Re: [PSES] Product safety leading edge

[David Schaefer]

Thanks to all who responded. It’s great being able to gain insight into other 
fields of engineering.




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On 7/26/2019 7:13 AM, David Schaefer wrote:
All,

As an EMC engineer I’m aware of new technologies and challenges in EMC testing 
- 5G and IoT, time domain measurements, risk management, millimeter wave, etc.

Idle curiosity made me wonder – what are leading topics on the Product Safety 
side?

Thanks,


David Schaefer
Department Manager, EMC
Element Materials Technology
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Brooklyn Park, MN 55445, United States
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Re: [PSES] Product safety leading edge

[John Allen]

And don’t forget about the work on mobile robots -R15.08 American National 
Standard for Industrial Mobile Robots and Robot Systems

Best Regards,

John

John Allen
Product Safety Consulting, Inc
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On Jul 27, 2019, at 10:08 PM, Richard Nute 
mailto:ri...@ieee.org>> wrote:


I can offer some new "stuff" on the product safety side:

1.  Study of body dc resistance by Hai Jiang and Paul Brazis.
2.  Study of measurement of ac riding on dc touch current by Pete Perkins and 
TC108/WG5.
3.  Study of enclosure apertures by Jeff Pasternak.
4.  Risk analysis becoming mainstream and taking over traditional safety 
requirements.
5.  Functional safety (in addition to hardware safety).
6.  Protection against arc flash.
7.  Safety of wearable electrically-powered stuff.
8.  Continued lithium battery safety issues.
9.  Domestic and application-specific solar power.
10. New concepts in medical products.

Best regards,
Richard Nute
IEEE Life Fellow
Bend, Oregon, USA


On 7/26/2019 7:13 AM, David Schaefer wrote:
All,

As an EMC engineer I’m aware of new technologies and challenges in EMC testing 
- 5G and IoT, time domain measurements, risk management, millimeter wave, etc.

Idle curiosity made me wonder – what are leading topics on the Product Safety 
side?

Thanks,


David Schaefer
Department Manager, EMC
Element Materials Technology
9349 W Broadway Ave
Brooklyn Park, MN 55445, United States
O +1 612 638 5136 ext. 4003
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Re: [PSES] Product safety leading edge

[Richard Nute]

I can offer some new "stuff" on the product safety side:

1.  Study of body dc resistance by Hai Jiang and Paul Brazis.
2.  Study of measurement of ac riding on dc touch current by Pete 
Perkins and TC108/WG5.

3.  Study of enclosure apertures by Jeff Pasternak.
4.  Risk analysis becoming mainstream and taking over traditional safety 
requirements.

5.  Functional safety (in addition to hardware safety).
6.  Protection against arc flash.
7.  Safety of wearable electrically-powered stuff.
8.  Continued lithium battery safety issues.
9.  Domestic and application-specific solar power.
10. New concepts in medical products.

Best regards,
Richard Nute
IEEE Life Fellow
Bend, Oregon, USA


On 7/26/2019 7:13 AM, David Schaefer wrote:


All,

As an EMC engineer I’m aware of new technologies and challenges in EMC 
testing - 5G and IoT, time domain measurements, risk management, 
millimeter wave, etc.


Idle curiosity made me wonder – what are leading topics on the Product 
Safety side?


Thanks,

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Department Manager, EMC
Element Materials Technology
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Brooklyn Park, MN 55445, United States
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www.element.com





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Re: [PSES] Product safety leading edge

[John Woodgate]

I would agree, although it's not about electronics. The first 
alternatives to halogenated additives seem to be those containing 
phosphorus, which is probably no help. Others contain boron or antimony, 
which are also probably of no help. More benign retardants do exist; 
magnesium hydroxide, aluminium hydroxide and hydrated magnesium 
carbonate minerals. Apparently, aluminium hydroxide is very widely used, 
but less so by the electronics industry. Mould wear may be an issue: 
electronics products often require very high surface finish. But would 
it matter if they were matter? ;-


Best wishes
John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only
J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk
Rayleigh, Essex UK

On 2019-07-26 22:03, Ted Eckert wrote:


In my opinion, increasing environmental compliance requirements are 
putting the development of new flame retardants at the forefront of 
safety technology. We are seeing more restrictions on halogenated 
flame retardants which eliminates a lot of the long-standing methods 
used for plastics. There is also a growing demand for manufacturers to 
use post-consumer recycled materials, which is more difficult to do 
with many flame retardant plastics.


Ted Eckert

Microsoft Corporation

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Re: [PSES] Product safety leading edge

[Ted Eckert]

In my opinion, increasing environmental compliance requirements are putting the 
development of new flame retardants at the forefront of safety technology. We 
are seeing more restrictions on halogenated flame retardants which eliminates a 
lot of the long-standing methods used for plastics. There is also a growing 
demand for manufacturers to use post-consumer recycled materials, which is more 
difficult to do with many flame retardant plastics.

Ted Eckert
Microsoft Corporation

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Hazard-based safety engineering rather than strictly prescriptive standards is 
one obvious leading edge change.  There are always technology specific advances 
such as USB power supply output levels.
I'm sure others will have other examples.
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As an EMC engineer I’m aware of new technologies and challenges in EMC testing 
- 5G and IoT, time domain measurements, risk management, millimeter wave, etc.


Idle curiosity made me wonder – what are leading topics on the Product Safety 
side?


Thanks,

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Re: [PSES] Product safety leading edge

[Dan Roman]

Hazard-based safety engineering rather than strictly prescriptive standards is 
one obvious leading edge change.  There are always technology specific advances 
such as USB power supply output levels.

I'm sure others will have other examples.

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On Jul 26, 2019, 10:13 AM, at 10:13 AM, David Schaefer 
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>All,
>
>As an EMC engineer I'm aware of new technologies and challenges in EMC
>testing - 5G and IoT, time domain measurements, risk management,
>millimeter wave, etc.
>
>Idle curiosity made me wonder - what are leading topics on the Product
>Safety side?
>
>Thanks,
>
>
>David Schaefer
>Department Manager, EMC
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[PSES] Product safety leading edge

[David Schaefer]

All,

As an EMC engineer I'm aware of new technologies and challenges in EMC testing 
- 5G and IoT, time domain measurements, risk management, millimeter wave, etc.

Idle curiosity made me wonder - what are leading topics on the Product Safety 
side?

Thanks,


David Schaefer
Department Manager, EMC
Element Materials Technology
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Brooklyn Park, MN 55445, United States
O +1 612 638 5136 ext. 4003
david.schae...@element.com
www.element.com
 



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