RE: Boilerplate Disclaimer?
Thank you, George, good point. As I've stated before, I very much emphasize with the intent. It's just that we need to be aware of the legal beagles and their perspective. Tania Grant, tgr...@lucent.com tgr...@lucent.com Lucent Technologies, Communications Applications Group -- From: geor...@lexmark.com [SMTP:geor...@lexmark.com] Sent: Thursday, December 09, 1999 12:02 PM To: tgr...@lucent.com Cc: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org; private_u...@lexmark.com Subject: RE: Boilerplate Disclaimer? Tania, One could also ask what are the liability risks for IEEE - EMC/PSTC, etc. when NOT posting such a message under their banner! Maybe no one should post anything because of the crazy legal system we have? My goal was for some statment that at least indicates intent, i.e. personal exchanges between professionals with no fees nor warranties implied. George tgrant%lucent@interlock.lexmark.com on 12/09/99 02:36:19 PM To: emc-pstc%majordomo.ieee@interlock.lexmark.com, George_Alspaugh/Lex/Lexmark@LEXMARK cc:(bcc: George Alspaugh/Lex/Lexmark) Subject: RE: Boilerplate Disclaimer? George, This is an excellent idea;-- however, knowing how litigious this country is, what are the liability risks for IEEE - EMC/PSTC, etc. when posting such a message under their banner! Inversely, would it do the rest of us any good, or would some lawyer come after the unfortunate individual and successfully argue him/her into the poor house! Tania Grant, tgr...@lucent.com tgr...@lucent.com Lucent Technologies, Communications Applications Group -- From: geor...@lexmark.com [SMTP:geor...@lexmark.com] Sent: Thursday, December 09, 1999 7:09 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Boilerplate Disclaimer? This is merely a suggestion for consideration by the managers of this listserver, to whom we are all indebted for their services. Many postings contain some form of disclaimer such as: These comments reflect the personal opinions of the writer and do not necessarily represent the views of the writer's employer. Since this forum is a free exchange of information between professionals with similar interests, aren't ALL comments basically personal opinions? I recommend that some generic disclaimer be added to the present emc-pstc tag which clearly states that all appended comments are considered as personal opinions and are not to be taken as the official position of the writers' employers. This would save us all from typing some caveat with our inputs. Most, including myself, simply do not take the time to add this important legal comment. George Alspaugh Lexmark International - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
RE: Boilerplate Disclaimer?
George, This is an excellent idea;-- however, knowing how litigious this country is, what are the liability risks for IEEE - EMC/PSTC, etc. when posting such a message under their banner! Inversely, would it do the rest of us any good, or would some lawyer come after the unfortunate individual and successfully argue him/her into the poor house! Tania Grant, tgr...@lucent.com tgr...@lucent.com Lucent Technologies, Communications Applications Group -- From: geor...@lexmark.com [SMTP:geor...@lexmark.com] Sent: Thursday, December 09, 1999 7:09 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Boilerplate Disclaimer? This is merely a suggestion for consideration by the managers of this listserver, to whom we are all indebted for their services. Many postings contain some form of disclaimer such as: These comments reflect the personal opinions of the writer and do not necessarily represent the views of the writer's employer. Since this forum is a free exchange of information between professionals with similar interests, aren't ALL comments basically personal opinions? I recommend that some generic disclaimer be added to the present emc-pstc tag which clearly states that all appended comments are considered as personal opinions and are not to be taken as the official position of the writers' employers. This would save us all from typing some caveat with our inputs. Most, including myself, simply do not take the time to add this important legal comment. George Alspaugh Lexmark International - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Re: Boilerplate Disclaimer?
Robert, You raise a good point, one worth airing over the server. 1. I view inputs from subscribers of the listserver like pages from a book. The book may have disclaimers at the beginning. If one copies a page without the disclaimers, and this subsequently creates a problem for the author(s), it can be legally argued that the text was passed along without the original disclaimers. The burden is on the individual who forwarded the material to preserve any original modifiers. BTW, the forwarder can delete my own macro as easily as the emc-ptsc tag. 2. I do not use macro signatures, as I would need many different versions depending on the nature of the communication, e.g. personal, departmental, corporate, external, etc. As a rule I try to avoid the use of ANY macros that normally add no value to the note. 3. A standard disclaimer attached by the listserver can be adequately vague, e.g. All contents submitted to this listserver are considered to be the opinions of the authors and not that of their employers. The key word is considered. I still vote for a generic disclaimer.. George macy%california@interlock.lexmark.com on 12/09/99 11:48:16 AM Please respond to macy%global.california@interlock.lexmark.com To: George_Alspaugh/Lex/Lexmark@LEXMARK cc:(bcc: George Alspaugh/Lex/Lexmark) Subject: Re: Boilerplate Disclaimer? Good point, but maybe some comment might be official. Since any of one's comments may go elsewhere, wouldn't the responsibillity of a disclaimer lie with the originator, not the one who carries it (distributes it) on? Just add the disclaimer to your macro signature. - Robert - -Original Message- From: geor...@lexmark.com geor...@lexmark.com To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: Thursday, December 09, 1999 8:21 AM Subject: Boilerplate Disclaimer? This is merely a suggestion for consideration by the managers of this listserver, to whom we are all indebted for their services. Many postings contain some form of disclaimer such as: These comments reflect the personal opinions of the writer and do not necessarily represent the views of the writer's employer. Since this forum is a free exchange of information between professionals with similar interests, aren't ALL comments basically personal opinions? I recommend that some generic disclaimer be added to the present emc-pstc tag which clearly states that all appended comments are considered as personal opinions and are not to be taken as the official position of the writers' employers. This would save us all from typing some caveat with our inputs. Most, including myself, simply do not take the time to add this important legal comment. George Alspaugh Lexmark International - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
