Re: [PSES] RE2: [PSES] Television Manufacturing Documentary From The Late 1950's - YouTube
Is DFT obsolete? I say this from an experience I had maybe 7 years ago. My company made aircrew emergency locator beacons and transceivers for the military market. These were not designed for test at all; they were designed to work without any level of manufacturing test. We received an emergency request to quickly supply many more units, but the just-in-time supply chain was not flexible enough. We went to the rather small trash bin where we had been collecting the few units that failed their final (and only) test for whatever reason. We assigned several bodies (me included) to finding the faults and fixing them. It was terrible work; there were no test points, the boards were multi-level and the traces looked more like a moiré pattern. I was struck that the manufacturing process quality was so high that a failed unit was rare, but fixing a failed unit needed heroic effort. Ed Price WB6WSN Chula Vista, CA USA -Original Message- From: Brian Oconnell [mailto:oconne...@tamuracorp.com] Sent: Monday, June 16, 2014 9:59 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] RE2: [PSES] Television Manufacturing Documentary From The Late 1950's - YouTube My love affair with Tek scopes from that era continues. I have two at home. And one in the safety lab, which drives the boss crazy, thus making its retention all worthwhile... The level of test is probably an order of magnitude greater than that era, but perhaps noticed less because most test is automated and most stuff is designed with test in mind (remember the old DFT push?). As for commercial product transport tests - very common and some of these tests are fun to do. Also, in addition to the ANSI and ASTM and IEC stuff, the major carriers also publish specs and profiles and tests for packaging based on a well-defined transport environment. Brian - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] RE2: [PSES] Television Manufacturing Documentary From The Late 1950's - YouTube
My love affair with Tek scopes from that era continues. I have two at home. And one in the safety lab, which drives the boss crazy, thus making its retention all worthwhile... The level of test is probably an order of magnitude greater than that era, but perhaps noticed less because most test is automated and most stuff is designed with test in mind (remember the old DFT push?). As for commercial product transport tests - very common and some of these tests are fun to do. Also, in addition to the ANSI and ASTM and IEC stuff, the major carriers also publish specs and profiles and tests for packaging based on a well-defined transport environment. Brian From: Ed Price [mailto:edpr...@cox.net] Sent: Friday, June 13, 2014 5:40 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] RE2: [PSES] Television Manufacturing Documentary From The Late 1950's - YouTube I was surprised to see Transportation Shock being run on a fully boxed TV. I hadn't realized that any commercial manufacturers had ever done that; I thought it was a strictly military idea. Also, I didn't see anyone smoking. Prior to about 1980, everyone smoked everywhere (or so it seemed to a non-smoker). Ed Price WB6WSN Chula Vista, CA USA -Original Message- From: Pete Perkins [mailto:0061f3f32d0c-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org] Sent: Friday, June 13, 2014 10:21 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] RE2: [PSES] Television Manufacturing Documentary From The Late 1950's - YouTube PSNet'ers, I enjoyed this video very much. Having worked at Tektronix in the business since about that time as depicted in the video it all looked like what we did day by day to get a quality product out. I am pleased to see the use of Tek scopes prominently displayed since I developed CRT displays for a number of products during that time - before I got involved in the safety regulatory activities. Ted is correct, much of the testing has been automated but, in my opinioin, is more rigorous today; component testing has also been pushed back on the supplier. All of this improves the reliability of the equipment. Thanx for this blast from the past. :) br, Pete Peter E Perkins, PE Principal Product Safety Engineer PO Box 23427 Tigard, ORe 97281-3427 503/452-1201 fone/fax p.perk...@ieee.org - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Television Manufacturing Documentary From The Late 1950's - YouTube
Fascinating. Love the bow ties. My pop worked at a GE plant in those days that made magnetron assemblies. They were having high failure rates and he was assigned to investigate the problem. Turned out that one of the assembly ladies was having a tough time putting one of the capacitors on the boards because the leads were too short, so she yanked them out a bit to make it easier to solder it in. Mike Violette Washington Laboratories American Certification Body mi...@wll.com +1 240 401 1388 On Jun 12, 2014, at 3:19 PM, Paasche, Dieter wrote: Testing has changed over time,…. or not? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TF2DZ0E0Q4 Dieter - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Television Manufacturing Documentary From The Late 1950's - YouTube
In one of the scenes I saw an old RCA VTVM. This brought back very fond memories. A comment was made that the caps were tested to TWICE the rated voltage. Isn't that the purpose of a rating, to identify the maximum voltage and ensure that the working voltages are lower? What became of the old massive RCA plant in Camden N.J.? As an antique car collector, I loved seeing the old cars in the parking lot and in use by employees. Thanks for the post. Rick From: Mike Violette [mailto:mi...@acbcert.com] Sent: Friday, June 13, 2014 4:44 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Television Manufacturing Documentary From The Late 1950's - YouTube Fascinating. Love the bow ties. My pop worked at a GE plant in those days that made magnetron assemblies. They were having high failure rates and he was assigned to investigate the problem. Turned out that one of the assembly ladies was having a tough time putting one of the capacitors on the boards because the leads were too short, so she yanked them out a bit to make it easier to solder it in. Mike Violette Washington Laboratories American Certification Body mi...@wll.commailto:mi...@wll.com +1 240 401 1388 On Jun 12, 2014, at 3:19 PM, Paasche, Dieter wrote: Testing has changed over time, or not? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TF2DZ0E0Q4 Dieter - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.orgmailto:emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe)http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.netmailto:emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.orgmailto:mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.orgmailto:j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.commailto:dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.orgmailto:emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe)http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.netmailto:emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.orgmailto:mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.orgmailto:j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.commailto:dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Television Manufacturing Documentary From The Late 1950's - YouTube
Testing - Yes, it looked like they were testing it to death, leaving only the good ones to ship. Obviously, there were enough good ones to give RCA a good reputation. I almost expected quality engineers to be present when the consumer unboxed the set. Locations - I was surprised how many facilities were involved with design manufacturing. Tube testing - I liked the machine with cork bottle tops hitting the sides of tubes. I wonder if it was to test glass strength, or to check for microphonics (excessive microphonics.) Personal safety - I cringed when I saw the woman handling the open liquid nitrogen canister with her bare hands, or the assembly person picking up a CRT by its neck without gloves. My wife recognized the voice of the narrator (Henry 'Jam' Handy), and said must have done every documentary in that era. Pat On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 3:30 PM, Douglas Nix d...@ieee.org wrote: Interesting look back at 1950's manufacturing, especially from a Quality Assurance, Test and OHS perspective. No workers were using any kind of obvious PPE except a few on the soldering lines. No hearing protection, dust masks, safety glasses or other PPE that I could see. Ergonomics sucked in most cases. From a QA standpoint, it looked to me as if they were trying valiantly to test quality in, rather than build it in. The outdoor open-area-test site was pretty interesting too. These are normally inside inflatable structures now, so you can work in crappy weather as well as good. Cool in any case. Thanks for sharing this, Dieter! Doug On 12-Jun-14, at 15:19, Paasche, Dieter dieter.paas...@christiedigital.com wrote: Testing has changed over time,…. or not? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TF2DZ0E0Q4 Dieter - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to LT;emc-p...@ieee.orgGT; All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas LT;emcp...@radiusnorth.netGT; Mike Cantwell LT;mcantw...@ieee.orgGT; For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher LT;j.bac...@ieee.orgGT; David Heald LT;dhe...@gmail.comGT; - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Television Manufacturing Documentary From The Late 1950's - YouTube
I'm not sure I would state that the amount of testing seems outrageous. Many of today's similar products undergo extremely rigorous testing on the assembly line. A modern television will undergo extensive testing. The difference is that modern testing is automated. We have board of nails testers that can verify an entire circuit board quickly. Robotic test stations can check buttons and user interface functions. Cameras and sensors can verify the video and audio outputs. It's possible that modern testing is even more comprehensive. The difference is the automation allows it to be done much more quickly and effectively. We don't need armies of people on the line to run these checks. There is also more testing pushed down to the suppliers. We expect our power supply vendors to run extensive testing before they ship their products to our factories. We may run spot checks, but we expect component testing to be decentralized. Ted Eckert Compliance Engineer Microsoft Corporation ted.eck...@microsoft.com The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer. Testing - Yes, it looked like they were testing it to death, leaving only the good ones to ship. Obviously, there were enough good ones to give RCA a good reputation. I almost expected quality engineers to be present when the consumer unboxed the set. Locations - I was surprised how many facilities were involved with design manufacturing. Tube testing - I liked the machine with cork bottle tops hitting the sides of tubes. I wonder if it was to test glass strength, or to check for microphonics (excessive microphonics.) Personal safety - I cringed when I saw the woman handling the open liquid nitrogen canister with her bare hands, or the assembly person picking up a CRT by its neck without gloves. My wife recognized the voice of the narrator (Henry 'Jam' Handy), and said must have done every documentary in that era. Pat On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 3:30 PM, Douglas Nix d...@ieee.org wrote: Interesting look back at 1950's manufacturing, especially from a Quality Assurance, Test and OHS perspective. No workers were using any kind of obvious PPE except a few on the soldering lines. No hearing protection, dust masks, safety glasses or other PPE that I could see. Ergonomics sucked in most cases. From a QA standpoint, it looked to me as if they were trying valiantly to test quality in, rather than build it in. The outdoor open-area-test site was pretty interesting too. These are normally inside inflatable structures now, so you can work in crappy weather as well as good. Cool in any case. Thanks for sharing this, Dieter! Doug On 12-Jun-14, at 15:19, Paasche, Dieter dieter.paas...@christiedigital.com wrote: Testing has changed over time,…. or not? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TF2DZ0E0Q4 Dieter - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to LT;emc-p...@ieee.orgGT; All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas LT;emcp...@radiusnorth.netGT; Mike Cantwell LT;mcantw...@ieee.orgGT; For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher LT;j.bac...@ieee.orgGT; David Heald LT;dhe...@gmail.comGT; - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All
[PSES] RE2: [PSES] Television Manufacturing Documentary From The Late 1950's - YouTube
PSNet'ers, I enjoyed this video very much. Having worked at Tektronix in the business since about that time as depicted in the video it all looked like what we did day by day to get a quality product out. I am pleased to see the use of Tek scopes prominently displayed since I developed CRT displays for a number of products during that time - before I got involved in the safety regulatory activities. Ted is correct, much of the testing has been automated but, in my opinioin, is more rigorous today; component testing has also been pushed back on the supplier. All of this improves the reliability of the equipment. Thanx for this blast from the past. :) br, Pete Peter E Perkins, PE Principal Product Safety Engineer PO Box 23427 Tigard, ORe 97281-3427 503/452-1201 fone/fax p.perk...@ieee.org -Original Message- From: Ted Eckert [mailto:ted.eck...@microsoft.com] Sent: Friday, June 13, 2014 8:32 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Television Manufacturing Documentary From The Late 1950's - YouTube I'm not sure I would state that the amount of testing seems outrageous. Many of today's similar products undergo extremely rigorous testing on the assembly line. A modern television will undergo extensive testing. The difference is that modern testing is automated. We have board of nails testers that can verify an entire circuit board quickly. Robotic test stations can check buttons and user interface functions. Cameras and sensors can verify the video and audio outputs. It's possible that modern testing is even more comprehensive. The difference is the automation allows it to be done much more quickly and effectively. We don't need armies of people on the line to run these checks. There is also more testing pushed down to the suppliers. We expect our power supply vendors to run extensive testing before they ship their products to our factories. We may run spot checks, but we expect component testing to be decentralized. Ted Eckert Compliance Engineer Microsoft Corporation ted.eck...@microsoft.com The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer. Testing - Yes, it looked like they were testing it to death, leaving only the good ones to ship. Obviously, there were enough good ones to give RCA a good reputation. I almost expected quality engineers to be present when the consumer unboxed the set. Locations - I was surprised how many facilities were involved with design manufacturing. Tube testing - I liked the machine with cork bottle tops hitting the sides of tubes. I wonder if it was to test glass strength, or to check for microphonics (excessive microphonics.) Personal safety - I cringed when I saw the woman handling the open liquid nitrogen canister with her bare hands, or the assembly person picking up a CRT by its neck without gloves. My wife recognized the voice of the narrator (Henry 'Jam' Handy), and said must have done every documentary in that era. Pat On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 3:30 PM, Douglas Nix d...@ieee.org wrote: Interesting look back at 1950's manufacturing, especially from a Quality Assurance, Test and OHS perspective. No workers were using any kind of obvious PPE except a few on the soldering lines. No hearing protection, dust masks, safety glasses or other PPE that I could see. Ergonomics sucked in most cases. From a QA standpoint, it looked to me as if they were trying valiantly to test quality in, rather than build it in. The outdoor open-area-test site was pretty interesting too. These are normally inside inflatable structures now, so you can work in crappy weather as well as good. Cool in any case. Thanks for sharing this, Dieter! Doug On 12-Jun-14, at 15:19, Paasche, Dieter dieter.paas...@christiedigital.com wrote: Testing has changed over time,. or not? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TF2DZ0E0Q4 Dieter - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from
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I was surprised to see Transportation Shock being run on a fully boxed TV. I hadn't realized that any commercial manufacturers had ever done that; I thought it was a strictly military idea. Also, I didn't see anyone smoking. Prior to about 1980, everyone smoked everywhere (or so it seemed to a non-smoker). Ed Price WB6WSN Chula Vista, CA USA -Original Message- From: Pete Perkins [mailto:0061f3f32d0c-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org] Sent: Friday, June 13, 2014 10:21 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] RE2: [PSES] Television Manufacturing Documentary From The Late 1950's - YouTube PSNet'ers, I enjoyed this video very much. Having worked at Tektronix in the business since about that time as depicted in the video it all looked like what we did day by day to get a quality product out. I am pleased to see the use of Tek scopes prominently displayed since I developed CRT displays for a number of products during that time - before I got involved in the safety regulatory activities. Ted is correct, much of the testing has been automated but, in my opinioin, is more rigorous today; component testing has also been pushed back on the supplier. All of this improves the reliability of the equipment. Thanx for this blast from the past. :) br, Pete Peter E Perkins, PE Principal Product Safety Engineer PO Box 23427 Tigard, ORe 97281-3427 503/452-1201 fone/fax mailto:p.perk...@ieee.org p.perk...@ieee.org - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
[PSES] Television Manufacturing Documentary From The Late 1950's - YouTube
Testing has changed over time, or not? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TF2DZ0E0Q4 Dieter - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Television Manufacturing Documentary From The Late 1950's - YouTube
Awesome. At 10 minutes into the video, that green instrument the lady is putting the crucible in is a LECO Carbon/Sulfur Analyzer. We still make these but of course they're much improved today. What a blast from the past. Thanks, The Other Brian From: Paasche, Dieter [mailto:dieter.paas...@christiedigital.com] Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2014 3:19 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Television Manufacturing Documentary From The Late 1950's - YouTube Testing has changed over time, or not? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TF2DZ0E0Q4 Dieter - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.orgmailto:emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe)http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.netmailto:emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.orgmailto:mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.orgmailto:j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.commailto:dhe...@gmail.com LECO Corporation Notice: This communication may contain confidential information intended for the named recipient(s) only. If you received this by mistake, please destroy it and notify us of the error. Thank you. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Television Manufacturing Documentary From The Late 1950's - YouTube
This was truly fascinating - from the height of the pants to the tools they were using. I noticed the open field test site and I sure hope they were looking at specific frequencies since they were doing that with dipole antennas, and I'll bet it was a receiver not a spectrum analyzer. I had intended just to give this a quick look but the process, tools, and effort that existed kept me glued to the video. I sort of inferred that quality might be related to belt height. The guys had them up around their arm pits - too often it's well below the waist these days. Gmac From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com] Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2014 1:45 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Television Manufacturing Documentary From The Late 1950's - YouTube Awesome. At 10 minutes into the video, that green instrument the lady is putting the crucible in is a LECO Carbon/Sulfur Analyzer. We still make these but of course they're much improved today. What a blast from the past. Thanks, The Other Brian From: Paasche, Dieter [mailto:dieter.paas...@christiedigital.com] Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2014 3:19 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORGmailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Television Manufacturing Documentary From The Late 1950's - YouTube Testing has changed over time, or not? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TF2DZ0E0Q4https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v1/url?u=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v%3D5TF2DZ0E0Q4k=b2vlTQszY8VIpYRvaG%2By2A%3D%3D%0Ar=wfHsZjj2K46njWikwK7lPtcx6a6MPoEnW107Er86quU%3D%0Am=Q1NzhYNV6iiFLL0DYuruGAWB4l6mcMVXMJIcDPBMotU%3D%0As=f699d320d7fbe65915651293b83cbbf58c946019167ec599249a0b193ba12f37 Dieter - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.orgmailto:emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.htmlhttps://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v1/url?u=http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.htmlk=b2vlTQszY8VIpYRvaG%2By2A%3D%3D%0Ar=wfHsZjj2K46njWikwK7lPtcx6a6MPoEnW107Er86quU%3D%0Am=Q1NzhYNV6iiFLL0DYuruGAWB4l6mcMVXMJIcDPBMotU%3D%0As=0f97e8e5deac23b0697488eb81a97c45f2b6987a0bae3e15830aebfe6e16ad94 Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v1/url?u=http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/k=b2vlTQszY8VIpYRvaG%2By2A%3D%3D%0Ar=wfHsZjj2K46njWikwK7lPtcx6a6MPoEnW107Er86quU%3D%0Am=Q1NzhYNV6iiFLL0DYuruGAWB4l6mcMVXMJIcDPBMotU%3D%0As=3263b0381e2d754bc594d6fb3aefb094fc06bed6ad550b2b93a562c0c3c4e387 can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v1/url?u=http://www.ieee-pses.org/k=b2vlTQszY8VIpYRvaG%2By2A%3D%3D%0Ar=wfHsZjj2K46njWikwK7lPtcx6a6MPoEnW107Er86quU%3D%0Am=Q1NzhYNV6iiFLL0DYuruGAWB4l6mcMVXMJIcDPBMotU%3D%0As=329ded19b1a5fd5474b10972491c20929d5c1923d445593981f4cef843943cd8 Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe)https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v1/url?u=http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.htmlk=b2vlTQszY8VIpYRvaG%2By2A%3D%3D%0Ar=wfHsZjj2K46njWikwK7lPtcx6a6MPoEnW107Er86quU%3D%0Am=Q1NzhYNV6iiFLL0DYuruGAWB4l6mcMVXMJIcDPBMotU%3D%0As=35e23cb1badb516bcf7f8f2c54f004d77d7dfbf21c549ef17b7bb3e6b0ff55a7 List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.htmlhttps://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v1/url?u=http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.htmlk=b2vlTQszY8VIpYRvaG%2By2A%3D%3D%0Ar=wfHsZjj2K46njWikwK7lPtcx6a6MPoEnW107Er86quU%3D%0Am=Q1NzhYNV6iiFLL0DYuruGAWB4l6mcMVXMJIcDPBMotU%3D%0As=ab6368103ae5c99c22dcf9bd85f7e70fe6dcc873c3b09ec4654edbe561acdfb0 For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.netmailto:emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.orgmailto:mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.orgmailto:j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.commailto:dhe...@gmail.com LECO Corporation Notice: This communication may contain confidential information intended for the named recipient(s) only. If you received this by mistake, please destroy it and notify us of the error. Thank you. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.orgmailto:emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.htmlhttps://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v1/url?u=http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.htmlk=b2vlTQszY8VIpYRvaG%2By2A%3D%3D%0Ar=wfHsZjj2K46njWikwK7lPtcx6a6MPoEnW107Er86quU%3D%0Am=Q1NzhYNV6iiFLL0DYuruGAWB4l6mcMVXMJIcDPBMotU%3D%0As
Re: [PSES] Television Manufacturing Documentary From The Late 1950's - YouTube
Interesting look back at 1950's manufacturing, especially from a Quality Assurance, Test and OHS perspective. No workers were using any kind of obvious PPE except a few on the soldering lines. No hearing protection, dust masks, safety glasses or other PPE that I could see. Ergonomics sucked in most cases. From a QA standpoint, it looked to me as if they were trying valiantly to test quality in, rather than build it in. The outdoor open-area-test site was pretty interesting too. These are normally inside inflatable structures now, so you can work in crappy weather as well as good. Cool in any case. Thanks for sharing this, Dieter! Doug On 12-Jun-14, at 15:19, Paasche, Dieter dieter.paas...@christiedigital.com wrote: Testing has changed over time,…. or not? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TF2DZ0E0Q4 Dieter - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Television Manufacturing Documentary From The Late 1950's - YouTube
Not to mention those really cool heavy, black, straight earpiece eyeglasses. Ed Price WB6WSN Chula Vista, CA USA 1961 Amphicar 770 2001 Fleetwood Storm 31W 2008 Ford Explorer From: Gary McInturff [mailto:gary.mcintu...@esterline.com] Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2014 2:37 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Television Manufacturing Documentary From The Late 1950's - YouTube This was truly fascinating - from the height of the pants to the tools they were using. I noticed the open field test site and I sure hope they were looking at specific frequencies since they were doing that with dipole antennas, and I'll bet it was a receiver not a spectrum analyzer. I had intended just to give this a quick look but the process, tools, and effort that existed kept me glued to the video. I sort of inferred that quality might be related to belt height. The guys had them up around their arm pits - too often it's well below the waist these days. Gmac From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com] Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2014 1:45 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Television Manufacturing Documentary From The Late 1950's - YouTube Awesome. At 10 minutes into the video, that green instrument the lady is putting the crucible in is a LECO Carbon/Sulfur Analyzer. We still make these but of course they're much improved today. What a blast from the past. Thanks, The Other Brian From: Paasche, Dieter [mailto:dieter.paas...@christiedigital.com] Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2014 3:19 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Television Manufacturing Documentary From The Late 1950's - YouTube Testing has changed over time,.. or not? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TF2DZ0E0Q4 https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v1/url?u=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v%3 D5TF2DZ0E0Q4k=b2vlTQszY8VIpYRvaG%2By2A%3D%3D%0Ar=wfHsZjj2K46njWikwK7lPtcx6 a6MPoEnW107Er86quU%3D%0Am=Q1NzhYNV6iiFLL0DYuruGAWB4l6mcMVXMJIcDPBMotU%3D%0A s=f699d320d7fbe65915651293b83cbbf58c946019167ec599249a0b193ba12f37 Dieter - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v1/url?u=http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pst c.htmlk=b2vlTQszY8VIpYRvaG%2By2A%3D%3D%0Ar=wfHsZjj2K46njWikwK7lPtcx6a6MPoE nW107Er86quU%3D%0Am=Q1NzhYNV6iiFLL0DYuruGAWB4l6mcMVXMJIcDPBMotU%3D%0As=0f9 7e8e5deac23b0697488eb81a97c45f2b6987a0bae3e15830aebfe6e16ad94 Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v1/url?u=http://product-compliance.oc.iee e.org/k=b2vlTQszY8VIpYRvaG%2By2A%3D%3D%0Ar=wfHsZjj2K46njWikwK7lPtcx6a6MPoE nW107Er86quU%3D%0Am=Q1NzhYNV6iiFLL0DYuruGAWB4l6mcMVXMJIcDPBMotU%3D%0As=326 3b0381e2d754bc594d6fb3aefb094fc06bed6ad550b2b93a562c0c3c4e387 can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v1/url?u=http://www.ieee-pses.org/k=b2vl TQszY8VIpYRvaG%2By2A%3D%3D%0Ar=wfHsZjj2K46njWikwK7lPtcx6a6MPoEnW107Er86quU% 3D%0Am=Q1NzhYNV6iiFLL0DYuruGAWB4l6mcMVXMJIcDPBMotU%3D%0As=329ded19b1a5fd54 74b10972491c20929d5c1923d445593981f4cef843943cd8 Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v1/url?u=http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.ht mlk=b2vlTQszY8VIpYRvaG%2By2A%3D%3D%0Ar=wfHsZjj2K46njWikwK7lPtcx6a6MPoEnW10 7Er86quU%3D%0Am=Q1NzhYNV6iiFLL0DYuruGAWB4l6mcMVXMJIcDPBMotU%3D%0As=35e23cb 1badb516bcf7f8f2c54f004d77d7dfbf21c549ef17b7bb3e6b0ff55a7 List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v1/url?u=http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrul es.htmlk=b2vlTQszY8VIpYRvaG%2By2A%3D%3D%0Ar=wfHsZjj2K46njWikwK7lPtcx6a6MPo EnW107Er86quU%3D%0Am=Q1NzhYNV6iiFLL0DYuruGAWB4l6mcMVXMJIcDPBMotU%3D%0As=ab 6368103ae5c99c22dcf9bd85f7e70fe6dcc873c3b09ec4654edbe561acdfb0 For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com _ LECO Corporation Notice: This communication may contain confidential information intended for the named recipient(s) only. If you received this by mistake, please destroy it and notify us of the error. Thank you. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html https
Re: [PSES] Television Manufacturing Documentary From The Late 1950's - YouTube
I think I saw an inverted plastic wastebasket protecting the top of the antenna range vertically scanned receive antenna mast. I also liked the Stoddart NM-22 or NM-30 series EMI receivers, plus the old Tek 500 series oscilloscope (bigger than Snoopy's doghouse) on its big roll-around shop cart. It's amazing to see how many processes were performed with so many uncontrolled variables and just how much labor content was expended. I also liked the big roll mill used to process phosphors; one of my early jobs was with a company that made technical ceramics (electronics components from exotic dirts). BTW, how did they make those shadow masks? Ed Price WB6WSN Chula Vista, CA USA 1961 Amphicar 770 2001 Fleetwood Storm 31W 2008 Ford Explorer From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com] Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2014 1:45 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Television Manufacturing Documentary From The Late 1950's - YouTube Awesome. At 10 minutes into the video, that green instrument the lady is putting the crucible in is a LECO Carbon/Sulfur Analyzer. We still make these but of course they're much improved today. What a blast from the past. Thanks, The Other Brian From: Paasche, Dieter [mailto:dieter.paas...@christiedigital.com] Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2014 3:19 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Television Manufacturing Documentary From The Late 1950's - YouTube Testing has changed over time,.. or not? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TF2DZ0E0Q4 Dieter - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com _ LECO Corporation Notice: This communication may contain confidential information intended for the named recipient(s) only. If you received this by mistake, please destroy it and notify us of the error. Thank you. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
