:44, Charlie Blackham mailto:char...@sulisconsultants.com> > wrote: All This relaxation has been trailed / announced, but it is not law until the Statutory Instrument has been published on https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ (it’s not there at time of typing) Best regards Charlie Charlie Blackham Sulis Consultants Ltd Tel: +44 (0)7946 624317 Web: https://sulisconsultants.com/ Registered in England and Wales, number 05466247 From: Tom Smith mailto:tsm...@tjstechnical.com> > Sent: 14 November 2022 17:37 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: Re: [PSES] SI amendment providing UKCA label deadline extension. An announcement was made this morning extending allowance for using the CE marking for an additional 2 years until Dec 31, 2024. https://www.gov.uk/government/news/businesses-to-be-given-uk-product-marking-flexibility Regards, Tom Smith, P.Eng Principal Engineer TJS Technical Services Inc. Tel: +1 403-612-6664 Email: <mailto:tsm...@tjstechnical.com> tsm...@tjstechnical.com <http://tjstechnical.com/> http://tjstechnical.com Follow us on Twitter: TJS_Technical From: Scott Xe mailto:scott...@gmail.com> > Sent: November 14, 2022 9:30 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: Re: [PSES] SI amendment providing UKCA label deadline extension. Dear Scott & Lauren, Today, I received the following info to supplement the above development. "Some news from the Department for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy (BEIS):- HMG intends to introduce legislation to continue recognition of the CE marking and reversed epsilon marking until 31 December 2024 for most goods being placed on the market or put into service in Great Britain as part of new ministers’ commitment to reduce burdens for industry. This package of measures is intended to provide businesses with more flexibility and reduce burdens for businesses. We will use our regulatory autonomy to help businesses navigate the current global economic and supply chain challenges whilst prioritising growth. In parallel, we will also consider how we could reduce costs and burdens associated with the UK regulatory framework in the longer-term, including opportunities under the Product Safety Review. We also intend to introduce legislation to give effect to the measures previously announced in June 2022 with amended timescales, in line with the extension. These measures intend to: • Reduce labelling costs by continuing to allow businesses to affix the UKCA marking, and to include importer information for products from EEA countries (and in some cases, Switzerland) on an accompanying document or a label until 31 December 2027. • Reduce re-testing costs for UKCA certification by allowing conformity assessment activities for CE marking undertaken by 31 December 2024 to be used by manufacturers as the basis for UKCA marking, until the expiry of the certificate or until 31 December 2027, whichever is sooner." Cheers, Scott On Sat, 12 Nov 2022 at 05:55, Scott Aldous <0220f70c299a-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org <mailto:0220f70c299a-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org> > wrote: Hi Lauren, It's a good question. A draft amendment was published on 6 September to effect the extension, but the draft was withdrawn on 10 October, stating that "a new version will be published in due course". More information here <https://www.gov.uk/eu-withdrawal-act-2018-statutory-instruments/the-product-safety-and-metrology-amendment-regulations-2022> . ExVeritas published an article on this on 3 November (in the context of ATEX Directive but generally applicable). You can find that article here <https://www.exveritas.com/2022/11/03/proposed-ukca-ex-atex-legislation-changes-withdrawn/> . Unfortunately the article doesn't give much more information. On Wed, Nov 9, 2022 at 11:14 AM Lauren Crane <1afd08519f18-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org <mailto:1afd08519f18-dmarc-re
Re: [PSES] SI amendment providing UKCA label deadline extension.
An announcement was made this morning extending allowance for using the CE marking for an additional 2 years until Dec 31, 2024. https://www.gov.uk/government/news/businesses-to-be-given-uk-product-marking-flexibility Regards, Tom Smith, P.Eng Principal Engineer TJS Technical Services Inc. Tel: +1 403-612-6664 Email: <mailto:tsm...@tjstechnical.com> tsm...@tjstechnical.com <http://tjstechnical.com/> http://tjstechnical.com Follow us on Twitter: TJS_Technical From: Scott Xe Sent: November 14, 2022 9:30 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] SI amendment providing UKCA label deadline extension. Dear Scott & Lauren, Today, I received the following info to supplement the above development. "Some news from the Department for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy (BEIS):- HMG intends to introduce legislation to continue recognition of the CE marking and reversed epsilon marking until 31 December 2024 for most goods being placed on the market or put into service in Great Britain as part of new ministers’ commitment to reduce burdens for industry. This package of measures is intended to provide businesses with more flexibility and reduce burdens for businesses. We will use our regulatory autonomy to help businesses navigate the current global economic and supply chain challenges whilst prioritising growth. In parallel, we will also consider how we could reduce costs and burdens associated with the UK regulatory framework in the longer-term, including opportunities under the Product Safety Review. We also intend to introduce legislation to give effect to the measures previously announced in June 2022 with amended timescales, in line with the extension. These measures intend to: • Reduce labelling costs by continuing to allow businesses to affix the UKCA marking, and to include importer information for products from EEA countries (and in some cases, Switzerland) on an accompanying document or a label until 31 December 2027. • Reduce re-testing costs for UKCA certification by allowing conformity assessment activities for CE marking undertaken by 31 December 2024 to be used by manufacturers as the basis for UKCA marking, until the expiry of the certificate or until 31 December 2027, whichever is sooner." Cheers, Scott On Sat, 12 Nov 2022 at 05:55, Scott Aldous <0220f70c299a-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org <mailto:0220f70c299a-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org> > wrote: Hi Lauren, It's a good question. A draft amendment was published on 6 September to effect the extension, but the draft was withdrawn on 10 October, stating that "a new version will be published in due course". More information here <https://www.gov.uk/eu-withdrawal-act-2018-statutory-instruments/the-product-safety-and-metrology-amendment-regulations-2022> . ExVeritas published an article on this on 3 November (in the context of ATEX Directive but generally applicable). You can find that article here <https://www.exveritas.com/2022/11/03/proposed-ukca-ex-atex-legislation-changes-withdrawn/> . Unfortunately the article doesn't give much more information. On Wed, Nov 9, 2022 at 11:14 AM Lauren Crane <1afd08519f18-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org <mailto:1afd08519f18-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org> > wrote: Hello All, Among all the UKCA discussion I have not noticed information on whether the promised no-label extension to 2026, though promised on government websites, is actually in the works with hope of becoming law before Jan 1, 2023. Does anyone have information on this point? Best Regards, -Lauren LAM RESEARCH CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail transmission, and any documents, files, or previous e-mail messages attached to it, (collectively, "E-mail Transmission") may be subject to one or more of the following based on the associated sensitivity level: E-mail Transmission (i) contains confidential information, (ii) is prohibited from distribution outside of Lam, and/or (iii) is intended solely for and restricted to the specified recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient, or a person responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of any of the information contained in or attached to this message is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you have received this transmission in error, please immediately notify the sender and destroy the original transmission and its attachments without reading them or saving them to disk. Thank you Confidential – Limited Access and Use - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org <mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org
Re: [PSES] -60Vdc Telecom Center Locations
As Joe indicates, higher than normal voltages can exist on long loops. Even in Canada voltage could go up to -105Vdc on a very long loop. Regards, Tom Smith, P.Eng Principal Engineer TJS Technical Services Inc. Tel: +1 403-612-6664 Email: mailto:tsm...@tjstechnical.com tsm...@tjstechnical.com http://tjstechnical.com/ http://tjstechnical.com Follow us on Twitter: TJS_Technical From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Joe Randolph Sent: August-15-13 12:07 PM To: Marko Radojicic; John Woodgate; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] -60Vdc Telecom Center Locations Hi Marko: It is important to understand that over time, a variety of different central offices were installed in various countries, and these sometime used different battery voltages. The entries in Table 1.5.1 in ETS 300 001 represent what each country reported having in service at the time the document was written. While the majority of the central offices in a given country may have been 48 VDC, if there were a few that used 60 VDC, this was reported and was incorporated into ETS 300 001. Some countries (and I believe Norway is an example) have made an effort to phase out 60 VDC batteries in favor of 48 VDC. However, as far as I know, Germany and Austria continue to use 60 VDC. Also note that what might be called the standard battery voltage in a given country is always between 48 VDC and 60 VDC. This is the range of battery voltages used on normal analog lines. For unusually long lines, however, some countries occasionally resort to using a double battery that can reach values over 100 VDC. These situations are not typical and the high battery voltages are used only on very long lines with a lot of DC resistance. The entry of 89 - 104 VDC for France is an example of this. Table 1.5.2 ( test values for feeding conditions) may be a better source for determining what each country had in mind at the time the document was written. These are the actual values to be used for the prescribed tests. Note that the double-battery for France does not appear. At the outset of this thread I neglected to ask you why you are looking for this information. Are you interested in compatibility issues, safety issues, or something else? In terms of compatibility the higher voltages typically don't represent a problem for most equipment, since the higher voltages are usually coupled with higher source resistance in the feed circuit, so that the short-circuit feed current remains below 100 mA in most cases. For safety compliance, I believe that all of the standard battery voltages now used in Europe qualify for classification as TNV-3. Joe Randolph Telecom Design Consultant Randolph Telecom, Inc. 781-721-2848 (USA) j...@randolph-telecom.com http://www.randolph-telecom.com http://www.randolph-telecom.com/ Hi Joe, Tom, Thanks! I was not aware of ETS 300 001. Since this standard is available free of charge (thanks ETSI), I could quickly review. It appears that you are getting information from Table 1.5.1, Column Vf, with any maximum level that equals 60V. If that is not correct, please let me know. The values for France (89 - 104V), Greece (44 - 66V), Netherlands (42 - 66V), and Poland (60 ± 6V) give me pause for concern. It appears to indicate that 66V (and 104V !! for France) is a nominal input voltage. I wonder about the validity of the information in this table. Hi John, What is the best way to submit a question to ETSI? Poking around a bit on the ETSI.org website doesn't return anything obvious. The TC-TE committee which created this document no longer exists. It appears that the TC-EE committee is now the right forum and I will send a message to Marcello Pagnozzi as indicated below. If there is a better path, that would be great if you could let me know. EE Environmental Engineering Chairman: Beniamino Gorini, Alcatel-Lucent Secretary: Paolo Gemma, Huawei Technologies (UK) Contact Person: Marcello Pagnozzi mailto:marcello.pagno...@etsi.org Regards, Marko From: John Woodgate j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 11:26 PM Subject: Re: [PSES] -60Vdc Telecom Center Locations In message 1376519590.33659.yahoomail...@web161404.mail.bf1.yahoo.com, dated Wed, 14 Aug 2013, Marko Radojicic radojic...@yahoo.com writes: Has anyone seen a list or a description of where Telecom Central Offices with -60Vdc (nominal) battery plants are located? It should be possible to submit this question to ETSI itself. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best wishes. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk/ Why is the stapler always empty just when you want it? John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail
Re: [PSES] -60Vdc Telecom Center Locations
It looks like Netherlands, Norway, Poland and Slovakia also used it (looking at the 1998 edition of ETSI 300 001) Regards, Tom Smith, P.Eng Principal Engineer TJS Technical Services Inc. Tel: +1 403-612-6664 Email: mailto:tsm...@tjstechnical.com tsm...@tjstechnical.com http://tjstechnical.com/ http://tjstechnical.com Follow us on Twitter: TJS_Technical From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Joe Randolph Sent: August-14-13 5:23 PM To: Marko Radojicic; emc-pstc Subject: Re: -60Vdc Telecom Center Locations Hi Marko: I'm not sure what present practices are for recent installations, but historically two of the countries that used 60 VDC central office batteries were Germany and Austria. In addition to these two countries, my 1997 copy of ETS 300 001 lists Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Greece, and Luxembourg as using 60 VDC batteries. Joe Randolph Telecom Design Consultant Randolph Telecom, Inc. 781-721-2848 (USA) j...@randolph-telecom.com http://www.randolph-telecom.com http://www.randolph-telecom.com/ Hello All, Google has not been helpful. Perhaps someone here has more information than the Interwebs. Has anyone seen a list or a description of where Telecom Central Offices with -60Vdc (nominal) battery plants are located? Anecdotal stories handed down over the years say that -60Vdc offices are only present in eastern Europe but I cannot find any documented evidence. Ideally it would be a table that states the percentage of COs that use -60Vdc in that country, i.e., Poland xx%, Germany yy%, etc. ETSI EN 300 132-2 states that these offices are no longer preferred but are still deployed. Exact wording is below. Thanks, Marko -- Annex A (informative): -60 VDC systems When equipment is added to existing -60 VDC systems the requirements given in table A.1, deviating from the requirements of the present document, may be used. NOTE: This variation may be necessary due to established national practice which cannot be changed for a long period of time, for instance when an existing network structure is based on -60 VDC power feeding. -- - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
[PSES] Request for older edition CSA C22.2 No. 250-13
Can anyone help me in getting ahold of a copy of the older 2010 issue of CSA C22.2 No.250-13 Light emitting diode (LED) equipment for lighting applications, or point me in the right direction where I might obtain a copy? Regards, Tom Smith, P.Eng Principal Engineer TJS Technical Services Inc. Tel: +1 403-612-6664 Email: tsm...@tjstechnical.com http://tjstechnical.com Follow us on Twitter: TJS_Technical - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
[PSES] ATEX Qualified Contract Manufacturer
I have a client who is looking for a low volume contract manufacturer located in Asia (preferably Taiwan or China) who has a EN 80079-34 registered quality system in place. Any suggestions? Regards, Tom Smith, P.Eng Principal Engineer TJS Technical Services Inc. Tel: +1 403-612-6664 Email: tsm...@tjstechnical.com http://tjstechnical.com Follow us on Twitter: TJS_Technical - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] NRTL requiring duplicate testing
There is no requirement in the US for one NRTL to accept the results of mark of another NRTL, though generally many will. Regards, Tom Smith, P.Eng Principal Engineer TJS Technical Services Inc. Tel: +1 403-612-6664 Email: mailto:tsm...@tjstechnical.com tsm...@tjstechnical.com http://tjstechnical.com/ http://tjstechnical.com Follow us on Twitter: TJS_Technical From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Carl Newton Sent: April-29-13 12:54 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: NRTL requiring duplicate testing Customer has a medical wall-wort power supply that has the typical NRTL (call them NRTL1) safety mark that you'd expect to see on a power supply marketed within the USA. Customer's entire device is located within the secondary of that wall-wort power supply and includes no connections to other mains connected devices. Now another one of the large well-known NRTLs (I'll call them NRTL2) which is handling the AAMI 60601-1 project for customer's end product is requiring that 100% dielectric voltage withstand testing be repeated on the power supplies. The power supply manufacturer has provided sections of their NRTL1 File that details the requirement for 100% testing of their supply in manufacturing as well as the voltage amplitude and duration required. Still, customer's NRTL2 is demanding that this test be repeated upon 100% of the power supplies at customer's premises. It appears that I have no choice but to agree to repeat the additional testing. This adds cost to manufacturing and flies in the face of great efforts on the part of American manufacturers that try to keep their operations within the USA by maximizing productivity. I've worked on many other projects with wall-wort and external brick power supplies with other NRTLs and this has never been a requirement. I try to keep an open mind even when I'm disagreed with. But I think that this is the first time in my 30ish years of compliance work that I've seen engineering judgment completely thrown out the window. I'm interested in other points of view. Carl - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Critical component in EMC report
What the EMC Report ought to contain to is the model number, revision and or latest ECN implemented (if that is available), software revision running on the product (if relevant) and detailed photos of the product tested. Then if there is a change in the emissions profile on a future sample, you can do a comparison. Maintaining the golden sample which was originally tested is also recommended if that is feasible. Tom Smith, P.Eng Principal Engineer TJS Technical Services Inc. Tel: +1 403-612-6664 Email: mailto:tsm...@tjstechnical.com tsm...@tjstechnical.com http://www.tjstechnical.com/ http://www.tjstechnical.com Follow us on Twitter: TJS_Technical -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of lapro...@yahoo.com Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 3:51 PM To: Scott Xe; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Critical component in EMC report What's critical for product safety isn't always critical for EMC - they are two compliance domains and 3rd party lab reports treat them as such. While EMC involves assessment to regulatory limits for emissions (potential for interference) or immunity to external interference, product safety tends to address potential for electric shock, fire, and other hazards. EMC reports document EUT test setups, instrumentation used, etc to assure repeatability of test data, product safety reports conversely document critical components, and some EUT test setups. One other point (for US based folks) - critical components are typically checked by the certifying agency versus the report during routine field inspections post-production, though such routine inspections aren't done for EMC. _ From: Scott Xe scott...@gmail.com To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 11:48 AM Subject: [PSES] Critical component in EMC report It is common not to have critical component list in EMC reports issued from 3rd party laboratories. Those information are essential to track if the correct parts to be used in mass production. What is main reason not to have it as a common practice in the field? Thanks and regards, Scott - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] EU Group
I presume that they are referring to the EU Group Differences/Deviations. That term is a standard term used on the CB report, but I would agree if you were only looking for one country to be included, there should have been assessment for only those deviations. Regards, Tom Smith, P.Eng Principal Engineer TJS Technical Services Inc. Tel: +1 403-612-6664 Email: mailto:tsm...@tjstechnical.com tsm...@tjstechnical.com http://tjstechnical.com/ http://tjstechnical.com Follow us on Twitter: TJS_Technical From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Grace Lin Sent: March-08-13 10:27 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: EU Group Dear Members, Is EU Group an international recognized term? I reviewed a CB report with EU Group listed. I requested to have each individual country listed. The reply was additional USD400 charge. I cannot be convinced for the charge. Thank you very much. Best regards, Grace Lin - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] EU Group
Maybe Klingon should have been KR for Kronos, their home planet. Regards, Tom Smith, P.Eng Principal Engineer TJS Technical Services Inc. Tel: +1 403-612-6664 Email: tsm...@tjstechnical.com http://tjstechnical.com Follow us on Twitter: TJS_Technical -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Brian Oconnell Sent: March-08-13 12:19 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: EU Group My 'typical' CBTR, for the most recent ITE TRF, uses the term EU Group Differences and EU Special National Conditions and/or National Differences, followed by country codes, and code explanations. I once had a report rejected because it used 'KL' for Klingon national difference. One would think that CABs would be more open to additional test conditions... Brian -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of John Woodgate Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 10:12 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: EU Group In message cajq2vagqy+a3r7qmjczs0qoe6+ywevna6hx6hucqipp2mt7...@mail.gmail.com, dated Fri, 8 Mar 2013, Grace Lin graceli...@gmail.com writes: Is EU Group an international recognized term? No. I reviewed a CB report with EU Group listed. Ask for a definition of 'EU group' to be added to the report. I requested to have each individual country listed. The reply was additional USD400 charge. I cannot be convinced for the charge. It sounds totally unsupportable. Can anybody ask IECEE (which runs the CB Scheme) about it? -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk SHOCK HORROR! Dinosaur-like DNA found in chicken and turkey meals John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] EU Group
Yes it was the moon that blew up but I think you are correct that they had to move anyway because the impact was going to make the world un-inhabitable in something like 40 years. Regards, Tom Smith, P.Eng Principal Engineer TJS Technical Services Inc. Tel: +1 403-612-6664 Email: tsm...@tjstechnical.com http://tjstechnical.com Follow us on Twitter: TJS_Technical -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Dward Sent: March-08-13 2:04 PM To: 'Tom Smith'; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: [PSES] EU Group Oh wait, wasn't that the moon that blew up - I think they still had to move Dennis Ward Senior Certification Engineer PCTEST This communication and its attachments contain information from PCTEST Engineering Laboratory, Inc., and is intended for the exclusive use of the recipient (s) named above. It may contain information that is confidential and/or legally privileged. Any unauthorized use that may compromise that confidentiality via distribution or disclosure is prohibited. Please notify the sender immediately if you receive this communication in error, and delete it from your computer system. Usage of PCTEST email addresses for non-business related activities is strictly prohibited. No warranty is made that the e-mail or attachment(s) are free from computer virus or other defect. Thank you. -Original Message- From: Dward [mailto:dw...@pctestlab.com] Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 1:02 PM To: 'Tom Smith'; 'EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG' Subject: RE: [PSES] EU Group Kronos blew up, they had to move Dennis Ward Senior Certification Engineer PCTEST This communication and its attachments contain information from PCTEST Engineering Laboratory, Inc., and is intended for the exclusive use of the recipient (s) named above. It may contain information that is confidential and/or legally privileged. Any unauthorized use that may compromise that confidentiality via distribution or disclosure is prohibited. Please notify the sender immediately if you receive this communication in error, and delete it from your computer system. Usage of PCTEST email addresses for non-business related activities is strictly prohibited. No warranty is made that the e-mail or attachment(s) are free from computer virus or other defect. Thank you. -Original Message- From: Tom Smith [mailto:tsm...@tjstechnical.com] Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 11:36 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] EU Group Maybe Klingon should have been KR for Kronos, their home planet. Regards, Tom Smith, P.Eng Principal Engineer TJS Technical Services Inc. Tel: +1 403-612-6664 Email: tsm...@tjstechnical.com http://tjstechnical.com Follow us on Twitter: TJS_Technical -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Brian Oconnell Sent: March-08-13 12:19 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: EU Group My 'typical' CBTR, for the most recent ITE TRF, uses the term EU Group Differences and EU Special National Conditions and/or National Differences, followed by country codes, and code explanations. I once had a report rejected because it used 'KL' for Klingon national difference. One would think that CABs would be more open to additional test conditions... Brian -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of John Woodgate Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 10:12 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: EU Group In message cajq2vagqy+a3r7qmjczs0qoe6+ywevna6hx6hucqipp2mt7...@mail.gmail.com, dated Fri, 8 Mar 2013, Grace Lin graceli...@gmail.com writes: Is EU Group an international recognized term? No. I reviewed a CB report with EU Group listed. Ask for a definition of 'EU group' to be added to the report. I requested to have each individual country listed. The reply was additional USD400 charge. I cannot be convinced for the charge. It sounds totally unsupportable. Can anybody ask IECEE (which runs the CB Scheme) about it? -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk SHOCK HORROR! Dinosaur-like DNA found in chicken and turkey meals John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw
Re: [PSES] Sanity check - Korea please
There are a number of problems with this request in addition to the 14 year old data. The last I reviewed the Korea requirements, though very close to the EN requirements, there were differences, and the testing must be done at a lab recognized by Korea – some are located in Canada and the US. Tom Smith, P.Eng Principal Engineer TJS Technical Services Inc. Tel: +1 403-612-6664 Email: tsm...@tjstechnical.com http://tjstechnical.com http://tjstechnical.com/ Follow us on Twitter: TJS_Technical From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Bill Owsley Sent: December-12-12 9:36 PM To: rpick...@rpqconsulting.com; 'McInturff, Gary' Cc: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: Sanity check - Korea please Last I heard, Korea is an in country test, or one of a very few external approved labs. Don't take any more calls from the customer, unless it is prefaced with a request for a quote for the new testing required. _ From: Ron Pickard RPQ rpick...@rpqconsulting.com To: 'McInturff, Gary' gary.mcintu...@esterline.com Cc: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 9:01 PM Subject: RE: Sanity check - Korea please Hi Gary, Korea aside, how would a 14 yr old EU/CE EMC test report still provide a presumption of conformity with the current EMC or RTTE Directives as their lists of harmonized standards are regularly revised/updated? Given the EU standards you’re referencing, I assume that the product in question is an unintentional radiator (no wireless transmitters). Does safety (60950-1, 60950, 950) also apply? What inter-communication features does this product have (PSTN, etc.)? As you can see, depending on this product’s features, actual compliance time/costs can spiral further than a new EMC test report. Regarding Korea, I will have to bow to others more experienced with the new KCC requirements. Best regards, Ron Pickard From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of McInturff, Gary Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 6:26 PM To: 'EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG' Subject: Sanity check - Korea please I have a customer with a EMC test about 14 years old now – and it was done to US and EU requirements 55022 55024 etc. They now have a requirement for Korea and are insisting that Korean approval can be gained without a Korean acceptance of the test – which requires documented evidence that the tests were perform at Korean required voltage an frequency. Ignoring the fact that generally no county accepts test reports that old for a new approval even if the design has never changed. Can anyone verify that Korea will not accept for approval test data that doesn’t clearly indicate the appropriate test voltages and frequencies are used – will they accept European test voltages. The bottom line is that after 14 years they have a new requirement and want us to eat the cost of getting it, somehow assuming we should have known better than they that in the far distant future they would have a new market. Gary McInturff Reliability/Compliance Engineer Esterline Interface Technologies Featuring ADVANCED INPUT, MEMTRON, and LRE MEDICAL products 600 W. Wilbur Avenue Coeur d’Alene, ID 83815-9496 Office:208-635-8306 Cell: 509 868 2279 Toll Free: 800-444-5923 X 1238 gary.mcintu...@esterline.com mailto:brian.s...@esterline.com http://www.esterline.com/advancedinput www.esterline.com/interfacetechnologies Technology, Innovation, Performance... - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website
Re: [PSES] Are Product Safety Certifications Mandatory in Canada?
The amount of time required and the specific tests that would be involved in the special inspection, which would typically be for a single product or system (or a small very small number) would depend greatly on the type of product it is, and is similar to an electrical inspection - the intent is the same - to make sure that once power is applied to the product that the product is safe to operate. If the product has the certification from a recognized certification body (i.e. CSA, UL, NEMKO, Intertek, etc.) then the special inspection is not required. It would be required only if the product to be installed is not previously approved for use in Canada. If you have a specific need in this regard, please give me a call - whether the product requires certification or special inspection. Once I have the details, I can tell you if we can assist and if we can't I can point you to someone who can. Tom Smith, P.Eng Product Safety and Approvals Consultant TJS Technical Services Inc. Tel: +1 403-612-6664 Email: tsm...@tjstechnical.com http://tjstechnical.com http://tjstechnical.com/ Follow us on Twitter: TJS_Technical From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Wiseman, Joshua E Sent: November-02-12 6:46 AM To: McInturff, Gary; 'EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG' Subject: RE: Are Product Safety Certifications Mandatory in Canada? Now it is a little more work than that. Last one I was involved in we did a quick and dirty temperature test, dielectric, ground bond and visual inspection to ensure proper fusing, the power switch breaks line, PE is green yellow/green, etc. The inspection takes about 2 hrs then the report is a short report that goes with it. This inspection is called a Special Inspection and it is performed to SPE-1000, we would also include portions of the product standard for limits and construction requirements. Not sure if this is the same as the Hydro inspection but it sounds like it could be. Josh From: McInturff, Gary [mailto:gary.mcintu...@esterline.com] Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 4:19 PM To: Wiseman, Joshua E; 'EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG' Subject: RE: Are Product Safety Certifications Mandatory in Canada? Hydro - inspections I believe they are called. It's been awhile, but commercial businesses etc were awfully careful about making certain there were certifications marks on equipment before they were turned on. I had to make a few trips into Canada for trade shows on equipment that had complete the process. The hotel's that trade shows were being held at would not allow us to even move the equipment to the show floor without the hydro authority inspections, and paperwork. It wasn't a very detailed inspection, about I all I can remember is making sure there was a ground connection and that the power switch was on the hot side of the outlet. It only took about an hour and I don't really know what the inspector did other than those two tests. This was many years ago so maybe they've changed except I still see references to Hydro Authority inspections. Last point the inspection was provincial only, move the same equipment with the hydro sticker on it to another province and it required a new inspection. Was all that bad. Lots of slack time and I still wish I could get some Ontario Smoke meat - it was pretty tasty Gary From: Wiseman, Joshua E [mailto:joshua.e.wise...@carrier.utc.com] Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 1:46 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Are Product Safety Certifications Mandatory in Canada? Jim, Yes, I don't remember what code or regulation this is stated in, but when I was working at an NRTL occasionally we would have a customer asking how to get items through customs because it was not approved. Canada has a Special Inspection program that is similar to field evaluations in the US and it is fairly well regulated by the SCC. There are many manufacturers who ship products in to the country and get away with it, but occasionally customs will stop shipments until you can provide evidence of compliance or have a special inspection performed. Josh From: Jim Hulbert [mailto:jim.hulb...@pb.com] Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 3:35 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Are Product Safety Certifications Mandatory in Canada? In the U.S., there are OSHA regulations that require electrical apparatus used in the workplace be certified to U.S. standards by one of OSHA's Nationally Recognized Test Laboratories (NRTL's). Is there a similar regulation in Canada that requires electrical apparatus used in the workplace be certified by one of the Standards Council of Canada approved test laboratories to Canadian standards? Jim Hulbert Pitney Bowes _ - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail
[PSES] Logo Identification
Can someone identify the organization that issues this logo? http://tjstechnical.com/images/IMG_0238-1.jpg Tom Smith, P.Eng Product Safety and Approvals Consultant TJS Technical Services Inc. Tel: +1 403-612-6664 Email: tsm...@tjstechnical.com http://tjstechnical.com http://tjstechnical.com/ Follow us on Twitter: TJS_Technical - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Are Product Safety Certifications Mandatory in Canada?
The answer is yes - each province has an electrical code mandated by law and a set of the certification marks which are recognized within that province. In additional, Canada Occupational Health and Safety Regulations SOR/86-304, Clause 8.3 mandates compliance of electrical equipment with the Canadian Electrical Code. In Canada the number of the electrical equipment safety standards is C22.2 Part. which refers to the Canadian Electrical Code Part 2 (Part 1 being the equivalent of the NEC in the US). The specific regulation / legislation mandating the marks which are acceptable would vary from province to province but in effect the same agencies are generally accepted across all provinces of Canada. Prior to being accepted as a certifying agency in any province, the organization would have to be accredited either by SCC or by an equivalent agency deemed acceptable to the provincial authorities. Tom Smith, P.Eng Product Safety and Approvals Consultant TJS Technical Services Inc. Tel: +1 403-612-6664 Email: tsm...@tjstechnical.com http://tjstechnical.com http://tjstechnical.com/ Follow us on Twitter: TJS_Technical From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Jim Hulbert Sent: November-01-12 2:35 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Are Product Safety Certifications Mandatory in Canada? In the U.S., there are OSHA regulations that require electrical apparatus used in the workplace be certified to U.S. standards by one of OSHA's Nationally Recognized Test Laboratories (NRTL's). Is there a similar regulation in Canada that requires electrical apparatus used in the workplace be certified by one of the Standards Council of Canada approved test laboratories to Canadian standards? Jim Hulbert Pitney Bowes _ - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Gaming equipment Slot machines - Standard?
Have a look at EN 60335-1 and EN 60335-2-82. Tom Smith, P.Eng Product Safety and Approvals Consultant TJS Technical Services Inc. Tel: +1 403-612-6664 Email: tsm...@tjstechnical.com http://tjstechnical.com http://tjstechnical.com/ Follow us on Twitter: TJS_Technical From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of McInturff, Gary Sent: October-23-12 11:01 AM To: 'EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG' Subject: Gaming equipment Slot machines - Standard? I think UL 22 covers it in the US but does anybody have a clue for EU? Thanks Gary McInturff Reliability/Compliance Engineer Esterline Interface Technologies Featuring ADVANCED INPUT, MEMTRON, and LRE MEDICAL products 600 W. Wilbur Avenue Coeur d'Alene, ID 83815-9496 Office:208-635-8306 Cell: 509 868 2279 Toll Free: 800-444-5923 X 1238 gary.mcintu...@esterline.com mailto:brian.s...@esterline.com http://www.esterline.com/advancedinput www.esterline.com/interfacetechnologies Technology, Innovation, Performance... - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] e-standard.org The cheapest standards in the world
The real cost of standards would be considerably higher I suspect if it were not for all the volunteers who contribute time and effort into developing the standards. The standards that really give me sticker shock are Telcordia who charge money for participation on the standard development committees and then charge for many of their more popular standards by quoting based upon the financial condition and size of the company buying the standard. But I digress - I am very wary of this particular site - we have all heard, no doubt, of how unusually cheap DVDs can be purchased from sources reputed to be in China who copy the original without regard to copyright. I also notice that http://e-standards.org goes to the real ANSI standards store with the prices normally expected, whereas the site in question removes the s and claims to be ANSI. It seems to me that they are trying to get traffic from people who mis-type the real ANSI standards store URL. Has anyone called ANSI to ask? Regards, Tom Smith, P.Eng Product Safety and Approvals Consultant TJS Technical Services Inc. Tel: +1 403-612-6664 Email: mailto:tsm...@tjstechnical.com tsm...@tjstechnical.com http://www.tjstechnical.com/ http://www.tjstechnical.com Follow us on Twitter: TJS_Technical -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Derek Walton Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 11:41 AM To: McInturff, Gary Cc: don.g...@alcatel-lucent.com; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] e-standard.org The cheapest standards in the world I'd counter with the price of one of the best EMC standards, mil std 461.. I like the price of that even better Copying .pdfs does not cost in excess of a few dollars. Sent from my iPhone On May 8, 2012, at 12:08 PM, McInturff, Gary gary.mcintu...@esterline.com wrote: Reasonable is a subjective word. If I’m comparing standard prices from one source or the other the legitimate site is reasonable compared to other legitimate sites, but when I compare them to other printed matter including my daughter medical texts, math texts, or worse e-books the costs are huge. I can even get an actor to read me the book and still magnitudes of order difference. So I always suffer sticker shock when I hunting for standards. As I understand the price supports the standards activities – which is the reason I buy from legitimate sources. Gary From: Derek Walton [mailto:lfresea...@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 9:38 AM To: McInturff, Gary Cc: don.g...@alcatel-lucent.com; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] e-standard.org The cheapest standards in the world Always one to buck the trend, I think these are reasonable prices We are ripped off by standards bodies left right and centre MHO Derek Sent from my iPhone On May 8, 2012, at 10:05 AM, McInturff, Gary gary.mcintu...@esterline.com wrote: Would appear the real pirates are at UL and BSI Gary From: Don Gies [mailto:don.g...@alcatel-lucent.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 6:25 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] e-standard.org The cheapest standards in the world Ahoy, me hearties! My view is that there are too many standards that are too cheap at this site, and if ANSI were really powering it, they would be doing so from their own site. This site might as well hoist high the Jolly Roger, because it’s occupied by pirates. Ex.: UL 60950-1 for $20 instead of $422? BS EN 60950-1 for $20 instead of £161 to BSI Members, £322 to non-members? DON GIES ALCATEL-LUCENT SENIOR PRODUCT COMPLIANCE ENGINEER BELL LABS - GLOBAL PRODUCT COMPLIANCE LABORATORY 600-700 Mountain Avenue Room 5B-104 Murray Hill, NJ 07974-0636 USA Phone: +1 908 582 5978 Fax: +1 908 582 0582 don.g...@alcatel-lucent.com MEMBER, ALCATEL-LUCENT TECHNICAL ACADEMY From: Crane, Lauren [mailto:lauren.cr...@kla-tencor.com] Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 5:29 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: e-standard.org The cheapest standards in the world Does anyone have experience with the subject standards vendor. Their prices are so low (NFPA 70-2011 for $25!?) it has activated all my “if it’s too good to be true” warning systems. Regards, Lauren Crane KLA-Tencor - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html
HP 34970A Data Acquisition/Switch Unit for sale
We have a used HP 34970A Data Acquisition/Switch Unit available for sale. Unit has HPIB/RS-232 interface and external trigger alarm capability. Can be run with Benchlink software. http://we.home.agilent.com/cgi-bin/bv ub/agilent/editorial/cp_MiscEditorial.j p?OID=536915195NAV_ID=-12326.536880681.03LANGUAGE_CODE=engCOUNTRY_CODE=ZZ http://we.home.agilent.com/cgi-bin/bvpu /agilent/editorial/cp_MiscEditorial.jsp OID=536915195NAV_ID=-12326.536880681.03LANGUAGE_CODE=engCOUNTRY_CODE=ZZ Can accommodate (but does not come with) plug in modules http://literature.agilent.com/litweb/pdf/5988-4786EN.html http://literature.agilent.com/litweb/pdf/5988-4786EN.html to monitor Voltage, Amperage, Resistance and Thermocouple inputs at rates up to 250 channels/s http://we.home.agilent.com/cgi-bin/bv ub/agilent/Product/cp_Product.jsp?NAV_I =-11249.536881544.00LANGUAGE_CODE=engCOUNTRY_CODE=ZZ http://we.home.agilent.com/cgi-bin/bvpu /agilent/Product/cp_Product.jsp?NAV_ID= 11249.536881544.00LANGUAGE_CODE=engCOUNTRY_CODE=ZZ If you have any trouble with the links, it is likely does to wordwrap to the next link. Just copy and paste the rest of the link into the browser, and it should work. If you are interested, please contact Michael Cogill at michael.cog...@sanmina-sci.com or by phone at 403-295-5107 Regards, Tom Smith Manager, Homologation and Safety Sanmina-SCI Canada ULC Phone (403) 295-5156 Cell Phone (403) 875-1291 FAX (403) 295-4094 Email: tom.sm...@sanmina-sci.com
GTEM and 3m Chamber For Sale
The following items are for sale. If you are interested, please reply by private email to tom.sm...@sanmina-sci.com for further information. 1) 3m ambient-free pre-compliance EMC chamber, Rantec Model SpaceSaver 25. Chamber is approximately 311 square feet in area, and comes complete with a 600lb max load turntable. It is similar to what is seen here, but also has internal tiles and cones. http://www.ets-lindgren.com/productpage.cfm?model=SpaceSaver_26 http://www.ets-lindgren.com/productpag .cfm?model=SpaceSaver_26producttype=Chambers producttype=Chambers 2) EMCO Model 5317 GTEM and manipulator. A complete description of this unit with photograph can be see on this website: http://www.emctest.com/productpage.cfm?producttype=TEM http://www.emctest.com/productpage.cfm?producttype=TEMmodel=5317 model=5317 Regards, Tom Smith Manager, Homologation and Safety Sanmina-SCI Canada ULC Phone (403) 295-5156 Cell Phone (403) 875-1291 FAX (403) 295-4094 Email: tom.sm...@sanmina-sci.com
Brazil
I am aware that Brazil has joined the IECEE-CB scheme and therefore should now accept CB reports for safety. Does anyone have any additional information regarding options or the process which may be used for acceptance of telecom, safety, and EMC reports which have been produced at labs outside of Brazil? Regards, Tom Smith Manager, Homologation and Safety Sanmina-SCI Canada ULC This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: European Economic Area
Try: http://www.bakom.ch Regards, Tom Smith Manager, Homologation and Safety Sanmina Canada ULC Phone (403) 295-5156 Cell Phone (403) 875-1291 FAX (403) 295-8862 Email: tom.sm...@sanmina.com -Original Message- From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of am...@westin.org Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 2:11 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Re: European Economic Area Thanks Brian for giving us an updating on the status in Switzerland. Does it exist any web-site describing the Swiss EMC, telecom and safety requirements ? Best regards Amund Westin, Oslo/Norway On Fri, 14 Sep 2001 15:35:23 +0100 Brian Jones e...@brianjones.co.uk wrote: Richard and everyone The directives do not apply in Switzerland and therefore the CE marking has no legal significance. As far as EMC is concerned, Switzerland has its own laws including the Law of Electricity 1902, The Law of Telecommunications 1991, the Law of Broadcasting 1991, and Ordinance SR 734, Article 4 of which contains EMC provisions. This was the position when I last checked in detail a couple of years ago. I am not aware of any changes, but perhaps one of the list members from Switzerland could update us if anything has changed recently, and on other provisions such as safety. Best wishes Brian Brian Jones EMC Consultant and Competent Body Signatory Keep up to date with EMC Matters newsletter e-mail newslet...@brianjones.co.uk for a free sample in .pdf format - Original Message - From: wo...@sensormatic.com To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 2:29 PM Subject: RE: European Economic Area Thanks for the clarification, Brian. What is the legal state of the Directives and CE marking in Switzerland? If they don't apply, what does? Richard Woods -- From: Brian Jones [SMTP:e...@brianjones.co.uk] Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 8:56 AM To: wo...@sensormatic.com; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: European Economic Area Richard and everyone The three EFTA countries which are parties to the European Economic Area agreement are Iceland, Norway and Liechtenstein. They apply the directives as if they were members of the EU. Although Switzerland is an EFTA member, it did not join the others in EEA membership. Best wishes Brian Jones EMC Consultant and Competent Body Signatory Keep up to date with EMC Matters newsletter e-mail newslet...@brianjones.co.uk for a free sample in .pdf format - Original Message - From: wo...@sensormatic.com To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 1:17 PM Subject: RE: CE Mark and GOST One slight correction. The Directives and CE marking also legally apply in the EFTA member states: Norway, Iceland and Switzerland and perhaps a couple more that I don't recall at the moment. Richard Woods --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server. -- Get your firstname@lastname email for FREE at http://Nameplanet.com/?su --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators
RE: CE Mark
Actually it is Compliance Europeene. Regards, Tom Smith Manager, Homologation and Safety Sanmina Canada ULC Phone (403) 295-5156 Cell Phone (403) 875-1291 FAX (403) 295-8862 Email: tom.sm...@sanmina.com -Original Message- From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of Jody Leber Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 11:13 AM To: 'emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org' Subject: CE Mark Update on what CE stands for according to the compliance community: 1. Conformite Europeene: 3 votes 2. Communaute European:2 votes 3. One of the above (undecided): 1 votes 4. No meaning: 1 vote Keep the answers coming. Best Regards, Jody Leber Laboratory Manager jle...@ustech-lab.com http://www.ustech-lab.com U. S. Technologies 3505 Francis Circle Alpharetta, GA 30004 770.740.0717 Fax: 770.740.1508 --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
RE: Requirements for a terminal equipment to a telephone network
CS03 will provide you with the proper telecom requirements, and you must also comply with IC ICES-003 for EMI (similar to FCC Part 15) as well as the CSA safety requirements. Regards, Tom Smith Manager, Homologation and Safety Sanmina Canada ULC Phone (403) 295-5156 Cell Phone (403) 875-1291 FAX (403) 295-8862 Email: tom.sm...@sanmina.com -Original Message- From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of Carmen.Filimon Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 8:00 AM To: EMC-PSTC (E-mail) Subject: Requirements for a terminal equipment to a telephone network I'm incorporating a modem design into a IEC/UL/CSA 60950 compliant product. Consequently, I need to conform to telco standards for interfacing to a telephone line. I'm aware that in the US a modem must pass FCC 68 as well as FCC 15 part A (commercial) testing. What standards exist in Canada that we must conform to? Is CS-03 which contains the minimum technical requirements for the certification of terminal equipment, terminal systems, network protection devices and associated connection arrangements the proper national regulation to comply with? Any feedback is appreciated. Regards, Carmen Filimon Leitch Canada --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall, --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall,
Job Posting Senior EMC Engineer
The Sanmina Product Integrity (PI) group is a Global multi-disciplinary engineering team responsible for product design robustness, global regulatory approvals and compliance to customers specification. The Sanmina PI team currently has an opening for a Senior Electromagnetic Compatibility (EMC) Engineer. The PI group works closely with the research and development community and provides design consultancy, engineering and validation testing throughout the product development cycle. The candidate is required to work closely with design teams on several concurrent projects providing advanced EMC engineering expertise and modeling, to ensure product compliance to both EMC and Radio requirements. Involvement could cover all phases of a typical program development cycle; including architectural influence, EMC budgeting and simulation, defining market requirements and product validation for final field release. The candidate will be responsible for organizing the testing of models/prototypes in a state of the art automated facility, to confirm compliance. The candidate should also be able to initiate basic investigations into the cause of EMC radiation, techniques to reduce EM emissions and improve product immunity performance. The EMC engineer will be working closely with the product designers/managers to define market requirements, overall EMC approach and provide identified deficiencies and recommended fixes. The EMC engineer will also be responsible for advancing the test capabilities of the PI lab and ensure accreditation requirements on EMC test cases are acquired and maintained. The EMC engineer may also be called on to mentor junior staff members. Qualifications / Experience Required: - Degree in Electrical Engineering with 10 years of hardware design experience in the Telecommunications industry is preferred. - Exceptional knowledge of EMC theory - Experience with advanced EMC test equipment and modeling tools - Experience with European and North American EMC test requirements (Telcordia GR-1089-CORE, FCC Part 15, ANSI, EN55022, EN55024) - Must have strong interpersonal skills, problem resolution, proactive and self-starter, demonstrated teamwork - Project management skills are desired - Candidates with equivalent experience/skills will also be considered. We offer a competitive salary, benefits package and an exciting work environment which supports your development and recognizes your achievements. Sanmina is an Equal Opportunity Employer. Please contact: Nick Kobrosly 6751 9th Street NE Calgary, AB T2E 8R9 Ph: (403) 295-5128 Fax: (403) 295-8862 Email: nick.kobro...@sanmina.com Regards, Tom Smith Manager, Homologation and Safety Sanmina Canada ULC Phone (403) 295-5156 Cell Phone (403) 875-1291 FAX (403) 295-8862 Email: tom.sm...@sanmina.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall,
Re: Australian Requirements
Reply to: REAustralian Requirements Other AUSTEL approved labs who are not members of the CB scheme may also accept the CB reports, and review and endorse them for use by AUSTEL. Regards, Tom Smith Nortel Product Integrity, Calgary Austel ALE -- List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: 6/23/96 6:26 AM To: Tom Smith From: Kevin Richardson - E X T E R N A L L Y O R I G I N A T E D M E S S A G E - AUSTEL does not accept CB reports as such however they will accept reports from NAMAS approved labs in the UK and any other lab which has been accredited by an organization with a MOU (Memorandum of Understanding) with NATA (Australian NAMAS equivalent). As I mentioned in a previous message, there are presently 2 CB accredited labs in Australia. They can produce their own report from a report from another CB lab. Regards, Kevin Kevin RichardsonPh:043-29-4070 Stanimore Pty Limited Fax: 043-28-5639 The Technology Requirements Specialists Int'l: +61-43-xx- Email: Internet: 100356@compuserve.comCompuserve: 100356,374 -- Forwarded Message -- From: Joe Dwyer/Inter-Tel, INTERNET:joe_dwyer%inter-tel.inter-...@ns.inter-tel.com TO: Kevin Richardson, 100356,374 CC: EMC-PSTC - IEEE, INTERNET:emc-p...@ieee.org DATE: 21/06/96 4:01 PM RE: Re: Australian Requirements Sender: joe_dwyer%inter-tel.inter-...@ns.inter-tel.com Received: from uucp.primenet.com (uucp.primenet.com [204.245.3.11]) by arl-img-4.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id PAA20077; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 15:32:47 -0400 Received: from inter-tel.com (uucp@localhost) by uucp.primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.1) with UUCP id MAA05929 for 100356@compuserve.com; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 12:29:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from ns.inter-tel.com by inter-tel.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11568; Fri, 21 Jun 96 12:16:53 MST Received: by ns.inter-tel.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.2)/1.0) id AA0202; Fri, 21 Jun 96 12:03:47 -0700 Message-Id: 9606211903.aa0...@ns.inter-tel.com Received: from Inter-Tel with Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP id F6681981E1A1D45C0725635000651268; Fri, 21 Jun 96 12:03:47 To: Kevin Richardson 100356@compuserve.com Cc: EMC-PSTC - IEEE emc-p...@ieee.org From: Joe Dwyer/Inter-Tel joe_dwyer%inter-tel.inter-...@ns.inter-tel.com List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: 21 Jun 96 11:56:05 MS Subject: Re: Australian Requirements Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain I would like to add/ask for some clarification to the CB scheme. I have seen this work very well for Information Technology Equipment (ITE). I have had some bad experience with the Telephone Terminal Equipment (TTE). The bad experience was 2 - 3 years ago when we tried to use it with TTE in Australia, at that time Austel did not recognize the CB Scheme. The Standards Australia did accept the CB Scheme for ITE. I know there have been several changes in Australia and I have not been getting approvals in Australia for the last 2 years. Has there been a change? Does Austel accept the CB Scheme? The UK was the same way. BABT did not accept the CB Scheme but British Electrotechnical Approval Board does, I presume for ITE. Now it has moved to a self declare in the EU so the CB Scheme would work for ITE and TTE. As long as the report is done the EN60950. TIPS Whoever does the CB Scheme for you, UL, CSA, DEMKO, etc can provide a list of the countries AND the regulatory bodies in the country that accept the CB Scheme. Make sure the CB Scheme is done to the standards of ALL the countries you intend to go, for ITE this is easier then TTE. Make sure ALL the national deviations are included in the test report. Anybody else want to add to this list? Joe Dwyer Sr. Engineer International Approvals Inter-Tel. Tel:+1 602 961 9000 x1235 7300 West Boston Street Fax:+1 602 961 1370 Chandler, AZ 85226 U.S.A. Internet: dw...@inter-tel.com www.inter-tel.com Inter-Tel designs and sells PBX and Hybrid Telephone equipment worldwide. To: emc-pstc @ ieee.org (EMC-PSTC - IEEE) @ SMTP cc: From: 100356.374 @ compuserve.com (Kevin Richardson) @ SMTP List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: 06/21/96 02:16:41 AM Subject: Re: Australian Requirements Some time ago Brian Kunde wrote about Australia accepting IEC CB reports. I must apologize firstly that I have taken this long to respond. I have been overseas for a week. Brian is correct. It is possible to use an IEC CB report, gained from an IEC CB accredited test house. Such reports can only be accepted however by the IEC CB recognised labs in Australia. They can not be authorized/accepted by all labs in Australia. There are presently two labs in Australia and one
