Re: [PSES] CE Marking HDMI Cables

[Monrad Monsen]

Hi Scott,

I agree with Ted. The Low Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU states that the 
“Directive shall apply to electrical equipment designed for use with a voltage 
rating of between 50 and 1000 V for alternating current and between 75 and 1500 
V for direct current” {Article 1}, so the HDMI cables are outside of the 
directive’s scope alone and only must meet the safety requirements as an 
authorized component of in-scope electrical equipment.

 

In contrast, HDMI cables are in-scope for the RoHS Directive 2011/65/EU.  Read 
the RoHS Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) in section 5 with the responses to 
questions 5.1 to 5.3.  

http://ec.europa.eu/environment/waste/rohs_eee/pdf/faq.pdf 

 

Hope this helps. 

 

Monrad Monsen

 

NOTE: All opinions expressed in this email are wholly my own and are not 
necessarily those of any company I work for.

 

From: Ted Eckert [mailto:07cf6ebeab9d-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org] 
Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2018 3:40 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@listserv.ieee.org
Subject: Re: [PSES] CE Marking HDMI Cables

 

Hello Scott,

 

I believe that line voltage wires and cables used for electrical distribution 
within buildings fall under the Low Voltage Directive. The Construction 
Products Directive covers many of the products that form the physical structure 
of buildings. It does not cover mechanical and electrical systems. Many 
electrical products will still fall under the Low Voltage Directive. However, 
the voltage of an HDMI cable is below the lower limit of the Low Voltage 
Directive, so it would not be covered.

 

Here is the specification sheet for a Belden Cat5 Ethernet cable for use inside 
of walls. (I am not necessarily recommending Belden. I just expected them to be 
more diligent about listing compliance standards than other vendors.)

HYPERLINK 
"https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__edesk.belden.com_products_techdata_english_pdf_7960A.pdf=DwMGaQ=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE=bdhQMzFxnmYEOUrCJpiaOszYW-e590kX_eWuZIISyNU=96WfaC1wxJzxaLa3I4zk9Fty6qb7WiZ8RhtjPC4e5qg=zSwxaS72qhP3a8NJvexmcEtP6w2D8TLCNqAuwd99WJw="https://edesk.belden.com/products/techdata/english/pdf/7960A.pdf

It has North American safety certifications, but nothing for Europe. Belden 
covers RoHS, WEEE, ELV, and BFR Directives, all environmentally related. Maybe 
I’m missing something, but I don’t see a declaration of any European safety 
requirements.

 

Ted Eckert

Microsoft Corporation

 

The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my 
employer.

 

From: Scott Douglas [mailto:sdouglas...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, January 7, 2018 12:31 PM
To: Ted Eckert mailto:ted.eck...@microsoft.com"ted.eck...@microsoft.com>; HYPERLINK 
"mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG"EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] CE Marking HDMI Cables

 

Ted,

I sent the the RoHS FAQ and they agree the cables need to be RoHS. They resist 
CE Marking because the cables have UL approvals for use inside walls (read 
flammability). They claim there are "matching" safety requirements in the EU 
and these were not tested for. So they cannot apply the CE Mark. I contend that 
those "matching" EU safety requirements are not CE Marking requirements so do 
not apply.

Is anyone aware of any CE Marking requirements for cables used inside walls? 
Possibly under Construction Products or General Safety?

Thanks again for all comments.

Scott

On 1/4/2018 6:55 PM, Ted Eckert wrote:

Hello Scott,

 

There are U.S. and Canadian national differences to many safety standards that 
mandates flame resistance for cables such as this. Cables under 3.05 meter in 
length must be VW-1 or FT-1 or better in flame rating. (Longer cables are 
subject to stricter requirements.) This is why you can find UL approvals on 
cables, but not necessarily other international safety certifications for HDMI, 
USB and other data cables. The LVD would not apply to an HDMI cable sold on its 
own as it is below the lower voltage limit of the scope.

 

Generally, if the cable is bundled with a product, the cable does not need the 
CE marking. If the cable is sold on its own, the CE mark is required for RoHS. 
See pages 15 and 16 in the European Commission guidance document.

HYPERLINK 
"https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttp-253A-252F-252Fec.europa.eu-252Fenvironment-252Fwaste-252Frohs-5Feee-252Fpdf-252Ffaq.pdf-26data-3D02-257C01-257CTed.Eckert-2540microsoft.com-257C4d79f6d2f44a4851e41908d5560d925c-257C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47-257C1-257C1-257C636509538657872815-26sdata-3DosG1mS0ZUgv1ZiezjcV3D3hdLLoCk-252FSamQsdvaykYEo-253D-26reserved-3D0=DwMGaQ=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE=bdhQMzFxnmYEOUrCJpiaOszYW-e590kX_eWuZIISyNU=96WfaC1wxJzxaLa3I4zk9Fty6qb7WiZ8RhtjPC4e5qg=upBf7dPfWE9zIA-pVwZMhoopsR2yxhVfCOsObEzTmxw="http://ec.europa.eu/environment/waste/rohs_eee/pdf/faq.pdf

 

Ted Ecker

Re: [PSES] CE Marking HDMI Cables

[Charlie Blackham]

Scott

By affixing the CE mark the manufacturer is declaring compliance against all 
applicable directives – if a particular directive isn’t applicable then it 
doesn’t matter.

Whilst lots of people like seeing UL marks on things, it has no meaning within 
EU legislation, anymore that CE marking does in US legislation

They should remember that there are over 20 “CE marking Directives” and they’re 
not declaring compliance against all the other ones either because the product 
is not in scope

Regards
Charlie

Charlie Blackham
Sulis Consultants Ltd
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From: Scott Douglas [mailto:sdouglas...@gmail.com]
Sent: 07 January 2018 20:31
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] CE Marking HDMI Cables

Ted,

I sent the the RoHS FAQ and they agree the cables need to be RoHS. They resist 
CE Marking because the cables have UL approvals for use inside walls (read 
flammability). They claim there are "matching" safety requirements in the EU 
and these were not tested for. So they cannot apply the CE Mark. I contend that 
those "matching" EU safety requirements are not CE Marking requirements so do 
not apply.

Is anyone aware of any CE Marking requirements for cables used inside walls? 
Possibly under Construction Products or General Safety?

Thanks again for all comments.

Scott

On 1/4/2018 6:55 PM, Ted Eckert wrote:
Hello Scott,

There are U.S. and Canadian national differences to many safety standards that 
mandates flame resistance for cables such as this. Cables under 3.05 meter in 
length must be VW-1 or FT-1 or better in flame rating. (Longer cables are 
subject to stricter requirements.) This is why you can find UL approvals on 
cables, but not necessarily other international safety certifications for HDMI, 
USB and other data cables. The LVD would not apply to an HDMI cable sold on its 
own as it is below the lower voltage limit of the scope.

Generally, if the cable is bundled with a product, the cable does not need the 
CE marking. If the cable is sold on its own, the CE mark is required for RoHS. 
See pages 15 and 16 in the European Commission guidance document.
http://ec.europa.eu/environment/waste/rohs_eee/pdf/faq.pdf

Ted Eckert
Microsoft Corporation

The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my 
employer.


From: Scott Douglas [mailto:sdouglas...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 4, 2018 6:42 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>
Subject: Re: [PSES] CE Marking HDMI Cables

My opinion is only the RoHS Directive should apply. But my last email from the 
ODM tonight says the cables have UL Approvals too, on the cable, on the 
connector and then flammability on the assembly. So they think that there must 
be some safety directive that applies (and was not tested for). They are 
checking with their factory (again).
On 1/4/2018 6:27 PM, Brent DeWitt wrote:
Hi Scott,

Which Directives do you think should apply?

From: Scott Douglas [mailto:sdouglas...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2018 7:00 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>
Subject: [PSES] CE Marking HDMI Cables


I am going around with an ODM making a HDMI cable for us. Standard cable just 
has our brand logo molded in the connector shell. Cable is to be used with 
Category 4 (ITE) Equipment and is sold separately.

The question is CE Marked or not CE Marked. I say it must be CE Marked and they 
say not required. I have been through the directives and FAQ more than a few 
times and it seems black and white to me.

They say they talked to three different compliance labs, at least one of which 
is familiar to a lot of us on the west coast, and all say not required. They 
say their compliance engineers all went to the required training and they all 
say not required.


Am I the only one that thinks these HDMI cables need to be CE Marked? Or am I 
missing something? Like maybe not required today but required to be marked at 
some future date like 2019 maybe?

Last, assuming I am not on some good psychedelics and CE Marking is required on 
or for HDMI cables, can I get away with putting the CE Mark on the single unit 
package, like a label on the poly bag it is sealed in?

I thank everybody that helps answer the question and keeps me from consuming 
more of those pink pills.

Happy New Year to all.
Scott

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Re: [PSES] CE Marking HDMI Cables

[Ted Eckert]

Hello Scott,

I believe that line voltage wires and cables used for electrical distribution 
within buildings fall under the Low Voltage Directive. The Construction 
Products Directive covers many of the products that form the physical structure 
of buildings. It does not cover mechanical and electrical systems. Many 
electrical products will still fall under the Low Voltage Directive. However, 
the voltage of an HDMI cable is below the lower limit of the Low Voltage 
Directive, so it would not be covered.

Here is the specification sheet for a Belden Cat5 Ethernet cable for use inside 
of walls. (I am not necessarily recommending Belden. I just expected them to be 
more diligent about listing compliance standards than other vendors.)
https://edesk.belden.com/products/techdata/english/pdf/7960A.pdf
It has North American safety certifications, but nothing for Europe. Belden 
covers RoHS, WEEE, ELV, and BFR Directives, all environmentally related. Maybe 
I’m missing something, but I don’t see a declaration of any European safety 
requirements.

Ted Eckert
Microsoft Corporation

The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my 
employer.

From: Scott Douglas [mailto:sdouglas...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 7, 2018 12:31 PM
To: Ted Eckert <ted.eck...@microsoft.com>; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] CE Marking HDMI Cables

Ted,

I sent the the RoHS FAQ and they agree the cables need to be RoHS. They resist 
CE Marking because the cables have UL approvals for use inside walls (read 
flammability). They claim there are "matching" safety requirements in the EU 
and these were not tested for. So they cannot apply the CE Mark. I contend that 
those "matching" EU safety requirements are not CE Marking requirements so do 
not apply.

Is anyone aware of any CE Marking requirements for cables used inside walls? 
Possibly under Construction Products or General Safety?

Thanks again for all comments.

Scott

On 1/4/2018 6:55 PM, Ted Eckert wrote:
Hello Scott,

There are U.S. and Canadian national differences to many safety standards that 
mandates flame resistance for cables such as this. Cables under 3.05 meter in 
length must be VW-1 or FT-1 or better in flame rating. (Longer cables are 
subject to stricter requirements.) This is why you can find UL approvals on 
cables, but not necessarily other international safety certifications for HDMI, 
USB and other data cables. The LVD would not apply to an HDMI cable sold on its 
own as it is below the lower voltage limit of the scope.

Generally, if the cable is bundled with a product, the cable does not need the 
CE marking. If the cable is sold on its own, the CE mark is required for RoHS. 
See pages 15 and 16 in the European Commission guidance document.
http://ec.europa.eu/environment/waste/rohs_eee/pdf/faq.pdf<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fec.europa.eu%2Fenvironment%2Fwaste%2Frohs_eee%2Fpdf%2Ffaq.pdf=02%7C01%7CTed.Eckert%40microsoft.com%7C4d79f6d2f44a4851e41908d5560d925c%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C1%7C636509538657872815=osG1mS0ZUgv1ZiezjcV3D3hdLLoCk%2FSamQsdvaykYEo%3D=0>

Ted Eckert
Microsoft Corporation

The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my 
employer.


From: Scott Douglas [mailto:sdouglas...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 4, 2018 6:42 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>
Subject: Re: [PSES] CE Marking HDMI Cables

My opinion is only the RoHS Directive should apply. But my last email from the 
ODM tonight says the cables have UL Approvals too, on the cable, on the 
connector and then flammability on the assembly. So they think that there must 
be some safety directive that applies (and was not tested for). They are 
checking with their factory (again).
On 1/4/2018 6:27 PM, Brent DeWitt wrote:
Hi Scott,

Which Directives do you think should apply?

From: Scott Douglas [mailto:sdouglas...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2018 7:00 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>
Subject: [PSES] CE Marking HDMI Cables


I am going around with an ODM making a HDMI cable for us. Standard cable just 
has our brand logo molded in the connector shell. Cable is to be used with 
Category 4 (ITE) Equipment and is sold separately.

The question is CE Marked or not CE Marked. I say it must be CE Marked and they 
say not required. I have been through the directives and FAQ more than a few 
times and it seems black and white to me.

They say they talked to three different compliance labs, at least one of which 
is familiar to a lot of us on the west coast, and all say not required. They 
say their compliance engineers all went to the required training and they all 
say not required.


Am I the only one that thinks these HDMI cables need to be CE Marked? Or am I 
missing something? Like maybe not required today but required to be marked at 
some fu

Re: [PSES] CE Marking HDMI Cables

[Scott Douglas]

Ted,

I sent the the RoHS FAQ and they agree the cables need to be RoHS. They 
resist CE Marking because the cables have UL approvals for use inside 
walls (read flammability). They claim there are "matching" safety 
requirements in the EU and these were not tested for. So they cannot 
apply the CE Mark. I contend that those "matching" EU safety 
requirements are not CE Marking requirements so do not apply.


Is anyone aware of any CE Marking requirements for cables used inside 
walls? Possibly under Construction Products or General Safety?


Thanks again for all comments.

Scott


On 1/4/2018 6:55 PM, Ted Eckert wrote:


Hello Scott,

There are U.S. and Canadian national differences to many safety 
standards that mandates flame resistance for cables such as this. 
Cables under 3.05 meter in length must be VW-1 or FT-1 or better in 
flame rating. (Longer cables are subject to stricter requirements.) 
This is why you can find UL approvals on cables, but not necessarily 
other international safety certifications for HDMI, USB and other data 
cables. The LVD would not apply to an HDMI cable sold on its own as it 
is below the lower voltage limit of the scope.


Generally, if the cable is bundled with a product, the cable does not 
need the CE marking. If the cable is sold on its own, the CE mark is 
required for RoHS. See pages 15 and 16 in the European Commission 
guidance document.


http://ec.europa.eu/environment/waste/rohs_eee/pdf/faq.pdf

Ted Eckert

Microsoft Corporation

The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those 
of my employer.


*From:*Scott Douglas [mailto:sdouglas...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, January 4, 2018 6:42 PM
*To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
*Subject:* Re: [PSES] CE Marking HDMI Cables

My opinion is only the RoHS Directive should apply. But my last email 
from the ODM tonight says the cables have UL Approvals too, on the 
cable, on the connector and then flammability on the assembly. So they 
think that there must be some safety directive that applies (and was 
not tested for). They are checking with their factory (again).


On 1/4/2018 6:27 PM, Brent DeWitt wrote:

Hi Scott,

Which Directives do you think should apply?

*From:* Scott Douglas [mailto:sdouglas...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, January 04, 2018 7:00 PM
*To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>
*Subject:* [PSES] CE Marking HDMI Cables

I am going around with an ODM making a HDMI cable for us. Standard
cable just has our brand logo molded in the connector shell. Cable
is to be used with Category 4 (ITE) Equipment and is sold separately.

The question is CE Marked or not CE Marked. I say it must be CE
Marked and they say not required. I have been through the
directives and FAQ more than a few times and it seems black and
white to me.

They say they talked to three different compliance labs, at least
one of which is familiar to a lot of us on the west coast, and all
say not required. They say their compliance engineers all went to
the required training and they all say not required.

Am I the only one that thinks these HDMI cables need to be CE
Marked? Or am I missing something? Like maybe not required today
but required to be marked at some future date like 2019 maybe?

Last, assuming I am not on some good psychedelics and CE Marking
is required on or for HDMI cables, can I get away with putting the
CE Mark on the single unit package, like a label on the poly bag
it is sealed in?

I thank everybody that helps answer the question and keeps me from
consuming more of those pink pills.

Happy New Year to all.

Scott

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Re: [PSES] CE Marking HDMI Cables

[Scott Xe]

Scott,

LVD is not applicable to the cable due to low operating voltage but RoHS
requires to be marked CE as the compliance.

Regards,

Scott

On 5 January 2018 at 08:00, Scott Douglas  wrote:

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> I am going around with an ODM making a HDMI cable for us. Standard cable
> just has our brand logo molded in the connector shell. Cable is to be used
> with Category 4 (ITE) Equipment and is sold separately.
>
> The question is CE Marked or not CE Marked. I say it must be CE Marked and
> they say not required. I have been through the directives and FAQ more than
> a few times and it seems black and white to me.
>
> They say they talked to three different compliance labs, at least one of
> which is familiar to a lot of us on the west coast, and all say not
> required. They say their compliance engineers all went to the required
> training and they all say not required.
>
>
> Am I the only one that thinks these HDMI cables need to be CE Marked? Or
> am I missing something? Like maybe not required today but required to be
> marked at some future date like 2019 maybe?
>
> Last, assuming I am not on some good psychedelics and CE Marking is
> required on or for HDMI cables, can I get away with putting the CE Mark on
> the single unit package, like a label on the poly bag it is sealed in?
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Re: [PSES] CE Marking HDMI Cables

[Ted Eckert]

Hello Scott,

There are U.S. and Canadian national differences to many safety standards that 
mandates flame resistance for cables such as this. Cables under 3.05 meter in 
length must be VW-1 or FT-1 or better in flame rating. (Longer cables are 
subject to stricter requirements.) This is why you can find UL approvals on 
cables, but not necessarily other international safety certifications for HDMI, 
USB and other data cables. The LVD would not apply to an HDMI cable sold on its 
own as it is below the lower voltage limit of the scope.

Generally, if the cable is bundled with a product, the cable does not need the 
CE marking. If the cable is sold on its own, the CE mark is required for RoHS. 
See pages 15 and 16 in the European Commission guidance document.
http://ec.europa.eu/environment/waste/rohs_eee/pdf/faq.pdf

Ted Eckert
Microsoft Corporation

The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my 
employer.


From: Scott Douglas [mailto:sdouglas...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 4, 2018 6:42 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] CE Marking HDMI Cables

My opinion is only the RoHS Directive should apply. But my last email from the 
ODM tonight says the cables have UL Approvals too, on the cable, on the 
connector and then flammability on the assembly. So they think that there must 
be some safety directive that applies (and was not tested for). They are 
checking with their factory (again).
On 1/4/2018 6:27 PM, Brent DeWitt wrote:
Hi Scott,

Which Directives do you think should apply?

From: Scott Douglas [mailto:sdouglas...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2018 7:00 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>
Subject: [PSES] CE Marking HDMI Cables


I am going around with an ODM making a HDMI cable for us. Standard cable just 
has our brand logo molded in the connector shell. Cable is to be used with 
Category 4 (ITE) Equipment and is sold separately.

The question is CE Marked or not CE Marked. I say it must be CE Marked and they 
say not required. I have been through the directives and FAQ more than a few 
times and it seems black and white to me.

They say they talked to three different compliance labs, at least one of which 
is familiar to a lot of us on the west coast, and all say not required. They 
say their compliance engineers all went to the required training and they all 
say not required.


Am I the only one that thinks these HDMI cables need to be CE Marked? Or am I 
missing something? Like maybe not required today but required to be marked at 
some future date like 2019 maybe?

Last, assuming I am not on some good psychedelics and CE Marking is required on 
or for HDMI cables, can I get away with putting the CE Mark on the single unit 
package, like a label on the poly bag it is sealed in?

I thank everybody that helps answer the question and keeps me from consuming 
more of those pink pills.

Happy New Year to all.
Scott

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Re: [PSES] CE Marking HDMI Cables

[Scott Douglas]

My opinion is only the RoHS Directive should apply. But my last email 
from the ODM tonight says the cables have UL Approvals too, on the 
cable, on the connector and then flammability on the assembly. So they 
think that there must be some safety directive that applies (and was not 
tested for). They are checking with their factory (again).


On 1/4/2018 6:27 PM, Brent DeWitt wrote:


Hi Scott,

Which Directives do you think should apply?

*From:* Scott Douglas [mailto:sdouglas...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, January 04, 2018 7:00 PM
*To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
*Subject:* [PSES] CE Marking HDMI Cables

I am going around with an ODM making a HDMI cable for us. Standard 
cable just has our brand logo molded in the connector shell. Cable is 
to be used with Category 4 (ITE) Equipment and is sold separately.


The question is CE Marked or not CE Marked. I say it must be CE Marked 
and they say not required. I have been through the directives and FAQ 
more than a few times and it seems black and white to me.


They say they talked to three different compliance labs, at least one 
of which is familiar to a lot of us on the west coast, and all say not 
required. They say their compliance engineers all went to the required 
training and they all say not required.


Am I the only one that thinks these HDMI cables need to be CE Marked? 
Or am I missing something? Like maybe not required today but required 
to be marked at some future date like 2019 maybe?


Last, assuming I am not on some good psychedelics and CE Marking is 
required on or for HDMI cables, can I get away with putting the CE 
Mark on the single unit package, like a label on the poly bag it is 
sealed in?


I thank everybody that helps answer the question and keeps me from 
consuming more of those pink pills.


Happy New Year to all.

Scott

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Re: [PSES] CE Marking HDMI Cables

[Brent DeWitt]

Hi Scott,

 

Which Directives do you think should apply?

 

From: Scott Douglas [mailto:sdouglas...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2018 7:00 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] CE Marking HDMI Cables

 

 

I am going around with an ODM making a HDMI cable for us. Standard cable just 
has our brand logo molded in the connector shell. Cable is to be used with 
Category 4 (ITE) Equipment and is sold separately.

 

The question is CE Marked or not CE Marked. I say it must be CE Marked and they 
say not required. I have been through the directives and FAQ more than a few 
times and it seems black and white to me.

 

They say they talked to three different compliance labs, at least one of which 
is familiar to a lot of us on the west coast, and all say not required. They 
say their compliance engineers all went to the required training and they all 
say not required.

 

 

Am I the only one that thinks these HDMI cables need to be CE Marked? Or am I 
missing something? Like maybe not required today but required to be marked at 
some future date like 2019 maybe?

 

Last, assuming I am not on some good psychedelics and CE Marking is required on 
or for HDMI cables, can I get away with putting the CE Mark on the single unit 
package, like a label on the poly bag it is sealed in?

 

I thank everybody that helps answer the question and keeps me from consuming 
more of those pink pills.

 

Happy New Year to all.

Scott

 

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[PSES] CE Marking HDMI Cables

[Scott Douglas]

I am going around with an ODM making a HDMI cable for us. Standard cable
just has our brand logo molded in the connector shell. Cable is to be used
with Category 4 (ITE) Equipment and is sold separately.

The question is CE Marked or not CE Marked. I say it must be CE Marked and
they say not required. I have been through the directives and FAQ more than
a few times and it seems black and white to me.

They say they talked to three different compliance labs, at least one of
which is familiar to a lot of us on the west coast, and all say not
required. They say their compliance engineers all went to the required
training and they all say not required.


Am I the only one that thinks these HDMI cables need to be CE Marked? Or am
I missing something? Like maybe not required today but required to be
marked at some future date like 2019 maybe?

Last, assuming I am not on some good psychedelics and CE Marking is
required on or for HDMI cables, can I get away with putting the CE Mark on
the single unit package, like a label on the poly bag it is sealed in?

I thank everybody that helps answer the question and keeps me from
consuming more of those pink pills.

Happy New Year to all.
Scott

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