RE: NEBS Level 3 Plus
Greeting All, Thank you to those who have responded to my query. This community remains a great value to all of us. Richard == Richard Georgerian Compliance Engineer Carrier Access Corporation 5395 Pearl Parkway Boulder, CO 80301 USA Tele: 303-218-5748 Fax: 303-218-5503 mailto:rgeorger...@carrieraccess.com mailto:rgeorger...@carrieraccess.com * This e-mail transmission, and any documents, files, or previous e-mail messages attached to it may contain information that is confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, or a person responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you must not read this transmission and that any disclosure, copying, printing, distribution, or use of any of the information contained in or attached to this transmission is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please immediately notify the sender by telephone or return e-mail and delete the original transmission and its attachments without reading or saving them in any manner. Thank you. *
RE: NEBS Level 3 Plus
Also for clarification, NEBS Level 3 Plus means all of GR-1089-CORE and all of GR-63-CORE. Also known as NEBS Level 3 Plus other criteria Both terms are borne from SR -3580, although not contained within in it. The confusion arises from the fact that not all the criteria in GR-1089 and GR-63 appear in NEBS Levels 1, 2, and 3 levels of SR-3580. There are several that fall into another category that are basically other miscellaneous criteria. Since each RBOC typically requires evaluations to all the criteria in GR-1089-CORE and GR-63-CORE, not just those in Level 1, 2, and 3, the term NEBS Level 3 Plus was used by people around industry to mean NEBS Level 3 plus other miscellaneous criteria in SR-3580 that are not contained in levels 1, 2, and 3 or all of GR-1089 and GR-63 But as Dave pointed out be careful. The deviations in test procedures or test labs required by some RBOC's can have a significant influence on whether you comply with a given criteria. So you may be NEBS level 3 Plus with one RBOC and not be NEBS Level 3 Plus with another depending upon how the test was performed or who performed it. Also be aware that some RBOC's and CLEC's accept testing to some of the new ANSI standards that are being developed. For instance the earthquake test was revised in ANSI T1.329-2002 and the Fire test was revised in ANSI T1.319-2002. The materials requirements for fire in GR-63 are from ANSI T1.307 which is up for ballot currently and should be accepted by November. All three of these are base documents for GR-63 earthquake and fire tests. These were not used when GR-63 was revised last April. Since three RBOC's and a couple CLEC's participated in the development and approved these ANSI standards, they tend to let manufacturers use these in place of the outdated GR-63 tests. But make sure you discuss with your customer first as Verizon for instance does not accept the new T1.329 fire standard. There seems to be significant interest to have Telcordia revise GR-63 to address these and other issues, and anyone interested should contact Richard Kluge at Telcordia to express interest that a project be opened to update GR-63 with the newest ANSI documents and fix other issues that labs and manufacturers know exist. Good Luck, Jim Jim Wiese NEBS Project Manager/Senior Compliance Engineer ADTRAN, INC. 901 Explorer Blvd. P.O. Box 14 Huntsville, AL 35814-4000 256-963-8431 256-963-8250 fax jim.wi...@adtran.com -Original Message- From: Dave Lorusso [mailto:d...@lorusso.com] Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 4:19 PM To: Georgerian, Richard; IEEE emc-pstc Subject: RE: NEBS Level 3 Plus Richard, Verizon does not recognize NEBS Level 3 as called out in Telcordia/Bellcore SR-3580. They had input into this document, but later regretted it. What Verizon does recognize is their own checklist at www.verizonnebs.com http://www.verizonnebs.com/ . The confusion comes from the fact that the SR-3580 requirements are scattered throughout Verizon's checklist. At the NEBS 2002 Conference last week, Verizon introduced their latest revision of their checklist. They are trying to incorporate all of the other RBOC's and ATT requirements into this document. I caution everyone to obtain the specific checklists/requirements from each or your potential customers and comply with them. NEBS Plus is mentioned in an article I wrote for Evaluation Engineering What Every Startup Needs to Know About NEBS: http://www.evaluationengineering.com/archive/articles/0502emc.htm http://www.evaluationengineering.com/archive/articles/0502emc.htm The intent was to highlight that just meeting NEBS Level 3 was not enough to get equipment into your customer's central offices. In summary, there is no NEBS Level 3 Plus requirement, there are only customer requirements. Best regards, Dave Lorusso Lorusso Technologies, LLC Your NEBS, Product Safety and EMC Solution http://www.lorusso.com/ www.lorusso.com www.nebs-faq.com http://www.nebs-faq.com/ 512.695.5871 (phone) 512.233.2939 (fax) -Original Message- From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of Georgerian, Richard Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 11:10 AM To: IEEE emc-pstc Subject: NEBS Level 3 Plus Greetings All, Does anyone know the specifics regarding Verizons NEBS Level 3 Plus requirement. I have checked the Verizon web pages, the archives of the emc-pstc, and the word search on the internet, with no luck. Otherwise, I believe this is just another name for the checklist document that Verizon uses and can be downloaded from their website. Thanks in-advance. Richard Georgerian Compliance Engineer Carrier Access Corporation 5395 Pearl Parkway Boulder, CO 80301 USA Tele: 303-218-5748 Fax: 303-218-5503 mailto:rgeorger...@carrieraccess.com mailto:rgeorger...@carrieraccess.com
RE: NEBS Level 3 Plus
Richard, Verizon does not recognize NEBS Level 3 as called out in Telcordia/Bellcore SR-3580. They had input into this document, but later regretted it. What Verizon does recognize is their own checklist at www.verizonnebs.com http://www.verizonnebs.com/ . The confusion comes from the fact that the SR-3580 requirements are scattered throughout Verizon s checklist. At the NEBS 2002 Conference last week, Verizon introduced their latest revision of their checklist. They are trying to incorporate all of the other RBOCs and ATT requirements into this document. I caution everyone to obtain the specific checklists/requirements from each or your potential customers and comply with them. NEBS Plus is mentioned in an article I wrote for Evaluation Engineering What Every Startup Needs to Know About NEBS: http://www.evaluationengineering.com/archive/articles/0502emc.htm The intent was to highlight that just meeting NEBS Level 3 was not enough to get equipment into your customers central offices. In summary, there is no NEBS Level 3 Plus requirement, there are only customer requirements. Best regards, Dave Lorusso Lorusso Technologies, LLC Your NEBS, Product Safety and EMC Solution www.lorusso.com http://www.lorusso.com/ www.nebs-faq.com http://www.nebs-faq.com/ 512.695.5871 (phone) 512.233.2939 (fax) -Original Message- From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of Georgerian, Richard Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 11:10 AM To: IEEE emc-pstc Subject: NEBS Level 3 Plus Greetings All, Does anyone know the specifics regarding Verizons NEBS Level 3 Plus requirement. I have checked the Verizon web pages, the archives of the emc-pstc, and the word search on the internet, with no luck. Otherwise, I believe this is just another name for the checklist document that Verizon uses and can be downloaded from their website. Thanks in-advance. Richard Georgerian Compliance Engineer Carrier Access Corporation 5395 Pearl Parkway Boulder, CO 80301 USA Tele: 303-218-5748 Fax: 303-218-5503 mailto:rgeorger...@carrieraccess.com * This e-mail transmission, and any documents, files, or previous e-mail messages attached to it may contain information that is confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, or a person responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you must not read this transmission and that any disclosure, copying, printing, distribution, or use of any of the information contained in or attached to this transmission is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please immediately notify the sender by telephone or return e-mail and delete the original transmission and its attachments without reading or saving them in any manner. Thank you. *
RE: NEBS Level 3 Plus
About 6-7 years ago when I was getting ready to go through NEBS for the first time, I found it to be confusing and in some cases daunting. At that time, Bellcore (now Telcordia) put on a NEBS seminar with a NEBS rep from each of the operating companies. That seminar proved to be the key that put it all together for me and made the job easier. Further, the operating companies' representatives made themselves available to answer questions specific to your product. This alone was worth it's wait in gold. And if I had any further questions, I could contact them at their offices. If you can find a NEBS seminar that has reps from the operating companies, I suggest making the investment. I believe there are several choices other than Telcordia for these seminars. Check around. As the testing is so expensive, you want to do it right the first time. Just my opinion . . . John A. Juhasz GE Interlogix Fiber Options Div. Bohemia, NY Original Message- From: Georgerian, Richard [mailto:rgeorger...@carrieraccess.com] Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 12:10 PM To: IEEE emc-pstc Subject: NEBS Level 3 Plus Greetings All, Does anyone know the specifics regarding Verizons NEBS Level 3 Plus requirement. I have checked the Verizon web pages, the archives of the emc-pstc, and the word search on the internet, with no luck. Otherwise, I believe this is just another name for the checklist document that Verizon uses and can be downloaded from their website. Thanks in-advance. Richard Georgerian Compliance Engineer Carrier Access Corporation 5395 Pearl Parkway Boulder, CO 80301 USA Tele: 303-218-5748 Fax: 303-218-5503 mailto:rgeorger...@carrieraccess.com * This e-mail transmission, and any documents, files, or previous e-mail messages attached to it may contain information that is confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, or a person responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you must not read this transmission and that any disclosure, copying, printing, distribution, or use of any of the information contained in or attached to this transmission is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please immediately notify the sender by telephone or return e-mail and delete the original transmission and its attachments without reading or saving them in any manner. Thank you. *
NEBS Level 3 Plus
Greetings All, Does anyone know the specifics regarding Verizons NEBS Level 3 Plus requirement. I have checked the Verizon web pages, the archives of the emc-pstc, and the word search on the internet, with no luck. Otherwise, I believe this is just another name for the checklist document that Verizon uses and can be downloaded from their website. Thanks in-advance. Richard Georgerian Compliance Engineer Carrier Access Corporation 5395 Pearl Parkway Boulder, CO 80301 USA Tele: 303-218-5748 Fax: 303-218-5503 mailto:rgeorger...@carrieraccess.com * This e-mail transmission, and any documents, files, or previous e-mail messages attached to it may contain information that is confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, or a person responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you must not read this transmission and that any disclosure, copying, printing, distribution, or use of any of the information contained in or attached to this transmission is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please immediately notify the sender by telephone or return e-mail and delete the original transmission and its attachments without reading or saving them in any manner. Thank you. *
