Re: [PSES] Lithium Button Cell Battery - NRTL markings

2023-07-18 Thread John Woodgate 

I agree that your procedures are what is necessary.

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On 2023-07-18 21:06, Bansi Patel wrote:


John:

In this case I would ask manufacturer (thru your purchasing channel) 
regarding marking requirements agreed as a certification requirement 
from the UL. That should be condition of acceptability. Have that 
letter or document available at time of UL inspection.


Other way, I handed was to ask for certificate (or document) of 
acceptance (CofA or DofA) of shipment form your supplier, stating 
quantity part number order number meets UL component marking 
requirements. And store it with incoming inspection.


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Hi guys,

We are having a heck of time proving a button cell is actually UR - 
CR2354.


UL IQ says it’s UR.  The Battery is not marked.  The Guide Card allows 
the marking to be on “packaging”.  Our customer purchases the CR2354 
on-line.  The packaging it comes in is not marked.  Is it possible the 
UR mark is on the Bulk packaging that the on-line supplier would have?


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Re: [PSES] Lithium Button Cell Battery - NRTL markings

2023-07-18 Thread Bansi Patel 
John:

 

In this case I would ask manufacturer (thru your purchasing channel)
regarding marking requirements agreed as a certification requirement from
the UL. That should be condition of acceptability. Have that letter or
document available at time of UL inspection.

Other way, I handed was to ask for certificate (or document) of acceptance
(CofA or DofA) of shipment form your supplier, stating quantity part number
order number meets UL component marking requirements. And store it with
incoming inspection. 

 

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From: John Allen  
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To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] Lithium Button Cell Battery - NRTL markings

 

Hi guys,

 

We are having a heck of time proving a button cell is actually UR - CR2354.

 

UL IQ says it's UR.  The Battery is not marked.  The Guide Card allows the
marking to be on "packaging".  Our customer purchases the CR2354 on-line.
The packaging it comes in is not marked.  Is it possible the UR mark is on
the Bulk packaging that the on-line supplier would have?

 

Best Regards and Be Safe,

 

John

 

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Re: [PSES] Lithium Button Cell Battery - NRTL markings

2023-07-18 Thread IBM Ken 
Hi John;

Is this battery used in a higher-level product?  Is your problem that a
certifying agency won't complete the certification, or that the end product
is already certified, but failing FUS/ inspections at the manufacturer
because they can't verify the battery is UR?

PS: When you say UR, are you referring to the backwards UL Recognition
mark, or are you specifically concerned about the User Replaceable aspect
of the battery's certifications?

-Ken A

On Tue, Jul 18, 2023 at 12:41 PM John Allen 
wrote:

> Hi guys,
>
>
>
> We are having a heck of time proving a button cell is actually UR - CR2354.
>
>
>
> UL IQ says it’s UR.  The Battery is not marked.  The Guide Card allows the
> marking to be on “packaging”.  Our customer purchases the CR2354 on-line.
> The packaging it comes in is not marked.  Is it possible the UR mark is on
> the Bulk packaging that the on-line supplier would have?
>
>
>
> Best Regards and Be Safe,
>
>
>
> John
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Re: [PSES] Lithium Button Cell Battery - NRTL markings

2023-07-18 Thread Jim Bacher, WB8VSU 
John, the original manufacturer is allowed to Mark the shipping box instead 
of the part. To buy the battery from someone else, that someone else needs 
to be a UL Recognized repackager. A repackager is allowed to break the 
cells into smaller boxes and Mark the smaller shipping boxes with the UL mark.


Jim

On July 18, 2023 12:41:25 PM John Allen  wrote:

Hi guys,



We are having a heck of time proving a button cell is actually UR - CR2354.



UL IQ says it’s UR.  The Battery is not marked.  The Guide Card allows the 
marking to be on “packaging”.  Our customer purchases the CR2354 on-line.  
The packaging it comes in is not marked.  Is it possible the UR mark is on 
the Bulk packaging that the on-line supplier would have?




Best Regards and Be Safe,



John



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[PSES] Lithium Button Cell Battery - NRTL markings

2023-07-18 Thread John Allen 
Hi guys,

We are having a heck of time proving a button cell is actually UR - CR2354.

UL IQ says it's UR.  The Battery is not marked.  The Guide Card allows the 
marking to be on "packaging".  Our customer purchases the CR2354 on-line.  The 
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packaging that the on-line supplier would have?

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