Re: [PSES] CE marked products

[Scott Xe]

Fully agree on such design.  However the bag of adapters should be optional
so the user will obtain it when needed to avoid e-waste.

Rgds,

Scott

On Wed, 26 Jan 2022 at 23:07, Bill Owsley  wrote:

> We handled the power cords as separate items with their own approvals.
> And depending on the country the product was being shipped to, the correct
> power cord was added to shipment.
> If a citizen is moving a product from country to country, it is their
> problem to get the correct power cord for country receptacles.
> The flexibility of detachable power cords allows for the mixing and
> matching.
> If a product design is such that a detachable power cord is not available,
> well, get creative with a bag of adapters.
> If a product has the power cord wired into the device, it becomes a
> country specific device, or it gets a bag of adapters to fit into whatever
> country it is in.
>
>
> On Wednesday, January 26, 2022, 09:38:45 AM EST, scott...@gmail.com <
> scott...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> In general understanding, products bearing CE Mark are free movement in
> the EU. I doubt how can they do it.  For example, a Euro plug is fitted in
> the product.  How can it operate in Ireland where UK plug is common?  Do
> the products mark the CE Mark incorrectly or must the products comply with
> all national deviations in the LVD standard (some EPSs do supply different
> plugs but costly & not common on products)?  Did I miss something in the
> requirements to look after this scenario?  Appreciate the guidance to read
> the requirements correctly!
>
>
>
> Thanks and regards,
>
>
>
> Scott
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Re: [PSES] [PSES] CE marked products

[Scott Xe]

That is to say the manufacturers are liable to supply the right plug with
the product for the market to be placed, not necessary for all 27 markets.
If the user moves the product to another country, the user is liable to
adopt a correct converter.

Thanks and regards,

Scott

On Wed, 26 Jan 2022 at 22:47,  wrote:

> Scott
>
>
>
> In the UK (don’t know about Eire) the law (UK Plug & Socket Regs 1994
> https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1994/1768/made) Clause 9 require that
> an appliance with a non-UK plug be supplied with a suitable “conversion
> plug” that does meet UK requirements and will fit a standard UK 13A socket.
> Suitable “conversion plugs” are widely available in the UK.
>
>
>
> John E Allen
>
> W. London, UK
>
> *From:* scott...@gmail.com 
> *Sent:* 26 January 2022 14:39
> *To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
> *Subject:*  [PSES] CE marked products
>
>
>
> In general understanding, products bearing CE Mark are free movement in
> the EU. I doubt how can they do it.  For example, a Euro plug is fitted in
> the product.  How can it operate in Ireland where UK plug is common?  Do
> the products mark the CE Mark incorrectly or must the products comply with
> all national deviations in the LVD standard (some EPSs do supply different
> plugs but costly & not common on products)?  Did I miss something in the
> requirements to look after this scenario?  Appreciate the guidance to read
> the requirements correctly!
>
>
>
> Thanks and regards,
>
>
>
> Scott
>
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Re: [PSES] CE marked products

[Bill Owsley]

 We handled the power cords as separate items with their own approvals.
And depending on the country the product was being shipped to, the correct 
power cord was added to shipment.  If a citizen is moving a product from 
country to country, it is their problem to get the correct power cord for 
country receptacles. 
The flexibility of detachable power cords allows for the mixing and matching.
If a product design is such that a detachable power cord is not available, 
well, get creative with a bag of adapters.
If a product has the power cord wired into the device, it becomes a country 
specific device, or it gets a bag of adapters to fit into whatever country it 
is in.


On Wednesday, January 26, 2022, 09:38:45 AM EST, scott...@gmail.com 
 wrote:  
 
 
In general understanding, products bearing CE Mark are free movement in the EU. 
I doubt how can they do it.  For example, a Euro plug is fitted in the product. 
 How can it operate in Ireland where UK plug is common?  Do the products mark 
the CE Mark incorrectly or must the products comply with all national 
deviations in the LVD standard (some EPSs do supply different plugs but costly 
& not common on products)?  Did I miss something in the requirements to look 
after this scenario?  Appreciate the guidance to read the requirements 
correctly!

  

Thanks and regards,

  

Scott
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Re: [PSES] [PSES] CE marked products

[MIKE SHERMAN]

 
 
  
   There’s a useful summary of European plug requirements in an annex to 60335-1. Also note that Switzerland allows adaptors for some smaller products but not some larger ones. The people in the Swiss group regulating this have been quite helpful in educating me on their rules in a positive way. 
   Mike Sherman 
  
  
   
On 01/26/2022 8:47 AM John E Allen <09cc677f395b-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org> wrote:
   
   

   
   

   
   
Scott
 
In the UK (don’t know about Eire) the law (UK Plug & Socket Regs 1994 https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1994/1768/made) Clause 9 require that an appliance with a non-UK plug be supplied with a suitable “conversion plug” that does meet UK requirements and will fit a standard UK 13A socket. Suitable “conversion plugs” are widely available in the UK.
 
John E Allen
W. London, UK

 
  From: scott...@gmail.com  Sent: 26 January 2022 14:39To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORGSubject:  [PSES] CE marked products
 


In general understanding, products bearing CE Mark are free movement in the EU. I doubt how can they do it.  For example, a Euro plug is fitted in the product.  How can it operate in Ireland where UK plug is common?  Do the products mark the CE Mark incorrectly or must the products comply with all national deviations in the LVD standard (some EPSs do supply different plugs but costly & not common on products)?  Did I miss something in the requirements to look after this scenario?  Appreciate the guidance to read the requirements correctly!

Thanks and regards,

Scott
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Re: [PSES] [PSES] CE marked products

[John E Allen]

Correction – correct reference in the quoted Regs is Clause 12 (2) (b) – sorry 
for the error

 

John E Allen

W. London UK

From: John E Allen <09cc677f395b-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org> 
Sent: 26 January 2022 14:48
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES]  [PSES] CE marked products

 

Scott

 

In the UK (don’t know about Eire) the law (UK Plug & Socket Regs 1994 
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1994/1768/made) Clause 9 require that an 
appliance with a non-UK plug be supplied with a suitable “conversion plug” that 
does meet UK requirements and will fit a standard UK 13A socket. Suitable 
“conversion plugs” are widely available in the UK.

 

John E Allen

W. London, UK

From: scott...@gmail.com <mailto:scott...@gmail.com>  mailto:scott...@gmail.com> > 
Sent: 26 January 2022 14:39
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> 
Subject:  [PSES] CE marked products

 

In general understanding, products bearing CE Mark are free movement in the EU. 
I doubt how can they do it.  For example, a Euro plug is fitted in the product. 
 How can it operate in Ireland where UK plug is common?  Do the products mark 
the CE Mark incorrectly or must the products comply with all national 
deviations in the LVD standard (some EPSs do supply different plugs but costly 
& not common on products)?  Did I miss something in the requirements to look 
after this scenario?  Appreciate the guidance to read the requirements 
correctly!

 

Thanks and regards,

 

Scott

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Re: [PSES] [PSES] CE marked products

[John E Allen]

Scott

 

In the UK (don’t know about Eire) the law (UK Plug & Socket Regs 1994 
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1994/1768/made) Clause 9 require that an 
appliance with a non-UK plug be supplied with a suitable “conversion plug” that 
does meet UK requirements and will fit a standard UK 13A socket. Suitable 
“conversion plugs” are widely available in the UK.

 

John E Allen

W. London, UK

From: scott...@gmail.com  
Sent: 26 January 2022 14:39
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject:  [PSES] CE marked products

 

In general understanding, products bearing CE Mark are free movement in the EU. 
I doubt how can they do it.  For example, a Euro plug is fitted in the product. 
 How can it operate in Ireland where UK plug is common?  Do the products mark 
the CE Mark incorrectly or must the products comply with all national 
deviations in the LVD standard (some EPSs do supply different plugs but costly 
& not common on products)?  Did I miss something in the requirements to look 
after this scenario?  Appreciate the guidance to read the requirements 
correctly!

 

Thanks and regards,

 

Scott

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[PSES] CE marked products

[scott . xe]

In general understanding, products bearing CE Mark are free movement in the EU. 
I doubt how can they do it.  For example, a Euro plug is fitted in the product. 
 How can it operate in Ireland where UK plug is common?  Do the products mark 
the CE Mark incorrectly or must the products comply with all national 
deviations in the LVD standard (some EPSs do supply different plugs but costly 
& not common on products)?  Did I miss something in the requirements to look 
after this scenario?  Appreciate the guidance to read the requirements 
correctly!

 

Thanks and regards,

 

Scott


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