Re: [PSES] Additional AC power cords in the same shipment

2021-10-06 Thread Ted Eckert 
Hello Gary,

My previous employer had a number of products that had low-volume production, 
and where it was cheaper to include multiple cords rather than to create 
multiple regional SKUs. There were generally no issues with including multiple 
cords as long as each cord was clearly marked with the country/region it was 
intended for. This could be done with a tag on the cord or by placing the cord 
in a clearly marked bag. The instructions provided with the product also 
provided detailed information on which cord was to be used for each region.

This method generally gets expensive as your countries of sale increase. As 
others have noted, there are a lot of different plug configurations, many of 
which may appear physically compatible, but are not considered compatible by 
local regulatory authorities.

Best regards,
Ted Eckert
The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my 
employer.

From: Greg McClure 
Sent: Wednesday, October 6, 2021 5:37 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] Additional AC power cords in the same shipment

In our experience:

Argentina, Australia and China (PRC) cords are mutually exclusive and cannot be 
bundled together.

Brazil no longer accepts any cord that looks like a US NEMA 5-15 plug.

India and South Africa cords are mutually exclusive unless you can get one that 
carries certifications for both countries.

Japan, Taiwan and the US are mutually exclusive due to different certification 
requirements for the plugs and cordage.

There may be ways around some of these but they tend to drive up the cost of 
the cordset.


Gregory H. McClure
Lexmark Product Safety
Product Safety Team Lead
859-232-3240 office

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Subject: [PSES] Additional AC power cords in the same shipment

Hi All,
I would like to get your experience and opinions on including 'extra' ac power 
cord in shipments of IT equipment.  To minimize the number of SKU's that need 
to be maintained in the supply chain it can be useful to include AC power cords 
suitable and certified for multiple different countries in the same box.  The 
intent is that the customer uses the cord appropriate to his country and 
disposes of the rest.  Customs of some countries may object, but others are OK 
with this practice.

Do you know of countries where this is OK?  And others where is isn't?

Cheers,

Gary Tornquist
Sr. Consultant

Your Outsourced Compliance Department

[DD1479DB]
1618 236th Ave NE
Sammamish, WA 98074
(425) 279-3996
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Re: [PSES] Additional AC power cords in the same shipment

2021-10-06 Thread Greg McClure 
In our experience:

Argentina, Australia and China (PRC) cords are mutually exclusive and cannot be 
bundled together.

Brazil no longer accepts any cord that looks like a US NEMA 5-15 plug.

India and South Africa cords are mutually exclusive unless you can get one that 
carries certifications for both countries.

Japan, Taiwan and the US are mutually exclusive due to different certification 
requirements for the plugs and cordage.

There may be ways around some of these but they tend to drive up the cost of 
the cordset.


Gregory H. McClure
Lexmark Product Safety
Product Safety Team Lead
859-232-3240 office

From: Gary Tornquist <05big...@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 6, 2021 1:38 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] Additional AC power cords in the same shipment

Hi All,
I would like to get your experience and opinions on including 'extra' ac power 
cord in shipments of IT equipment.  To minimize the number of SKU's that need 
to be maintained in the supply chain it can be useful to include AC power cords 
suitable and certified for multiple different countries in the same box.  The 
intent is that the customer uses the cord appropriate to his country and 
disposes of the rest.  Customs of some countries may object, but others are OK 
with this practice.

Do you know of countries where this is OK?  And others where is isn't?

Cheers,

Gary Tornquist
Sr. Consultant

Your Outsourced Compliance Department

[DD1479DB]
1618 236th Ave NE
Sammamish, WA 98074
(425) 279-3996
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Re: [PSES] Additional AC power cords in the same shipment

2021-10-06 Thread Dan Roman 
Hi Gary,

 

I believe it is NOT acceptable in Brazil to ship any power cord other than the 
Brazilian cord.  In the EU would it run afoul of the Packaging Directive?  I 
would say yes, in spirit at least.

 

Regards,

 

Dan

 

 

From: Gary Tornquist [mailto:05big...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2021 1:38 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] Additional AC power cords in the same shipment

 

Hi All,

I would like to get your experience and opinions on including ‘extra’ ac power 
cord in shipments of IT equipment.  To minimize the number of SKU’s that need 
to be maintained in the supply chain it can be useful to include AC power cords 
suitable and certified for multiple different countries in the same box.  The 
intent is that the customer uses the cord appropriate to his country and 
disposes of the rest.  Customs of some countries may object, but others are OK 
with this practice. 

 

Do you know of countries where this is OK?  And others where is isn’t?

 

Cheers,

 

Gary Tornquist

Sr. Consultant

 

Your Outsourced Compliance Department

 



1618 236th Ave NE

Sammamish, WA 98074
(425) 279-3996

 <http://www.productsafetyinc.com/> http://www.productsafetyinc.com

 

 

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[PSES] Additional AC power cords in the same shipment

2021-10-05 Thread Gary Tornquist 
Hi All,

I would like to get your experience and opinions on including ‘extra’ ac power 
cord in shipments of IT equipment.  To minimize the number of SKU’s that need 
to be maintained in the supply chain it can be useful to include AC power cords 
suitable and certified for multiple different countries in the same box.  The 
intent is that the customer uses the cord appropriate to his country and 
disposes of the rest.  Customs of some countries may object, but others are OK 
with this practice. 

 

Do you know of countries where this is OK?  And others where is isn’t?

 

Cheers,

 

Gary Tornquist

Sr. Consultant

 

Your Outsourced Compliance Department

 



1618 236th Ave NE

Sammamish, WA 98074
(425) 279-3996

  http://www.productsafetyinc.com

 

 


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