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Re: [PSES] Safety Test Templates Question

2018-08-03 Thread Schmidt, Mark

Hi Brian,

“The good-old-days” Where have all the good times gone?

Legislation destroyed the essence of common sense practices and logic. 
Influenced by power (monetary) and opinion which equates to politics. Yup, I 
said the “P” word.

Regards,
Mark

From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 4:56 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety Test Templates Question

I have seen many reports from Field Evaluations where the inspector could not 
determine if a section was a pass or fail, so it was marked down as a FAIL or 
Non-Compliance.  Just because they do not have the equipment in the field to 
make the determination, they put it down as a Non-Compliance (this happens in 
Europe).   I think is should be illegal to call something Non-Compliant unless 
you can prove it is.  Doesn’t the Directives state the Compliance is Assumed 
unless proven otherwise?  (in not so many words).

Also, if a section is Not Applicable, you had to write up a justification 
showing why this section does not apply.  Like I don’t have better things to do.

Remember the good-old-days?  P P P P P P N P P N N P P P and without comments 
on every section.

Brian Kunde
Manager • Compliance Engineering
LECO Corp • Compliance Testing Center

From: John Allen [mailto:09cc677f395b-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org]
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 4:43 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety Test Templates Question

Having, over the years (!), seen a few TRF’s, I totally agree with the  1st 
sentence below – absolutely of no use to the “average” engineer in most 
companies, other than the test labs, because the “correct answers” are in the 
eyes of the beholders as there are so many possible interpretations and 
“hidden” questions!

At my last company I had to totally dissect the standard (61010-1, 2nd Ed. 
IIRC) down to the individual phrases of each sentence of each para of each 
Clause of the document in order to be able to ask the question “Not 
applicable”, “Pass” or “Fail”. Even then, early in the analysis process, there 
were inevitably a lot of “To be Determined” (TBD) “answers” that would need a 
lot more investigation and possible testing before the “final” answer to that 
“Not applicable”, “Pass” or “Fail” question could be determined (possibly!) ☹

John E Allen
W. London, UK

From: Doug Powell [mailto:doug...@gmail.com]
Sent: 02 August 2018 19:06
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>
Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety Test Templates Question

Interesting,

Seems like the test lab has put together their own criteria. The official TRF 
has this information.


Possible test case verdicts:




- test case does not apply to the test object. :

N/A

- test object does meet the requirement... :

P (Pass)

- test object does not meet the requirement. :

F (Fail)


Best, Doug



On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 12:01 PM Kevin J Harris 
mailto:kevin.3.har...@jci.com>> wrote:

Hi Doug

The testing templates were for tests found in either IEC 60950 or IEC 62368.

Kevin



From: Doug Powell [mailto:doug...@gmail.com<mailto:doug...@gmail.com>]
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 1:27 PM
To: Kevin J Harris mailto:kevin.3.har...@jci.com>>
Cc: EMC-PSTC mailto:EMC-PSTC@listserv.ieee.org>>
Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety Test Templates Question

Interesting question/

Can you be more specific on the type of test or the standards involved.  Most 
IEC-based test report forms I use have P, F, NA

Thx, Doug

Douglas E Powell
Laporte, Colorado USA
doug...@gmail.com<mailto:doug...@gmail.com>
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On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 11:21 AM Kevin J Harris 
mailto:kevin.3.har...@jci.com>> wrote:
Hello

On test templates from several laboratories I have noticed where they indicate 
whether or not a particular test was successful or not, that there is an 
arrangement of text such as this

Conforms:Y □N  □
Non-Conforms:  Y □N  □

Is there a technical or legal reason behind this sort of double statement?


Thanks

Kevin

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Re: [PSES] Safety Test Templates Question

2018-08-02 Thread Kunde, Brian

I have seen many reports from Field Evaluations where the inspector could not 
determine if a section was a pass or fail, so it was marked down as a FAIL or 
Non-Compliance.  Just because they do not have the equipment in the field to 
make the determination, they put it down as a Non-Compliance (this happens in 
Europe).   I think is should be illegal to call something Non-Compliant unless 
you can prove it is.  Doesn’t the Directives state the Compliance is Assumed 
unless proven otherwise?  (in not so many words).

Also, if a section is Not Applicable, you had to write up a justification 
showing why this section does not apply.  Like I don’t have better things to do.

Remember the good-old-days?  P P P P P P N P P N N P P P and without comments 
on every section.

Brian Kunde
Manager • Compliance Engineering
LECO Corp • Compliance Testing Center

From: John Allen [mailto:09cc677f395b-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org]
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 4:43 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety Test Templates Question

Having, over the years (!), seen a few TRF’s, I totally agree with the  1st 
sentence below – absolutely of no use to the “average” engineer in most 
companies, other than the test labs, because the “correct answers” are in the 
eyes of the beholders as there are so many possible interpretations and 
“hidden” questions!

At my last company I had to totally dissect the standard (61010-1, 2nd Ed. 
IIRC) down to the individual phrases of each sentence of each para of each 
Clause of the document in order to be able to ask the question “Not 
applicable”, “Pass” or “Fail”. Even then, early in the analysis process, there 
were inevitably a lot of “To be Determined” (TBD) “answers” that would need a 
lot more investigation and possible testing before the “final” answer to that 
“Not applicable”, “Pass” or “Fail” question could be determined (possibly!) ☹

John E Allen
W. London, UK

From: Doug Powell [mailto:doug...@gmail.com]
Sent: 02 August 2018 19:06
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>
Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety Test Templates Question

Interesting,

Seems like the test lab has put together their own criteria. The official TRF 
has this information.


Possible test case verdicts:




- test case does not apply to the test object. :

N/A

- test object does meet the requirement... :

P (Pass)

- test object does not meet the requirement. :

F (Fail)


Best, Doug



On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 12:01 PM Kevin J Harris 
mailto:kevin.3.har...@jci.com>> wrote:

Hi Doug

The testing templates were for tests found in either IEC 60950 or IEC 62368.

Kevin



From: Doug Powell [mailto:doug...@gmail.com<mailto:doug...@gmail.com>]
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 1:27 PM
To: Kevin J Harris mailto:kevin.3.har...@jci.com>>
Cc: EMC-PSTC mailto:EMC-PSTC@listserv.ieee.org>>
Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety Test Templates Question

Interesting question/

Can you be more specific on the type of test or the standards involved.  Most 
IEC-based test report forms I use have P, F, NA

Thx, Doug

Douglas E Powell
Laporte, Colorado USA
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On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 11:21 AM Kevin J Harris 
mailto:kevin.3.har...@jci.com>> wrote:
Hello

On test templates from several laboratories I have noticed where they indicate 
whether or not a particular test was successful or not, that there is an 
arrangement of text such as this

Conforms:Y □N  □
Non-Conforms:  Y □N  □

Is there a technical or legal reason behind this sort of double statement?


Thanks

Kevin

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Re: [PSES] Safety Test Templates Question

2018-08-02 Thread John Allen

Having, over the years (!), seen a few TRF’s, I totally agree with the  1st 
sentence below – absolutely of no use to the “average” engineer in most 
companies, other than the test labs, because the “correct answers” are in the 
eyes of the beholders as there are so many possible interpretations and 
“hidden” questions!

 

At my last company I had to totally dissect the standard (61010-1, 2nd Ed. 
IIRC) down to the individual phrases of each sentence of each para of each 
Clause of the document in order to be able to ask the question “Not 
applicable”, “Pass” or “Fail”. Even then, early in the analysis process, there 
were inevitably a lot of “To be Determined” (TBD) “answers” that would need a 
lot more investigation and possible testing before the “final” answer to that 
“Not applicable”, “Pass” or “Fail” question could be determined (possibly!) L

 

John E Allen

W. London, UK

 

From: Doug Powell [mailto:doug...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 02 August 2018 19:06
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety Test Templates Question

 

Interesting,

 

Seems like the test lab has put together their own criteria. The official TRF 
has this information.  

 


Possible test case verdicts:

 


- test case does not apply to the test object. :

N/A


- test object does meet the requirement... :

P (Pass)


- test object does not meet the requirement. :

F (Fail)

 

Best, Doug

 

 

 

On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 12:01 PM Kevin J Harris  wrote:

 

Hi Doug

 

The testing templates were for tests found in either IEC 60950 or IEC 62368. 

 

Kevin

 

 

 

From: Doug Powell [mailto:doug...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 1:27 PM
To: Kevin J Harris 
Cc: EMC-PSTC 
Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety Test Templates Question

 

Interesting question/

 

Can you be more specific on the type of test or the standards involved.  Most 
IEC-based test report forms I use have P, F, NA

 

Thx, Doug

 

Douglas E Powell

Laporte, Colorado USA

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On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 11:21 AM Kevin J Harris  wrote:

Hello

 

On test templates from several laboratories I have noticed where they indicate 
whether or not a particular test was successful or not, that there is an 
arrangement of text such as this

 

Conforms:Y □N  □

Non-Conforms:  Y □N  □

 

Is there a technical or legal reason behind this sort of double statement?

 

 

Thanks

 

Kevin

 

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Re: [PSES] Safety Test Templates Question

2018-08-02 Thread Kevin J Harris


Hi Doug

The testing templates were for tests found in either IEC 60950 or IEC 62368.

Kevin



From: Doug Powell [mailto:doug...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 1:27 PM
To: Kevin J Harris 
Cc: EMC-PSTC 
Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety Test Templates Question

Interesting question/

Can you be more specific on the type of test or the standards involved.  Most 
IEC-based test report forms I use have P, F, NA

Thx, Doug

Douglas E Powell
Laporte, Colorado USA
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On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 11:21 AM Kevin J Harris 
mailto:kevin.3.har...@jci.com>> wrote:
Hello

On test templates from several laboratories I have noticed where they indicate 
whether or not a particular test was successful or not, that there is an 
arrangement of text such as this

Conforms:Y □N  □
Non-Conforms:  Y □N  □

Is there a technical or legal reason behind this sort of double statement?


Thanks

Kevin

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Re: [PSES] Safety Test Templates Question

2018-08-02 Thread Bender, Curtis

Or it could have or have not applied…

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employer.
Curt
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Likely not, but we'll never know for sure.

Doug

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Does the testing involve Schroedinger’s cat?

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Microsoft Corporation

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Subject: [PSES] Safety Test Templates Question

Hello

On test templates from several laboratories I have noticed where they indicate 
whether or not a particular test was successful or not, that there is an 
arrangement of text such as this

Conforms:Y □N  □
Non-Conforms:  Y □N  □

Is there a technical or legal reason behind this sort of double statement?

Thanks

Kevin

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Re: [PSES] Safety Test Templates Question

2018-08-02 Thread Scott Aldous

Yes. And no.

On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 11:52 AM Ted Eckert <
07cf6ebeab9d-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org> wrote:

> Does the testing involve Schroedinger’s cat?
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>
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> Ted Eckert
>
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> The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of
> my employer.
>
>
>
> *From:* Kevin J Harris 
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 2, 2018 10:06 AM
> *To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
> *Subject:* [PSES] Safety Test Templates Question
>
>
>
> Hello
>
>
>
> On test templates from several laboratories I have noticed where they
> indicate whether or not a particular test was successful or not, that there
> is an arrangement of text such as this
>
>
>
> Conforms:Y □N  □
>
> Non-Conforms:  Y □N  □
>
>
>
> Is there a technical or legal reason behind this sort of double statement?
>
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>
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>
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> Thanks
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> Kevin
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Re: [PSES] Safety Test Templates Question

2018-08-02 Thread Doug Powell

Likely not, but we'll never know for sure.

Doug


On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 12:53 PM Ted Eckert <
07cf6ebeab9d-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org> wrote:

> Does the testing involve Schroedinger’s cat?
>
>
>
> Ted Eckert
>
> Microsoft Corporation
>
>
>
> The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of
> my employer.
>
>
>
> *From:* Kevin J Harris 
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 2, 2018 10:06 AM
> *To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
> *Subject:* [PSES] Safety Test Templates Question
>
>
>
> Hello
>
>
>
> On test templates from several laboratories I have noticed where they
> indicate whether or not a particular test was successful or not, that there
> is an arrangement of text such as this
>
>
>
> Conforms:Y □N  □
>
> Non-Conforms:  Y □N  □
>
>
>
> Is there a technical or legal reason behind this sort of double statement?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Kevin
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>
>
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Re: [PSES] Safety Test Templates Question

2018-08-02 Thread Ted Eckert

Does the testing involve Schroedinger’s cat?

Ted Eckert
Microsoft Corporation

The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my 
employer.

From: Kevin J Harris 
Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 10:06 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] Safety Test Templates Question

Hello

On test templates from several laboratories I have noticed where they indicate 
whether or not a particular test was successful or not, that there is an 
arrangement of text such as this

Conforms:Y □N  □
Non-Conforms:  Y □N  □

Is there a technical or legal reason behind this sort of double statement?


Thanks

Kevin

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Re: [PSES] Safety Test Templates Question

2018-08-02 Thread Doug Powell

Interesting,

Seems like the test lab has put together their own criteria. The official
TRF has this information.

*Possible test case verdicts:*



*- test case does not apply to the test object. :*

N/A

*- test object does meet the requirement... :*

P (Pass)

*- test object does not meet the requirement. :*

F (Fail)

Best, Doug



On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 12:01 PM Kevin J Harris 
wrote:

>
>
> Hi Doug
>
>
>
> The testing templates were for tests found in either IEC 60950 or IEC
> 62368.
>
>
>
> Kevin
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Doug Powell [mailto:doug...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 02, 2018 1:27 PM
> *To:* Kevin J Harris 
> *Cc:* EMC-PSTC 
> *Subject:* Re: [PSES] Safety Test Templates Question
>
>
>
> Interesting question/
>
>
>
> Can you be more specific on the type of test or the standards involved.
> Most IEC-based test report forms I use have P, F, NA
>
>
>
> Thx, Doug
>
>
>
> Douglas E Powell
>
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> On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 11:21 AM Kevin J Harris 
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>
>
>
> On test templates from several laboratories I have noticed where they
> indicate whether or not a particular test was successful or not, that there
> is an arrangement of text such as this
>
>
>
> Conforms:Y □N  □
>
> Non-Conforms:  Y □N  □
>
>
>
> Is there a technical or legal reason behind this sort of double statement?
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Kevin
>
>
>
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Re: [PSES] Safety Test Templates Question

2018-08-02 Thread Doug Powell

Interesting question/

Can you be more specific on the type of test or the standards involved.
Most IEC-based test report forms I use have P, F, NA

Thx, Doug

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On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 11:21 AM Kevin J Harris 
wrote:

> Hello
>
>
>
> On test templates from several laboratories I have noticed where they
> indicate whether or not a particular test was successful or not, that there
> is an arrangement of text such as this
>
>
>
> Conforms:Y □N  □
>
> Non-Conforms:  Y □N  □
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>
>
> Is there a technical or legal reason behind this sort of double statement?
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> Thanks
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> Kevin
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[PSES] Safety Test Templates Question

2018-08-02 Thread Kevin J Harris

Hello

On test templates from several laboratories I have noticed where they indicate 
whether or not a particular test was successful or not, that there is an 
arrangement of text such as this

Conforms:Y □N  □
Non-Conforms:  Y □N  □

Is there a technical or legal reason behind this sort of double statement?


Thanks

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