Re: [PSES] [External] Re: [PSES] Interference Caused by Microwave Oven

2015-05-15 Thread Wiseman, Joshua E BIS
IEC/EN 60335-2-25 and IEC/EN 60335-2-90 have limits on the radiation emitted 
from the microwave with the door open.  This includes testing with the seal 
broken and the door closed, when possible.  The limits are pretty strict so I 
would be a little surprised by this.  I haven’t read the article, nor do I know 
the history of the standard so there maybe something there too.

Josh

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From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] 
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Subject: [External] Re: [PSES] Interference Caused by Microwave Oven

In message 1f28.6030...@gmail.com, dated Thu, 14 May 2015, Doug Powell 
doug...@gmail.com writes:

My question is this.  If the RF generated inside the oven does not stop 
prior to the opening of the RF seal on the door, which testing is 
responsible to identify this problem, EMC or the Safety testing

Not 'either/or': emission with the door open violates CISPR 11/EN 55011, it's 
also a violation of the Section of IEC/EN 60335-2 (too late here to look it up) 
and potentially a violation of the regulatory EMF exposure limits as measured 
according to IEC 62233.
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Re: [PSES] [External] Re: [PSES] Interference Caused by Microwave Oven

2015-05-15 Thread Cortland Richmond
It's possible the noise quite soon after the door is opened is still below the 
limit for unintentional or incidental emitters. That's enough to interfere with 
radiotelescopes.

Cortland Richmond

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Sent: May 15, 2015 8:55 AM
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Subject: Re: [PSES] [External] Re: [PSES] Interference Caused by Microwave Oven

IEC/EN 60335-2-25 and IEC/EN 60335-2-90 have limits on the radiation emitted 
from the microwave with the door open.  This includes testing with the seal 
broken and the door closed, when possible.  The limits are pretty strict so I 
would be a little surprised by this.  I haven’t read the article, nor do I 
know the history of the standard so there maybe something there too.

Josh

-Original Message-
From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] 
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 5:42 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [External] Re: [PSES] Interference Caused by Microwave Oven

In message 1f28.6030...@gmail.com, dated Thu, 14 May 2015, Doug Powell 
doug...@gmail.com writes:

My question is this.  If the RF generated inside the oven does not stop 
prior to the opening of the RF seal on the door, which testing is 
responsible to identify this problem, EMC or the Safety testing

Not 'either/or': emission with the door open violates CISPR 11/EN 55011, it's 
also a violation of the Section of IEC/EN 60335-2 (too late here to look it 
up) and potentially a violation of the regulatory EMF exposure limits as 
measured according to IEC 62233.
--
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turn my back on the sun, it's to look for a rainbow John Woodgate, J M 
Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK

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