Re: [PSES] [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] USB Type C requirements for the EU
Hi, I believe the legislation says that the “without any cables” provision will go into effect only after 2 events are completed: * 28 December 2026: EU Commission must submit a report to the EU Parliament and the EU Council assessing the impacts if charging cables were required to be unbundled from products. (I imagine the Commission could submit this report earlier than this date. Any opinions?) * The Commission must also propose mandatory unbundling of charging cables if their assessment indicates a benefit for the environment and for consumer convenience. I think I found this wording inconspicuously placed in the October publication of the legislation. If these provisions were removed in Directive (EU) 2022/2380<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https*3A*2F*2Feur-lex.europa.eu*2Feli*2Fdir*2F2022*2F2380=05*7C01*7Cted.eckert*40microsoft.com*7C520c1294eea2460f05a008db0dd2e3d9*7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47*7C1*7C0*7C638118972405759520*7CUnknown*7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0*3D*7C3000*7C*7C*7C=Eyw6WKa9CH4L687s3NvMWRTXyTw59JMjb9dF6MaNE*2Fk*3D=0__;JSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUl!!EJc4YC3iFmQ!UNGbWqqmSmX9zyvUqDlxh94rZsFG4eZivJiBjwrbUuQ3ut20IDXRlhqOeXKxmu-qUVq1zMAyK2uYmXyxb9-ZmQE$> please let the group know, and I will abandon what I’ve said in this email. Regards, Doug From: cgitt...@rochester.rr.com Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2023 8:13 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] USB Type C requirements for the EU CAUTION - EXTERNAL EMAIL: Do not click any links or open any attachments unless you trust the sender and know the content is safe. Hi Ted, Thanks for your response. Best Regards. Cecil - From: "Ted Eckert" <07cf6ebeab9d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org<mailto:07cf6ebeab9d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org>> To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Cc: Sent: Monday February 13 2023 12:09:17PM Subject: Re: [PSES] [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] USB Type C requirements for the EU Hi Cecil, The regulation states “the possibility to acquire radio equipment without any charging device and without cables”. It isn’t an issue of what would technically work. It’s what the European Parliament wants. The device must have a USB connector, and the customer must have the option of purchasing the device without a power supply or cable. Best regards, Ted Eckert Microsoft The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer. From: cgitt...@rochester.rr.com<mailto:cgitt...@rochester.rr.com> mailto:cgitt...@rochester.rr.com>> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2023 6:59 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: Re: [PSES] [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] USB Type C requirements for the EU Hi Ted, Thank you very much for your response. Ear buds come with a charge case that is USB C. Is that OK? And if so, why can’t a USB C cable to magnet pins work? As long as a standard USB C charger works, isn’t that the intent? Best Regards. Cecil - From: "Ted Eckert" <07cf6ebeab9d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org<mailto:07cf6ebeab9d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org>> To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Cc: Sent: Monday February 13 2023 8:57:19AM Subject: Re: [PSES] [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] USB Type C requirements for the EU Hi Cecil, The device must have a USB connector for charging. You must provide the customer the option of buying the product without either an external power supply or charging cable. The intent of the regulation is that consumers should be able to buy new devices that can be charged with their existing USB power supplies and cables. Best regards, Ted Eckert Microsoft The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer. From: cgitt...@rochester.rr.com<mailto:cgitt...@rochester.rr.com> mailto:cgitt...@rochester.rr.com>> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2023 5:50 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] USB Type C requirements for the EU You don't often get email from cgitt...@rochester.rr.com<mailto:cgitt...@rochester.rr.com>. Learn why this is important<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/aka.ms/LearnAboutSenderIdentification__;!!EJc4YC3iFmQ!UNGbWqqmSmX9zyvUqDlxh94rZsFG4eZivJiBjwrbUuQ3ut20IDXRlhqOeXKxmu-qUVq1zMAyK2uYmXyxdT5Q4lA$> Hi Charlie, Thank you very much for your response. Does this mean a USB Type C connector has to be on the device or can a cable that has USB C with let’s say a magnetic connector on the device end be used? Thanks! Best Regards Cecil - From: "Charlie Blackham&quo
Re: [PSES] [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] USB Type C requirements for the EU
Hi Ted, Thanks for your response. Best Regards. Cecil -From: "Ted Eckert" To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Cc: Sent: Monday February 13 2023 12:09:17PM Subject: Re: [PSES] [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] USB Type C requirements for the EU Hi Cecil, The regulation states “the possibility to acquire radio equipment without any charging device and without cables”. It isn’t an issue of what would technically work. It’s what the European Parliament wants. The device must have a USB connector, and the customer must have the option of purchasing the device without a power supply or cable. Best regards, Ted Eckert Microsoft The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer. FROM: cgitt...@rochester.rr.com SENT: Monday, February 13, 2023 6:59 AM TO: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG SUBJECT: Re: [PSES] [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] USB Type C requirements for the EU Hi Ted, Thank you very much for your response. Ear buds come with a charge case that is USB C. Is that OK? And if so, why can’t a USB C cable to magnet pins work? As long as a standard USB C charger works, isn’t that the intent? Best Regards. Cecil - From: "Ted Eckert" To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Cc: Sent: Monday February 13 2023 8:57:19AM Subject: Re: [PSES] [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] USB Type C requirements for the EU Hi Cecil, The device must have a USB connector for charging. You must provide the customer the option of buying the product without either an external power supply or charging cable. The intent of the regulation is that consumers should be able to buy new devices that can be charged with their existing USB power supplies and cables. Best regards, Ted Eckert Microsoft The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer. FROM: cgitt...@rochester.rr.com SENT: Monday, February 13, 2023 5:50 AM TO: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG SUBJECT: [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] USB Type C requirements for the EU You don't often get email from cgitt...@rochester.rr.com. Learn why this is important [1] Hi Charlie, Thank you very much for your response. Does this mean a USB Type C connector has to be on the device or can a cable that has USB C with let’s say a magnetic connector on the device end be used? Thanks! Best Regards Cecil - From: "Charlie Blackham" To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Cc: Sent: Monday February 13 2023 3:41:54AM Subject: Re: [PSES] USB Type C requirements for the EU Cecil Directive (EU) 2022/2380 [2] amending the RED with the "common charger" published on 7th December 2022 Applies to all products in scope placed on the market after 28 December 2024 except for laptops, where the date is 28 April 2026 EU Directive and Regulations apply to each and every individual product, so there is no grandfathering for existing designs. Best regards Charlie CHARLIE BLACKHAM SULIS CONSULTANTS LTD TEL: +44 (0)7946 624317 WEB: [3]HTTPS://SULISCONSULTANTS.COM/ [4] Registered in England and Wales, number 05466247 FROM: cgitt...@rochester.rr.com SENT: 13 February 2023 01:13 TO: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG SUBJECT: [PSES] USB Type C requirements for the EU What is the implementation date for USB Type C that products need to comply with the Directive? Is there any exemption or grandfathering for current products that are used already in the market? I appreciate any input. Thank you. Cecil Gittens - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: [5]http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html [6] Website: [7]http://www.ieee-pses.org/ [8] Instructions: [9]http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html [10] (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: [11]http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html [12] For help, send mail to the list administrators: Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher David Heald - To unsubscribe from the EMC-PSTC list, click the following link: [13]https://listserv.i
Re: [PSES] [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] USB Type C requirements for the EU
Hi Cecil, The regulation states "the possibility to acquire radio equipment without any charging device and without cables". It isn't an issue of what would technically work. It's what the European Parliament wants. The device must have a USB connector, and the customer must have the option of purchasing the device without a power supply or cable. Best regards, Ted Eckert Microsoft The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer. From: cgitt...@rochester.rr.com Sent: Monday, February 13, 2023 6:59 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] USB Type C requirements for the EU Hi Ted, Thank you very much for your response. Ear buds come with a charge case that is USB C. Is that OK? And if so, why can't a USB C cable to magnet pins work? As long as a standard USB C charger works, isn't that the intent? Best Regards. Cecil - From: "Ted Eckert" <07cf6ebeab9d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org<mailto:07cf6ebeab9d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org>> To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Cc: Sent: Monday February 13 2023 8:57:19AM Subject: Re: [PSES] [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] USB Type C requirements for the EU Hi Cecil, The device must have a USB connector for charging. You must provide the customer the option of buying the product without either an external power supply or charging cable. The intent of the regulation is that consumers should be able to buy new devices that can be charged with their existing USB power supplies and cables. Best regards, Ted Eckert Microsoft The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer. From: cgitt...@rochester.rr.com<mailto:cgitt...@rochester.rr.com> mailto:cgitt...@rochester.rr.com>> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2023 5:50 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] USB Type C requirements for the EU You don't often get email from cgitt...@rochester.rr.com<mailto:cgitt...@rochester.rr.com>. Learn why this is important<https://aka.ms/LearnAboutSenderIdentification> Hi Charlie, Thank you very much for your response. Does this mean a USB Type C connector has to be on the device or can a cable that has USB C with let's say a magnetic connector on the device end be used? Thanks! Best Regards Cecil - From: "Charlie Blackham" To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Cc: Sent: Monday February 13 2023 3:41:54AM Subject: Re: [PSES] USB Type C requirements for the EU Cecil Directive (EU) 2022/2380<https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Feur-lex.europa.eu%2Feli%2Fdir%2F2022%2F2380=05%7C01%7Cted.eckert%40microsoft.com%7C520c1294eea2460f05a008db0dd2e3d9%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C638118972405759520%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=Eyw6WKa9CH4L687s3NvMWRTXyTw59JMjb9dF6MaNE%2Fk%3D=0> amending the RED with the "common charger" published on 7th December 2022 Applies to all products in scope placed on the market after 28 December 2024 except for laptops, where the date is 28 April 2026 EU Directive and Regulations apply to each and every individual product, so there is no grandfathering for existing designs. Best regards Charlie Charlie Blackham Sulis Consultants Ltd Tel: +44 (0)7946 624317 Web: https://sulisconsultants.com/<https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsulisconsultants.com%2F=05%7C01%7Cted.eckert%40microsoft.com%7C520c1294eea2460f05a008db0dd2e3d9%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C638118972405915750%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=aFstyadNNCndDQh3xnBolh6xSA838iechbz5bm3CD%2Fo%3D=0> Registered in England and Wales, number 05466247 From: cgitt...@rochester.rr.com<mailto:cgitt...@rochester.rr.com> mailto:cgitt...@rochester.rr.com>> Sent: 13 February 2023 01:13 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: [PSES] USB Type C requirements for the EU What is the implementation date for USB Type C that products need to comply with the Directive? Is there any exemption or grandfathering for current products that are used already in the market? I appreciate any input. Thank you. Cecil Gittens - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org>> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html<ht
Re: [PSES] [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] USB Type C requirements for the EU
Hi Ted, Thank you very much for your response. Ear buds come with a charge case that is USB C. Is that OK? And if so, why can’t a USB C cable to magnet pins work? As long as a standard USB C charger works, isn’t that the intent? Best Regards. Cecil -From: "Ted Eckert" To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Cc: Sent: Monday February 13 2023 8:57:19AM Subject: Re: [PSES] [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] USB Type C requirements for the EU Hi Cecil, The device must have a USB connector for charging. You must provide the customer the option of buying the product without either an external power supply or charging cable. The intent of the regulation is that consumers should be able to buy new devices that can be charged with their existing USB power supplies and cables. Best regards, Ted Eckert Microsoft The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer. FROM: cgitt...@rochester.rr.com SENT: Monday, February 13, 2023 5:50 AM TO: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG SUBJECT: [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] USB Type C requirements for the EU You don't often get email from cgitt...@rochester.rr.com. Learn why this is important [1] Hi Charlie, Thank you very much for your response. Does this mean a USB Type C connector has to be on the device or can a cable that has USB C with let’s say a magnetic connector on the device end be used? Thanks! Best Regards Cecil - From: "Charlie Blackham" To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Cc: Sent: Monday February 13 2023 3:41:54AM Subject: Re: [PSES] USB Type C requirements for the EU Cecil Directive (EU) 2022/2380 [2] amending the RED with the "common charger" published on 7th December 2022 Applies to all products in scope placed on the market after 28 December 2024 except for laptops, where the date is 28 April 2026 EU Directive and Regulations apply to each and every individual product, so there is no grandfathering for existing designs. Best regards Charlie CHARLIE BLACKHAM SULIS CONSULTANTS LTD TEL: +44 (0)7946 624317 WEB: [3]HTTPS://SULISCONSULTANTS.COM/ [4] Registered in England and Wales, number 05466247 FROM: cgitt...@rochester.rr.com SENT: 13 February 2023 01:13 TO: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG SUBJECT: [PSES] USB Type C requirements for the EU What is the implementation date for USB Type C that products need to comply with the Directive? Is there any exemption or grandfathering for current products that are used already in the market? I appreciate any input. Thank you. Cecil Gittens - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: [5]http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html [6] Website: [7]http://www.ieee-pses.org/ [8] Instructions: [9]http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html [10] (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: [11]http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html [12] For help, send mail to the list administrators: Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher David Heald - To unsubscribe from the EMC-PSTC list, click the following link: [13]https://listserv.ieee.org/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=EMC-PSTC=1 [14] - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: [15]http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html [16] Website: [17]http://www.ieee-pses.org/ [18] Instructions: [19]http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html [20] (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: [21]http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html [22] For help, send mail to the list administrators: Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - To unsubscribe from the EMC-PSTC list, click the following link: [23]https://listserv.ieee.org/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=EMC-PSTC=1 [24] - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message
Re: [PSES] [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] USB Type C requirements for the EU
Hi Cecil, The device must have a USB connector for charging. You must provide the customer the option of buying the product without either an external power supply or charging cable. The intent of the regulation is that consumers should be able to buy new devices that can be charged with their existing USB power supplies and cables. Best regards, Ted Eckert Microsoft The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer. From: cgitt...@rochester.rr.com Sent: Monday, February 13, 2023 5:50 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] USB Type C requirements for the EU You don't often get email from cgitt...@rochester.rr.com<mailto:cgitt...@rochester.rr.com>. Learn why this is important<https://aka.ms/LearnAboutSenderIdentification> Hi Charlie, Thank you very much for your response. Does this mean a USB Type C connector has to be on the device or can a cable that has USB C with let's say a magnetic connector on the device end be used? Thanks! Best Regards Cecil - From: "Charlie Blackham" To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Cc: Sent: Monday February 13 2023 3:41:54AM Subject: Re: [PSES] USB Type C requirements for the EU Cecil Directive (EU) 2022/2380<https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Feur-lex.europa.eu%2Feli%2Fdir%2F2022%2F2380=05%7C01%7Cted.eckert%40microsoft.com%7C25ff9a3c67524bfc464008db0dc93660%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C638118930089515210%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=SKYIZyCps2zZ0GdLyE8VVeKbe4Kc%2B2P18DToU1L%2FRuE%3D=0> amending the RED with the "common charger" published on 7th December 2022 Applies to all products in scope placed on the market after 28 December 2024 except for laptops, where the date is 28 April 2026 EU Directive and Regulations apply to each and every individual product, so there is no grandfathering for existing designs. Best regards Charlie Charlie Blackham Sulis Consultants Ltd Tel: +44 (0)7946 624317 Web: https://sulisconsultants.com/<https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsulisconsultants.com%2F=05%7C01%7Cted.eckert%40microsoft.com%7C25ff9a3c67524bfc464008db0dc93660%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C638118930089515210%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=ikfvSk54%2Fyjuh4dEcN47u2Utc3nrN3TuNDsuVpGbupM%3D=0> Registered in England and Wales, number 05466247 From: cgitt...@rochester.rr.com<mailto:cgitt...@rochester.rr.com> mailto:cgitt...@rochester.rr.com>> Sent: 13 February 2023 01:13 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: [PSES] USB Type C requirements for the EU What is the implementation date for USB Type C that products need to comply with the Directive? Is there any exemption or grandfathering for current products that are used already in the market? I appreciate any input. Thank you. Cecil Gittens - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org>> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html<https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ieee-pses.org%2Femc-pstc.html=05%7C01%7Cted.eckert%40microsoft.com%7C25ff9a3c67524bfc464008db0dc93660%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C638118930089515210%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=dHiOWoJCGqVLAfSbRt9q18SA%2BCNwayMCLYPN7puabp8%3D=0> Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/<https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ieee-pses.org%2F=05%7C01%7Cted.eckert%40microsoft.com%7C25ff9a3c67524bfc464008db0dc93660%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C638118930089515210%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=TvyUDzpIF6nayhFnLrmIXQiX478%2BcA7p9VewrtSgieQ%3D=0> Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html<https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ieee-pses.org%2Flist.html=05%7C01%7Cted.eckert%40microsoft.com%7C25ff9a3c67524bfc464008db0dc93660%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C638118930089515210%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=mLGOJoKNm6UVzZjJQLt2f2SgY1zq5lXQWqS4rzvOd5Q%3D=0> (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html<https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ieee-pses.org%2Flistrules.html=05%7C01%7Cted.e
