My HP Laserjet 4L is 16 years old, my primary printer, and is only now starting to get a little flaky about feeding paper from the magazine. It still prints finer than I can see!
Next week, I expect to see my MB 420SEL trip over the 300k mile mark; still running smooth and doesn’t burn any oil t all. Maybe next year will be time for a new paint job. Still, not all classic designs are so lucky; my Commodore PET is dead. Ed Price ed.pr...@cubic.com <blocked::mailto:ed.pr...@cubic.com> WB6WSN NARTE Certified EMC Engineer Electromagnetic Compatibility Lab Cubic Defense Applications San Diego, CA USA 858-505-2780 Military & Avionics EMC Is Our Specialty From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Haynes, Tim (SELEX GALILEO, UK) Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 4:26 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: [PSES] (EMC) Performance Changing With Age Of Product Hi Folks, On the other hand, I have had 1 car out of 7 needing in-warranty repair No mobile phones going wrong [about 9 so far] (although my wife has had one fail) No notebooks fail, although one laptop from 5 failed (and the company went bust) All my coffee makers have lasted over a year and All my printers (4) have lasted for 3+ years Are the products sold in NL of worse quality than in the UK? So, to expand the question a little does EMC engineers performance change with age? For the better or for the worse? :-) Regards Tim ************************ Tim Haynes Electromagnetic Engineering Specialist SELEX Galileo, A Finmeccanica Company 300 Capability Green Luton LU1 3PG (Phone () +44 (0) 1582 886239 (Mob )) +44 (0) 7540629920 (Fax 7)+44 (0)1582 795863 (Email *) tim.hay...@selexgalileo.com www.selexgalileo.com P Please consider the environment before printing this email. There are 10 types of people in the world-those who understand binary and those who don't. J. Paxman ________________________________ From: ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen [mailto:g.grem...@cetest.nl] Sent: 21 June 2010 11:20 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] (EMC) Performance Changing With Age Of Product *** WARNING *** This message has originated outside your organisation, either from an external partner or the Global Internet. Keep this in mind if you answer this message. If I use your classification, and classify products according to the results I have to conclude that most consumer products fall into category 5. Many products did not even make it to the end of guarantee without return to store…a few (recent) examples: 1. Every car I had 2. Most Nokia phones I bought 3. All the notebooks I purchased (HP-ACER-COMPAQ) 4. Coffeemaker (Krups) 5. HP laser printers (most cartridge related / 1x software) And that is just the top of the iceberg ;<( I think that for consumer products you will have to make more classes between 4 and 5 to distinguish the level of rubbish they sell! Regards, Ing. Gert Gremmen g.grem...@cetest.nl www.cetest.nl Kiotoweg 363 3047 BG Rotterdam T 31(0)104152426 F 31(0)104154953 Before printing, think about the environment. Van: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] Namens Dward Verzonden: Saturday, June 19, 2010 11:55 PM Aan: k...@earthlink.net; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Onderwerp: RE: [PSES] EMC Performance Changing With Age Of Product Seems to be the old scenario of: 1 – know exactly what your device does, test it till it breaks, find out just what it can do and can’t do – expensive – but you end up with a superior product far above the average – a rock solid device. 2 – assume your product is OK, but test just a little more than the standards –costly but less expensive than 1, and you wind up with a product that generally works in most instances and has not too bad of a return rate – a pretty good device. 3 – do only exactly what the standard says, no more no less - inexpensive compared to 1 and 2 but prone to wander and works most of the time as long as no extremes or no hard use exists – a mid end ‘Best Buy’ product 4 – only do the absolute minimum in the standard and if you can get away with it, lean towards no test rather than test – a mediocre at best product with nothing special, super deal at the stores (probably because the store just want to get rid of them) 5 – find some way to get out of reasonable testing, possibly some fudge factoring involved in the way testing is explained – el cheapo dope deal almost guaranteed to break the second warranties run out. 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