RE: EMC and product safety split?
Still better, only important chatter should be posted. I have just violated my suggestion. Dave -Original Message- From: John Coyle [mailto:jco...@norsat.com] Sent: 10 March, 2000 5:15 PM To: 'Robert Legg'; 'IEEE EMC-PSTC Forum' Subject: RE: EMC and product safety split? A better solution, if possible would be a digest format sent on a daily basis. John Coyle Engineering Manager, Cable Products . Tel: 604-292-9161 fax: 604-292-9010 jco...@norsat.com -Original Message- From: owner-emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Robert Legg Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 10:33 AM To: IEEE EMC-PSTC Forum Subject: EMC and product safety split? Is there any possibility of getting the EMC and product safety postings partitioned ~ to assist in cutting surplus mail traffic? Rob Legg rl...@tectrol.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
RE: EMC and product safety split?
The following is posted per John's request below. Regards, Paul J. Smith Teradyne, Boston -- Forwarded by Paul J Smith/Bos/Teradyne on 03/15/2000 05:23 PM --- John Freudenberg 03/15/2000 12:36 PM To: Paul J Smith/Bos/Teradyne cc: Subject: RE: EMC and product safety split? (Document link not converted) Paul, Please post my comments to the PSTC listserver. I vote for splitting EMC PSTC and promoting an IEEE Product Safety Society. I am a member and past-president of the Northeast Product Safety Society (non-IEEE) chapter of the PSTC. The success of the Northeast Product Safety Society is based on the specialized focus of product safety engineers sharing information in a forum dedicated to product safety. NPSS has organized a product safety workshop and a product safety trade show that has activated and motivated more local NPSS members than all the other IEEE PSTC chapters in the USA combined. For more information visit http://www.nepss.org NPSS enjoys a great relationship with the New England Chapter of the the IEEE EMC Society holding a joint meetng every Sept for the last five years. Up to approx. 25% of each organization are members of both organizations, however, the majority of each organization seems to prefer a dedicated forum and both forums are always open to everyone. After 12 years of independent success I don't know if NPSS members would join a IEEE Product Safety Society, but it is fact/history that a majority of the local product safety engineers were never interested in joining the IEEE EMC Society. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
RE: EMC and product safety split?
Gary, The question was Is there any possibility of getting the EMC and product safety postings partitioned to assist in cutting surplus mail traffic? I was just offering a potential solution to the surplus mail traffic. I apologize to you and the group for coming across the wrong way, there are no dumb questions and yes I do encourage all questions related to EMC, Safety and Regulation. Again, please accept my apology. I have a tendency to be very direct, due to the hard lines I draw on compliance issues relating to my company (or so I've been told). I guess it's a character flaw of mine. Mark -Original Message- From: Gary McInturff [mailto:gmcintu...@telect.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 10:46 AM To: 'Mark Schmidt'; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: EMC and product safety split? Mike, I gotta stick up for the question and the discussion. This forum is here to help us perform our various functions. Any question about how to possibly improve that process seems to me to be a completely legitimate question. I happen to be in the camp that would not like to see it split and haven't really felt the need to respond to this point, but that doesn't lessen the appreciation for the question. I think the number of other responses would seem to back that up. Secondly, I don't think that you intended to put a damper on asking questions, but you first line implies that this was a dumb question and shouldn't have been asked. I suspect that the people who most benefit most from these discussions may be the same ones who hate to ask a question that might be dumb in front of such an august many august body, and I think it would be a shame to discourage them from doing so. (Maybe because I so often ask exactly those questions or start so many fires). If the question or discussion is germane to the various job responsibilities of our members I believe it benefits us all either because it reinforces something we may already know or it gives us new insight into a problem. Sorry if I seem a little territorial here but I really don't want to see anyone back away from a legitimate question because they are afraid of simply asking it. Gary -Original Message- From: Mark Schmidt [mailto:mschm...@xrite.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 5:25 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject:RE: EMC and product safety split? One way to cut down on mail traffic would be not having to read this type of discussion thread. I know the reason I subscribed was based on content relating to both EMC and Safety. This forum has been very helpful for establishing quality engineering practices to enhance design, based on the limits and requirements of regulatory standardization at a global level. If some of the information is not relevant to you, I am certain that it would helpful to your colleagues since you share a common vision at the corporate level. Information sharing is a great asset in producing great product. Share the wealth, this is what this forum is all about anyway. From where I sit all information is welcome. Mark --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
RE: EMC and product safety split?
Gentleman, I think it would not be beneficial to split the two. They should be kept together. I myself am responsible for regulatory on both sides and I find the organization of material as presented not to be a problem. It has been an easy matter to review the messages and determine those that are applicaple for my needs and delete those that are not. Bob Chaplis Genrad. -Original Message- From: John Radomski [SMTP:john_radom...@inter-tel.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 9:56 AM To: 'emc-p...@ieee.org' Subject: RE: EMC and product safety split? Keep them together. John Radomski Compliance Engineer Inter-Tel Integrated Systems --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
RE: EMC and product safety split?
Mike, I gotta stick up for the question and the discussion. This forum is here to help us perform our various functions. Any question about how to possibly improve that process seems to me to be a completely legitimate question. I happen to be in the camp that would not like to see it split and haven't really felt the need to respond to this point, but that doesn't lessen the appreciation for the question. I think the number of other responses would seem to back that up. Secondly, I don't think that you intended to put a damper on asking questions, but you first line implies that this was a dumb question and shouldn't have been asked. I suspect that the people who most benefit most from these discussions may be the same ones who hate to ask a question that might be dumb in front of such an august many august body, and I think it would be a shame to discourage them from doing so. (Maybe because I so often ask exactly those questions or start so many fires). If the question or discussion is germane to the various job responsibilities of our members I believe it benefits us all either because it reinforces something we may already know or it gives us new insight into a problem. Sorry if I seem a little territorial here but I really don't want to see anyone back away from a legitimate question because they are afraid of simply asking it. Gary -Original Message- From: Mark Schmidt [mailto:mschm...@xrite.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 5:25 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject:RE: EMC and product safety split? One way to cut down on mail traffic would be not having to read this type of discussion thread. I know the reason I subscribed was based on content relating to both EMC and Safety. This forum has been very helpful for establishing quality engineering practices to enhance design, based on the limits and requirements of regulatory standardization at a global level. If some of the information is not relevant to you, I am certain that it would helpful to your colleagues since you share a common vision at the corporate level. Information sharing is a great asset in producing great product. Share the wealth, this is what this forum is all about anyway. From where I sit all information is welcome. Mark --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
RE: EMC and product safety split?
I will offer a deal. No more humerous postings, if there are no more EMC and product safety split? postings. Neither has to do with EMC or safety. -- Forwarded by George Alspaugh/Lex/Lexmark on 03/15/2000 10:32 AM --- mmatejic%foxboro@interlock.lexmark.com on 03/15/2000 09:59:04 AM Please respond to mmatejic%foxboro@interlock.lexmark.com To: emc-pstc%ieee@interlock.lexmark.com cc:(bcc: George Alspaugh/Lex/Lexmark) Subject: RE: EMC and product safety split? I don't think we should split EMC and Safety distribution lists. We could refrain from posting humorous and similar messages unrelated to EMC and Safety. Mirko --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
RE: EMC and product safety split?
I don't think we should split EMC and Safety distribution lists. We could refrain from posting humorous and similar messages unrelated to EMC and Safety. Mirko --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
RE: EMC and product safety split?
Keep them together. John Radomski Compliance Engineer Inter-Tel Integrated Systems --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
Re[2]: EMC and product safety split?
I do not think they should be split. Many Compliance / Approval Engineers in the industry today are not solely responsible for either Safety, EMC or Telecomm approvals but are responsible for all 3 (or is it just me!). In any case Safety and EMC issues in certain areas do overlap whether we like it or not. So why have the split in the group? Regards Tony Reynolds Compliance Engineering Pitney Bowes Ltd. Harlow, Essex, UK. __ Reply Separator _ Subject: RE: EMC and product safety split? Author: Richard A. Schumacher schum...@valencia.rsn.hp.com at smtpgwy List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date:14/03/00 14:57 I vote for splitting them. EMC and safety are different subjects. regards, Richard Schumacher Hewlett Packard Company --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
RE: EMC and product safety split?
One way to cut down on mail traffic would be not having to read this type of discussion thread. I know the reason I subscribed was based on content relating to both EMC and Safety. This forum has been very helpful for establishing quality engineering practices to enhance design, based on the limits and requirements of regulatory standardization at a global level. If some of the information is not relevant to you, I am certain that it would helpful to your colleagues since you share a common vision at the corporate level. Information sharing is a great asset in producing great product. Share the wealth, this is what this forum is all about anyway. From where I sit all information is welcome. Mark --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
EMC and product safety split?
We go for No Split. Usually the subject (EMC / Safety) is defined in the subject field in a precise/comprehensible way. Easy to cut without open it . Best regards Amund Westin Det Norske Veritas * amund.wes...@dnv.com I fully agree! Canio Dichirico European Southern Observatory Technical Division - Electronic Systems Department Karl-Schwarzschild-Str. 2 D-85748 Garching bei München Tel. +49-89-3200 6500 Fax +49-89-320 23 62 email: cdich...@eso.org www.eso.org
RE: EMC and product safety split?
We go for No Split. Usually the subject (EMC / Safety) is defined in the subject field in a precise/comprehensible way. Easy to cut without open it . Best regards Amund Westin Det Norske Veritas * amund.wes...@dnv.com -Original Message- From: John Allen [SMTP:john.al...@rdel.co.uk] Sent: 15. mars 2000 10:07 To:emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: EMC and product safety split? My vote is My Vote is definitely against a split - like many others I have a wide regulatory/standards brief to cover and - for example - EMC safety are not totally different subjects as you generally cannot CE Mark a product for one without the other. John Allen Racal Defence Electronics Ltd Bracknell, UK --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org ** This email has been swept by MAILSweeper at DNV for the presence of computer viruses. ** --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
RE: EMC and product safety split?
My vote is My Vote is definitely against a split - like many others I have a wide regulatory/standards brief to cover and - for example - EMC safety are not totally different subjects as you generally cannot CE Mark a product for one without the other. John Allen Racal Defence Electronics Ltd Bracknell, UK --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
RE: EMC and product safety split?
I dont think we should split Andy Mullan -Original Message- From: Richard A. Schumacher [mailto:schum...@valencia.rsn.hp.com] Sent: 14 March 2000 20:57 To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: EMC and product safety split? I vote for splitting them. EMC and safety are different subjects. regards, Richard Schumacher Hewlett Packard Company --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
RE: EMC and product safety split?
I vote for splitting them. EMC and safety are different subjects. regards, Richard Schumacher Hewlett Packard Company --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
RE: EMC and product safety split?
Here's my 3.9 cents (hey, if gas prices can keep going up...). Like many others in this group(I'm sure), I am involved in EMC AND Safety work and find that the central group thing works like a charm. If it ain't broke !! :-) George -Original Message- From: Robert Johnson [mailto:robe...@ma.ultranet.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2000 10:00 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re: EMC and product safety split? If the group is split, common and peripheral topics would have to be sent to both groups. Those interested in one topic would have less to sort through, but those interested in both would have to filter duplicates. I see no total gain but added administrative burdens. Don't ask for subject codes. Too much trouble making and keeping rules. Then we get into complaint chains about missing codes. It also makes things confusing for newcomers. Just reinforce the message we need clear titles. Bob Johnson --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
Re: EMC and product safety split?
On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 15:34:39 -0800, tgr...@lucent.com wrote: If this is becoming an issue, I would like to recommend that the Subject header in the e-mail be preceded by either EMC: or SAF: followed by the subject.This way, persons not interested in one or the other could easily delete the message without opening it.However, I would not like to see a split;-- there are many engineers that are responsible for both functions and, as mentioned previously, many safety issues could affect EMC, and vice versa. snip Even without EMC and SAF subject tags, we might consider giving clear subject lines in our postings. Email filters can easily scan for words like 'emission', '60950', 'surge immunity', 'RTTE', and 'creepage' for filtering as necessary. My work involves EMC, so I have only a secondary interest in postings concerning safety issues. In spite of this, I haven't found the list server traffic to be high enough for me to warrant filtering. As far as digests go, I tried the SI-LIST digest recently, and realized how much I preferred the 'threaded email' version instead. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
Re: EMC and product safety split?
If the group is split, common and peripheral topics would have to be sent to both groups. Those interested in one topic would have less to sort through, but those interested in both would have to filter duplicates. I see no total gain but added administrative burdens. Don't ask for subject codes. Too much trouble making and keeping rules. Then we get into complaint chains about missing codes. It also makes things confusing for newcomers. Just reinforce the message we need clear titles. Bob Johnson --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
RE: EMC and product safety split?
Hello All, I feel that I need to add my comments, just in case this thing becomes a voting matter by makeup of response. I do not want to see a forum split. I know it can be frustrating at times having to go through the numerous emails, but I have learned to filter out what I believe is not useful from what I believe is useful. It is well worth it as I have found it very useful just following the issues or reading the comments and questions from colleagues from around the world and at home (here in the USA). It is also very enlightening to have a perspective on what the regulatory, emc, safety perception is in other parts of the world. Furthermore, at my company I happen to be responsible for telecom, emc, safety, NEBS, FDA. (need I go on?). As one responsible for all the regulatory issues (existing and yet to come) at my company, I benefit greatly from the convenience of emc and safety issues at a single location. I am sure others do too. Note that there is also the TREG forum (which I subscribe to). I say two forums is enough. On another thought, I get to know people from the forum (safety, telco, emc), if not in person, at least by name. Some of these names, it is as if I know these people in person. Occasionally, I get to meet forum members at seminars, conventions, etc. at locations all over the world and we talk like old friends. I say, lets not tamper with a good thing. Keep the forum as it is. Best regards, Bandele Jetstream Communications, Inc. badep...@jetstream.com -Original Message- From: owner-emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Rich Nute Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2000 12:15 PM To: Product Safety Technical Committee Subject: Re: EMC and product safety split? Regarding a possible EMC and product safety split... I want to thank each of your for your contributions to this topic. As with our technical discussions, your comments are of high quality and are highly worthwhile and thought-provoking. Each of your technical contributions make this forum what it is. The forum is not moderated, and the technical discussions are what they are because of the individual contributions. My personalthanks to you for your contributions. This forum was founded for the purpose of discussions regarding product safety. Because the PSTC is a part of the IEEE EMC Society, a condition for the listserver operation was that it include EMC discussions. More recently, we seem to discuss all sorts of regulatory issues, not just safety and EMC. Clearly, our subscribers have a need to bring these topics to a worldwide forum. You have presented valid pros and cons for separate safety and EMC lists. From a practical point of view, we would need at least three people (volunteers) to set up and operate an EMC- only list as well as authorization from the EMC Society. We would need one volunteer to take on the leadership function, and two volunteers to take on the day-to-day administrative functions. Personally, I think we have a good, effective operation today. Splitting the operation will reduce the range of discussion, especially in the overlapping safety-EMC areas and in the non- safety and non-EMC regulatory areas. So, until someone steps up with answers to these service problems and can also manage a new EMC listserver, our listserver will continue as it is. Thank you for bringing up this discussion and for your views on the listserver. This discussion has helped those of us who operate the listserver to better understand our subscribers needs and helps us in keeping a useful service to you. Best regards, Richard Nute PSTC listserver administrator --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
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Ditto, robertm...@aol.com -Original Message- From: Davis, Mike mike_da...@adc.com To: 'cdup...@cs.com' cdup...@cs.com; rl...@tectrol.com rl...@tectrol.com; emc-p...@ieee.org emc-p...@ieee.org List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: Monday, March 13, 2000 8:38 AM Subject: RE: EMC and product safety split? I concur with the comments from K. Richardson, Chris Dupres, Kaz Gawrzyjal, and Tania. Let's keep EMC-PSTC As Is for now. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
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I would like the list to stay as is. Even though I deal with medical equipment I find the discussions related to ITE also interesting and sometimes applicable to medical. I'm sure that for some of you your employer is of a small caliber like mine as compared to the big guns, so you wear many hats like myself. I deal with safety, EMC, regulatory, quality and so on. The broader the forum the better it is for me. This forum has been invaluable in my everyday functions. Lets keep it the way it is! I'm still in awe at the broad knowledge base that resides within this group - lets keep the open discussions going! Thx -Original Message- From: rehel...@mmm.com [mailto:rehel...@mmm.com] Sent: Monday, March 13, 2000 7:21 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: EMC and product safety split? I would NOT like to see a split as well. == --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
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I concur with the comments from K. Richardson, Chris Dupres, Kaz Gawrzyjal, and Tania. I also have no problems with receiving the EMC-PSTC (ElectroMagnetic Compatbility - Product Safety Technical Committee) discussion topics because I am responsible to both EMC and Safety. One time I had returned to the office, after being away for several days, and found over 200 messages. What did I do? I filtered what I needed from what I wanted to scrap. Then I quickly read through what I needed and either archived or deleted discussions. Done. The EMC-PSTC has been a convenient tool for getting a feel of issues from the real world of EMC and Safety from one location by a single subscription. And for those of you who also have EMC-Safety responsibilities or interests, either solely or combined, you to will benefit from convenient EMC-PSTC forums contents from a single location. The following may not be a very good analogy but, this split reminds me of reading the newspaper. Could you imagine subscribing to the DAILY CHRONICLE. Which would you prefer? A subscription to a newspaper with a National, Local, Sports, Business, Entertainment, and Classified sections, etc, or, a newspaper that only contains one section, and any other sections of interest you would get from a multitude of other newspapers? Let's keep EMC-PSTC As Is for now. -Original Message- From: cdup...@cs.com [mailto:cdup...@cs.com] Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2000 3:19 AM To: rl...@tectrol.com; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re: EMC and product safety split? Hi Rob. You wrote: Is there any possibility of getting the EMC and product safety postings partitioned ~ to assist in cutting surplus mail traffic? The name of the List is EMC-PSTC, (ElectroMagnetic Compatbility - Product Safety Technical Committee) i.e. it' covers all the material required for getting equipment documented for compliance to current legislation, in my case European rules. For that reason I find the mix both very useful and convenient. I already have far too many folders, and if the messages were seperated into two subjects I would still need to merge them into one 'Compliance' folder. I've been on this list for four or five years now, and look on it as a learned source of all things 'Compliance', rather than the actual minutae of Safety and EMC protection. The list is as much to do with the bureacracy of Compliance, the UL, NEC, BS, DIN, standards, rules, regulations, laws etc., as much as with the actual Engineering of compliant performance, filters, materials, fuses and so on. I don't need to be told how to screen, filter, fuse, cover, insulate. Those are basic Engineering matters. I do, however, need to know what I should concentrate on, what limits to work to, when I should do it, and what paperwork I will need. I would find the splitting up of the list would deviate from the original purpose of the list, and become less informative and useful. Indeed it's the width of the list that makes it much more valuable. I delete an awful lot of EMC-PSTC mail, it takes just seconds to ascetain whether to keep or chuck, but I still get gems in both Safety and EMC matters and I do check everything that comes from the list. Just my twopence worth... Chris Dupres Surrey, UK. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
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I would NOT like to see a split as well. == --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
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Hi Michael, I am also interested in EMC design issues, as an EMC Engineer following my company's products (printers) from crib to grave. Can you address me to the EMC design or SI forum that, I understand, you are in ? Thanks a lot in advance. P.S. One comment over the EMC-safety split: I agree with many in this forum that it's good as it is now, even if I work on EMC only. That's because (1) it's always good to get a wider perspective, plus (2) the two topics - as already mentioned - can overlap and (3) because of the last point in some cases I may be interested in keeping some posts with a safety subject. Paolo Roncone Compuprint s.p.a. Italy Michael Vrbanac vrban...@swbell.net on 12/03/2000 05.50.08 Please respond to Michael Vrbanac vrban...@swbell.net To: Robert Legg rl...@tectrol.com, IEEE EMC-PSTC Forum emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org cc: (bcc: Paolo Roncone/IT/BULL) Subject: Re: EMC and product safety split? All, After reading several responses on this, I'll throw my two cents in Since my main interests are in high performance physical system design and integration, EMC and signal integrity design (among others) are foremost in my interests, so design issues are of primary importance to me and regulatory details of secondary importance. So the following opinion is offered under these considerations. I have valued the forum as it is and how it has progressed in the several years I have been on it. The regulatory content has been excellent. I have, in the recent past however, noted the lower incidence of posts dealing with specific design issues. This is not a bad thing but being also a member of the SI-Forum, I have noticed most of the technical EMC design posts migrating over there in the last year or two. While it is granted that some EMC design issues can resolved by attention to signal integrity, it is wondered why it is felt that they must post EMC questions on a signaling forum. Is it because this forum is now dealing with primarily regulatory details rather than design details or migrating that way? I really don't have an answer for that but it bears some thought and may be the underlying basis for the question that Robert has posed to us. In an attempt to answer to his question, I wonder if it lies in what we want the forum to address and what we decide to emphasize. If we can't address it all here, perhaps another forum is in order. The only downside for me to that is that I don't need another forum to inundate me with email. This one and the other I mentioned is quite enough as it is. So that's my thought for the day enjoy! Michael E. Vrbanac --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
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I think it is great the way it is. I am interested and involved with all regulatory issues. Pryor McGinnis c...@prodigy.net - Original Message - From: Rich Nute ri...@sdd.hp.com To: Product Safety Technical Committee emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2000 3:15 PM Subject: Re: EMC and product safety split? Regarding a possible EMC and product safety split... I want to thank each of your for your contributions to this topic. As with our technical discussions, your comments are of high quality and are highly worthwhile and thought-provoking. Each of your technical contributions make this forum what it is. The forum is not moderated, and the technical discussions are what they are because of the individual contributions. My personalthanks to you for your contributions. This forum was founded for the purpose of discussions regarding product safety. Because the PSTC is a part of the IEEE EMC Society, a condition for the listserver operation was that it include EMC discussions. More recently, we seem to discuss all sorts of regulatory issues, not just safety and EMC. Clearly, our subscribers have a need to bring these topics to a worldwide forum. You have presented valid pros and cons for separate safety and EMC lists. From a practical point of view, we would need at least three people (volunteers) to set up and operate an EMC- only list as well as authorization from the EMC Society. We would need one volunteer to take on the leadership function, and two volunteers to take on the day-to-day administrative functions. Personally, I think we have a good, effective operation today. Splitting the operation will reduce the range of discussion, especially in the overlapping safety-EMC areas and in the non- safety and non-EMC regulatory areas. So, until someone steps up with answers to these service problems and can also manage a new EMC listserver, our listserver will continue as it is. Thank you for bringing up this discussion and for your views on the listserver. This discussion has helped those of us who operate the listserver to better understand our subscribers needs and helps us in keeping a useful service to you. Best regards, Richard Nute PSTC listserver administrator --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
Re: EMC and product safety split?
Regarding a possible EMC and product safety split... I want to thank each of your for your contributions to this topic. As with our technical discussions, your comments are of high quality and are highly worthwhile and thought-provoking. Each of your technical contributions make this forum what it is. The forum is not moderated, and the technical discussions are what they are because of the individual contributions. My personalthanks to you for your contributions. This forum was founded for the purpose of discussions regarding product safety. Because the PSTC is a part of the IEEE EMC Society, a condition for the listserver operation was that it include EMC discussions. More recently, we seem to discuss all sorts of regulatory issues, not just safety and EMC. Clearly, our subscribers have a need to bring these topics to a worldwide forum. You have presented valid pros and cons for separate safety and EMC lists. From a practical point of view, we would need at least three people (volunteers) to set up and operate an EMC- only list as well as authorization from the EMC Society. We would need one volunteer to take on the leadership function, and two volunteers to take on the day-to-day administrative functions. Personally, I think we have a good, effective operation today. Splitting the operation will reduce the range of discussion, especially in the overlapping safety-EMC areas and in the non- safety and non-EMC regulatory areas. So, until someone steps up with answers to these service problems and can also manage a new EMC listserver, our listserver will continue as it is. Thank you for bringing up this discussion and for your views on the listserver. This discussion has helped those of us who operate the listserver to better understand our subscribers needs and helps us in keeping a useful service to you. Best regards, Richard Nute PSTC listserver administrator --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
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All, After reading several responses on this, I'll throw my two cents in Since my main interests are in high performance physical system design and integration, EMC and signal integrity design (among others) are foremost in my interests, so design issues are of primary importance to me and regulatory details of secondary importance. So the following opinion is offered under these considerations. I have valued the forum as it is and how it has progressed in the several years I have been on it. The regulatory content has been excellent. I have, in the recent past however, noted the lower incidence of posts dealing with specific design issues. This is not a bad thing but being also a member of the SI-Forum, I have noticed most of the technical EMC design posts migrating over there in the last year or two. While it is granted that some EMC design issues can resolved by attention to signal integrity, it is wondered why it is felt that they must post EMC questions on a signaling forum. Is it because this forum is now dealing with primarily regulatory details rather than design details or migrating that way? I really don't have an answer for that but it bears some thought and may be the underlying basis for the question that Robert has posed to us. In an attempt to answer to his question, I wonder if it lies in what we want the forum to address and what we decide to emphasize. If we can't address it all here, perhaps another forum is in order. The only downside for me to that is that I don't need another forum to inundate me with email. This one and the other I mentioned is quite enough as it is. So that's my thought for the day enjoy! Michael E. Vrbanac Robert Legg wrote: Is there any possibility of getting the EMC and product safety postings partitioned ~ to assist in cutting surplus mail traffic? Rob Legg rl...@tectrol.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
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I also do not agree splitting this group into EMC and Safety is a good thing. I agree with comments from Chris Dupres and others that topical discussion in this group is wider than just EMC and Safety. I would hope that it remains so. Between this group and the TREG group as far as I am concerned all compliance type issues are covered and it would be a real shame to: a) fragment the group; and b) then have 2 groups instead of one to deal with; plus c) consequently have the topical areas for discussion reduced to that of just EMC and Safety. As others have mentioned, there are many issues which bridge both subject areas and in addition, there are other issues raised in this group which really do not fit in either the EMC or Safety subject areas. I would be really concerned as to where those issues would be addressed if this group was split and therefore restricted to just EMC and Safety. In fact, I believe the very reason this group is viewed to be the pre-eminent newsgroup for all issues compliance, especially EMC and Safety, (other than TREG) is because of the ability to put a question to such a wonderfully broad group of very experienced professionals (design engineers, testing engineers, standards experts, compliance experts and regulatory experts - have I left anybody out?) who are so willing to share their experience, opinions and TIME. One very recognized and very respected group of people to go to for help and you are almost positive of receiving very expert and qualified views concerning your question. The other important issue here is that the people in the group feed on one another (remind others of another point etc they may not have mentioned initially) in terms of a response to a question. This helps to draw out all the little pieces or information relating to a particular question and when all views/responses are compiled together the result is a very comprehensive response. I believe this feeding would be considerably reduced if this group were fragmented. Yes. It may be a little demanding to sift those email from the group which are of interest, particularly for those of us who on average receive anywhere from 30 to 100 emails a day. In my view however, dealing with subject matter that may not fall within your area of interest is a small price to pay for ensuring you do not miss priceless gems of information which do interest you and you may have missed under a more restricted subject scope. My thoughts, for what they are worth within such a multi-talented and helpful group of people. Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited (Technology Standards, Regulations and Compliance) Ph: 02-4329-4070Fax:02-4328-5639 Int'l: +61-2-4329-4070 +61-2-4328-5639 Email: kevin.richard...@ieee.org k...@technologist.com (Alternate Internet) k...@compuserve.com (Compuserve) --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
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I echo Tania's point of view. From a product safety standpoint, I have found several EMC topics of discussion in this forum which were of use since there are at times, impacts to product safety.implement an EMC fix...create a safety concern..besides it's my belief that to broaden one's horizons is always a good thing. Regards, Kaz Gawrzyjal ( gav jay ow) Product Safety Engineer -- Nortel Networks-Wireless Solutions Wireless Development Centre 2924 11 Street NE Calgary, Alberta Canada, T2E 7L7 tel:403-232-4805 (ESN 765) fax:403-232-4813 (ESN 765) e-mail: k...@nortelnetworks.com -Original Message- From: Grant, Tania (Tania) [mailto:tgr...@lucent.com] Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 4:35 PM To: IEEE EMC-PSTC Forum; 'Robert Legg' Subject: RE: EMC and product safety split? If this is becoming an issue, I would like to recommend that the Subject header in the e-mail be preceded by either EMC: or SAF: followed by the subject.This way, persons not interested in one or the other could easily delete the message without opening it.However, I would not like to see a split;-- there are many engineers that are responsible for both functions and, as mentioned previously, many safety issues could affect EMC, and vice versa. And, into what category would you place requests for ALL regulatory requirements for different countries? Do we have to send such to three different addresses? Tania Grant, tgr...@lucent.com mailto:tgr...@lucent.com Lucent Technologies, Communications Applications Group -- From: Robert Legg [SMTP:rl...@tectrol.com] Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 10:33 AM To: IEEE EMC-PSTC Forum Subject: EMC and product safety split? Is there any possibility of getting the EMC and product safety postings partitioned ~ to assist in cutting surplus mail traffic? Rob Legg rl...@tectrol.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
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Robert Legg wrote: Is there any possibility of getting the EMC and product safety postings partitioned ~ to assist in cutting surplus mail traffic? In my opinion, this would be not good. Several reasons: First - I've been involved with this and other newsgroups for several years. Doug's Law of newsgroups is - No matter how one cuts it, you'll never get all people to post only those posts with which you wish to be involved, associated, or interested. Second - As a compliance person, I have at my disposal with this group lots of resources for both EMC and Safety. For me, having to subscribe to two groups (not sure if that's what you're suggesting) to end up with the same amount of email of this one group isn't viable. - Doug --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
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Hi Rob. You wrote: Is there any possibility of getting the EMC and product safety postings partitioned ~ to assist in cutting surplus mail traffic? The name of the List is EMC-PSTC, (ElectroMagnetic Compatbility - Product Safety Technical Committee) i.e. it' covers all the material required for getting equipment documented for compliance to current legislation, in my case European rules. For that reason I find the mix both very useful and convenient. I already have far too many folders, and if the messages were seperated into two subjects I would still need to merge them into one 'Compliance' folder. I've been on this list for four or five years now, and look on it as a learned source of all things 'Compliance', rather than the actual minutae of Safety and EMC protection. The list is as much to do with the bureacracy of Compliance, the UL, NEC, BS, DIN, standards, rules, regulations, laws etc., as much as with the actual Engineering of compliant performance, filters, materials, fuses and so on. I don't need to be told how to screen, filter, fuse, cover, insulate. Those are basic Engineering matters. I do, however, need to know what I should concentrate on, what limits to work to, when I should do it, and what paperwork I will need. I would find the splitting up of the list would deviate from the original purpose of the list, and become less informative and useful. Indeed it's the width of the list that makes it much more valuable. I delete an awful lot of EMC-PSTC mail, it takes just seconds to ascetain whether to keep or chuck, but I still get gems in both Safety and EMC matters and I do check everything that comes from the list. Just my twopence worth... Chris Dupres Surrey, UK. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
Re: EMC and product safety split?
In a message dated 3/10/00, Steve Phillips writes: EMC gets a lot more traffic (if appears to me anyway) - and I am more concerned with safety, which leaves me filtering and deleting a lot more messages than I would like to have to - it wouldn't be so bad if EMC and Safety messages were separated - perhaps many people feel the same. My perspective is the same as Steve's. I would prefer to have the two lists separated, because my interest in this list is more area of safety than EMC. I currently subscribe to the treg listserver for telecom issues, and to the emc-pstc listserver for safety issues that relate to telecom. For me, EMC is a distant 3rd in terms of my particular interest level. It would be nice if people had a listserver for each topic, so they could be more selective about the amount of email traffic they sign up for. Of course, current subscribers who are interested in both safety and EMC could simply subscribe to both lists. I think the main issue is that splitting the emc-pstc list may require having two list administrators, which could present a resource problem. Joe Randolph Telecom Design Consultant Randolph Telecom, Inc. 781-721-2848 --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
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Forwarding for Stephen.. Special Note: I modified one of Steve's words so this would make it through the list server Jim Forward Header_ Subject:Re: EMC and product safety split? Author: Stephen Phillips step...@cisco.com List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: 3/10/00 3:02 PM I would echo that, and have thought about this periodically. Personally, I would still s.u.b.s.c.r.i.b.e to both - as I suspect an awful lot of members would. But The ability to filter incoming mail messages to different mailboxes allows me to read different topics individually, later. The problem of course is someone offering up 2x the work of maintaining the lists. EMC gets a lot more traffic (if appears to me anyway) - and I am more concerned with safety, which leaves me filtering and deleting a lot more messages than I would like to have to - it wouldn't be so bad if EMC and Safety messages were separated - perhaps many people feel the same. Stephen C. Phillips At 01:33 PM 3/10/00 , Robert Legg wrote: Is there any possibility of getting the EMC and product safety postings partitioned ~ to assist in cutting surplus mail traffic? Rob Legg rl...@tectrol.com --- --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
RE: EMC and product safety split?
A better solution, if possible would be a digest format sent on a daily basis. John Coyle Engineering Manager, Cable Products . Tel: 604-292-9161 fax: 604-292-9010 jco...@norsat.com -Original Message- From: owner-emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Robert Legg Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 10:33 AM To: IEEE EMC-PSTC Forum Subject: EMC and product safety split? Is there any possibility of getting the EMC and product safety postings partitioned ~ to assist in cutting surplus mail traffic? Rob Legg rl...@tectrol.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
Re: EMC and product safety split?
Robert, Not sure that partioning would reduce traffic. Might actually increase it, since many compliance engineers deal with both EMC and safety. In several cases, issues arise where both EMC and safety need to be addressed. Eric Petitpierre Pulsecom Herndon,VA eric.petitpie...@pulse.com __ Reply Separator _ Subject: EMC and product safety split? Author: rl...@tectrol.com (Robert Legg) at smtp List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date:3/10/00 1:33 PM Is there any possibility of getting the EMC and product safety postings partitioned ~ to assist in cutting surplus mail traffic? Rob Legg rl...@tectrol.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
EMC and product safety split?
Is there any possibility of getting the EMC and product safety postings partitioned ~ to assist in cutting surplus mail traffic? Rob Legg rl...@tectrol.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
