Re: [PSES] UL 62133-2 Battery Standard + V-1 plastic enclosure

[emcl...@gmail.com]

This NRTL engineer is stating that the UL Recognized battery pack must 
be installed within a V-1 enclosure.  He's telling me that UL 62133-2 is 
driving that requirement, not the end-product safety standard (in this 
case that's UL 61010-1).


Carl


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From "Ralph McDiarmid" 

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Date 3/21/2024 4:56:56 PM
Subject Re: [PSES] UL 62133-2 Battery Standard + V-1 plastic enclosure

Many product safety standards require vertical flame rating for 
polymeric material forming part or all of the enclosure.  I’m surprized 
it doesn’t require V-0 or 5VA.  It’s seems to be about containing a 
fire inside the enclosure.




Ralph



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Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2024 1:32 PM
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Subject: [PSES] UL 62133-2 Battery Standard + V-1 plastic enclosure



Hello All,



This is the first time that I've had a large NRTL safety engineer 
inform me that the UL 62133-2 battery pack standard requires that the 
end-product application enclosure plastic must be rated V-1 or better.  
I don't have that standard.  Can anybody here shed some light on this 
issue?




Thanks much,



Carl


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[PSES] UL 62133-2 Battery Standard + V-1 plastic enclosure

[emcl...@gmail.com]

Hello All,

This is the first time that I've had a large NRTL safety engineer inform 
me that the UL 62133-2 battery pack standard requires that the 
end-product application enclosure plastic must be rated V-1 or better.  
I don't have that standard.  Can anybody here shed some light on this 
issue?


Thanks much,

Carl

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Re: [PSES] Non-NRTL Field Inspection Service Provider in the Michigan / Midwest Region

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Thanks for your help Richard.  I have an excellent contact at MET and 
I've referred her to this friend.  This is good info.


It's been many years (decades) since I've dealt with the differences in 
provincial code requirements, but I'm aware of the fact that's a pitfall 
to watch out for.


Carl


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From "Richard Nute" 

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Date 2/22/2023 6:33:12 PM
Subject Re: [PSES] Non-NRTL Field Inspection Service Provider in the 
Michigan / Midwest Region





Hi Carl:



I’m not able to identify candidate FEBs as you requested.  Most NRTLs, 
small to large, also are FEBs.  I only found one accredited FEB who 
wasn’t an NRTL, SGS in Switzerland (a very big company).




Here is a good and complete (straight-forward) explanation of the field 
inspection service in the USA and Canada:




https://metlabs.com/services/on-site-field-testing-and-evaluation/field-inspection-frequently-asked-questions/



Here is one of the field evaluation body, FEB, accreditation schemes:



https://www.iasonline.org/services/field-evaluation-bodies/



The FEB must be acceptable to the AHJ in the region where the equipment 
is to be installed.




Rich





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Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2023 2:16 PM
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Subject: [PSES] Non-NRTL Field Inspection Service Provider in the 
Michigan / Midwest Region




A friend asked me if I could refer him to a field inspection service 
provider for computer/ITE products intended for use within factory 
environments.  I'm aware that the major NRTLs offer this service apart 
from their NRTL accreditation, so I'm asking for other referrals for 
smaller service providers.




The scope is for USA and Canadian installations and this company would 
like that source to provide engineering review of the product in 
question in advance of the inspection, as well as the inspection itself 
and tag as needed.




Thanks in advance,



Carl


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[PSES] Non-NRTL Field Inspection Service Provider in the Michigan / Midwest Region

[emcl...@gmail.com]

A friend asked me if I could refer him to a field inspection service 
provider for computer/ITE products intended for use within factory 
environments.  I'm aware that the major NRTLs offer this service apart 
from their NRTL accreditation, so I'm asking for other referrals for 
smaller service providers.


The scope is for USA and Canadian installations and this company would 
like that source to provide engineering review of the product in 
question in advance of the inspection, as well as the inspection itself 
and tag as needed.


Thanks in advance,

Carl

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Re: [PSES] Appropriate reference for EN standard within CB Report

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Thanks Charlie.  That makes sense.

Carl


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From "Charlie Blackham" 
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Date 2/6/2023 1:26:51 PM
Subject RE: [PSES] Appropriate reference for EN standard within CB 
Report



Carl



The OJ summary lists amendments separately, as published, it does not 
list “standard plus amendment(s)” as you typically write on a DoC




The relevant legislation for this change EN 61010-1 is Commission 
Implementing Decision (EU) 2020/1779 
<https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=uriserv%3AOJ.L_.2020.399.01.0006.01.ENG=OJ%3AL%3A2020%3A399%3ATOC> 
of 27 November 2020




EN 61010-1:2010 ceased to provide a presumption of conformity on 30th 
May 2022




In order to maintain presumption of conformity, A1:2019 must also be 
applied (along with AC:2019, but that doesn’t need to be listed on the 
DoC)




Best regards

Charlie



Charlie Blackham

Sulis Consultants Ltd

Tel: +44 (0)7946 624317

Web: https://sulisconsultants.com/

Registered in England and Wales, number 05466247



From:emcl...@gmail.com 
Sent: 06 February 2023 14:18
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Subject: [PSES] Appropriate reference for EN standard within CB Report



Hello All,



I've included a snip here and I don't recall whether the list server 
will allow that so I'll also include the text.




I checked on the revision status of EN 61010-1 within the OJ and I'm 
confused because the current reference includes the withdrawn revision. 
 EN 61010-1:2010 was withdrawn as of 30/11/2020 but it's also included 
within the current reference as follows:




EN 61010-1:2010,

EN 61010-

1:2010/A1:2019/AC:2019-04,

EN 61010-1:2010/A1:2019






Is this due to the long-standing CENELEC confusion?

Does this mean that all of these references belong on a manufacturers 
DoC?  Or any one of them?  (e.g. EN 61010-1:2010/A1:2019/AC:2019-04)  
Does this mean that the original EN 61010-1:2010 is still allowed 
without the addition of A1:2019?




I'm reviewing a draft CB report and I want to get the "EN" reference 
within the report to line-up with this requirement if possible.




Thanks,



Carl

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[PSES] Appropriate reference for EN standard within CB Report

[emcl...@gmail.com]

Hello All,

I've included a snip here and I don't recall whether the list server 
will allow that so I'll also include the text.


I checked on the revision status of EN 61010-1 within the OJ and I'm 
confused because the current reference includes the withdrawn revision.  
EN 61010-1:2010 was withdrawn as of 30/11/2020 but it's also included 
within the current reference as follows:


EN 61010-1:2010,
EN 61010-
1:2010/A1:2019/AC:2019-04,
EN 61010-1:2010/A1:2019


Is this due to the long-standing CENELEC confusion?
Does this mean that all of these references belong on a manufacturers 
DoC?  Or any one of them?  (e.g. EN 61010-1:2010/A1:2019/AC:2019-04)  
Does this mean that the original EN 61010-1:2010 is still allowed 
without the addition of A1:2019?


I'm reviewing a draft CB report and I want to get the "EN" reference 
within the report to line-up with this requirement if possible.


Thanks,

Carl

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