Re: Cost associated with Australian C-tick
Hello all, Eric's comments below triggered an one thing I forgot to mention in my earlier mail. A slight correction to comments/clarification offered by Eric Lifsey: The Australian EMC Framework (legislation/regulation) does not cover a product which is has not been sold in Australia. If an Australia individual/organisation purchases a product from an overseas supplier FOR THEIR OWN USE (ie the product is not imported into Australia for sale or as the result of a order placed with an Australian individual or entity), there is no requirement to comply with the EMC Framework. This is to say, the equipment should still comply with the technical requirements of the applicable EMC standard but there is no need to sign a DoC or prepare a Compliance Folder for that product as the regulations hinge on importation for sale. This is a tricky area and I would advise caution before rushing off along this path before checking it out thoroughly first. Eric is correct in that with out a supply chain, the ACA investigating the equipment would only be triggered by a complaint regarding the product or by someone asking why the product does not carry theC-tick etc. At which time the user would be expected to pay testing costs to verify the compliance with the appropriate standard etc. if required by the ACA or not use/trash the product. Best regards, Kevin Richard et al, I believe what Richard really needs to know is the cost of arranging to be represented by someone in Australia. The regulatory aspect is certainly a bargain (by not being charged for registering with the ACA) but contracted representation is usually a recurring cost. Perhaps an Australian distributor or some other party can perform the task at a reasonable cost, if they are willing to assume the legal liability. I checked your corporate web page and it doesn't mention any representatives or distributors outside the US and EU. In our case, we had already established a sales office in Australia. So we had the sales manager apply for the C-Tick Supplier Code and obtain the nicely printed literature supplied by the (at the time) SMA. We also reduced the DoC overhead by creating one massive DoC, listing all products, the ANZ standards, defaulting to Class A for all, which then states that the EU DoC is an informative annex to the declaration. Our EU DoCs are supplied with each product, while the Framework DoC is only kept at the Australia office. Our compliance folders (test data) are available at the office via a database served from here in Texas; something we had already implemented to support CE marking. A comment regarding the issue of accreditation, I'll just quote the material at hand (Taken from page 19, Section 6.1 General, of the Electromagnetic Compatibility Framework, Information for Suppliers.): In compiling test data as part of the compliance folder it is recommended that suppliers use results from a NATA accredited laboratory, or MOU partner laboratory. Test data from other sources carry a higher risk in relation to claims for product conformity. So accreditation is recommended but certainly not mandatory. We don't have it and we've been audited once already without a problem. Another more interesting point to consider. If I recall correctly, when a product is not handled/retailed in Australia, but only made available from outside Australia directly by mail/catalog/web to the end user, then the regulations shift the compliance burden to the user. I believe the implication is that this is not an Australia Customs enforced scheme, but one monitored at the point of sale and supply chain. Having no local supplier, nor supply chain, then ACA interest would be triggered by a compliant lodged against the product. I would expect that a series of complaints would certainly lead to the ACA having Customs stop shipments - if possible. Comments? Regards, Eric Lifsey Compliance Engineer/Manager National Instruments Please respond to rehel...@mmm.com To: Barry Esmore bar...@melbpc.org.au cc: richard_c...@irisinc.scitex.com, emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org (bcc: Eric Lifsey/AUS/NIC) Subject: Re: Cost associated with Australian C-tick What Barry said is true except the test facility that did the testing must have an accreditation recognized by Australia.in the U.S., this is either A2LA or NVLAP. Barry Esmore bar...@melbpc.org.au on 04/08/99 12:53:19 AM Please respond to Barry Esmore bar...@melbpc.org.au To: Richard Cass richard_c...@irisinc.scitex.com EMC-PSTC (E-mail) emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org cc:(bcc: Robert E. Heller/US-Corporate/3M/US) Subject: Re: Cost associated with Australian C-tick Hello Richard, Answers to your questions: - The APPROXIMATE cost to register with the ACA (no longer SMA) is $zero. - If you have reports to EN55022 it is only a paper work exercise. - You will need
Re: Cost associated with Australian C-tick
A recognised lab is required for Telecommunications (A-Tick) EMC testing, but not usually for the C-Tick. Barry Esmore AUS-TICK (Australian Approval Consultants) Phone: + 61 3 9886 1345 Fax:+ 61 3 9884 7272 Email: bar...@melbpc.org.au -- From: rehel...@mmm.com To: Barry Esmore bar...@melbpc.org.au Cc: richard_c...@irisinc.scitex.com; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Re: Cost associated with Australian C-tick Date: Thursday, 8 April 1999 23:48 What Barry said is true except the test facility that did the testing must have an accreditation recognized by Australia.in the U.S., this is either A2LA or NVLAP. === === Barry Esmore bar...@melbpc.org.au on 04/08/99 12:53:19 AM Please respond to Barry Esmore bar...@melbpc.org.au To: Richard Cass richard_c...@irisinc.scitex.com EMC-PSTC (E-mail) emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org cc:(bcc: Robert E. Heller/US-Corporate/3M/US) Subject: Re: Cost associated with Australian C-tick Hello Richard, Answers to your questions: - The APPROXIMATE cost to register with the ACA (no longer SMA) is $zero. - If you have reports to EN55022 it is only a paper work exercise. - You will need an Australian company to sign the DOC and hold the compliance folder. Hope this helps. Regards Barry Esmore AUS-TICK (Australian Approval Consultants) Phone:+ 61 3 9886 1345 Fax: + 61 3 9884 7272 Email:bar...@melbpc.org.au -- From: Richard Cass richard_c...@irisinc.scitex.com To: EMC-PSTC (E-mail) emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Cost associated with Australian C-tick Date: Thursday, 8 April 1999 6:48 Can anyone tell me the APPROXIMATE cost (just need the right number of zeros) if any, in US Dollars, for obtaining the C-Tick mark under the auspices of their EMC Framework? This would include one time or recurring costs. This would be for ITE equipment. The relevant Australian emissions standard is apparently AS/NZS 3548. At the present time all of our products are verified for European Union conformity to the fully equivalent EN55022:1994+A1:1995+A2:1997. So, in theory, it should just be a paper work exercise. I am just trying to find out what the costs are associated with that exercise. Also, can we as a US based manufacturer submit our application directly to SMA or do we need an intermediary or an in country representative? If anyone in the Australian SMA is on this distribution, I'd be ecstatic to hear from you TIA. Regards, Richard Cass Iris Graphics, Inc. Bedford MA 01730 USA 781 2760-5424 - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Re: Cost associated with Australian C-tick
Richard et al, I believe what Richard really needs to know is the cost of arranging to be represented by someone in Australia. The regulatory aspect is certainly a bargain (by not being charged for registering with the ACA) but contracted representation is usually a recurring cost. Perhaps an Australian distributor or some other party can perform the task at a reasonable cost, if they are willing to assume the legal liability. I checked your corporate web page and it doesn't mention any representatives or distributors outside the US and EU. In our case, we had already established a sales office in Australia. So we had the sales manager apply for the C-Tick Supplier Code and obtain the nicely printed literature supplied by the (at the time) SMA. We also reduced the DoC overhead by creating one massive DoC, listing all products, the ANZ standards, defaulting to Class A for all, which then states that the EU DoC is an informative annex to the declaration. Our EU DoCs are supplied with each product, while the Framework DoC is only kept at the Australia office. Our compliance folders (test data) are available at the office via a database served from here in Texas; something we had already implemented to support CE marking. A comment regarding the issue of accreditation, I'll just quote the material at hand (Taken from page 19, Section 6.1 General, of the Electromagnetic Compatibility Framework, Information for Suppliers.): In compiling test data as part of the compliance folder it is recommended that suppliers use results from a NATA accredited laboratory, or MOU partner laboratory. Test data from other sources carry a higher risk in relation to claims for product conformity. So accreditation is recommended but certainly not mandatory. We don't have it and we've been audited once already without a problem. Another more interesting point to consider. If I recall correctly, when a product is not handled/retailed in Australia, but only made available from outside Australia directly by mail/catalog/web to the end user, then the regulations shift the compliance burden to the user. I believe the implication is that this is not an Australia Customs enforced scheme, but one monitored at the point of sale and supply chain. Having no local supplier, nor supply chain, then ACA interest would be triggered by a compliant lodged against the product. I would expect that a series of complaints would certainly lead to the ACA having Customs stop shipments - if possible. Comments? Regards, Eric Lifsey Compliance Engineer/Manager National Instruments Please respond to rehel...@mmm.com To: Barry Esmore bar...@melbpc.org.au cc: richard_c...@irisinc.scitex.com, emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org (bcc: Eric Lifsey/AUS/NIC) Subject: Re: Cost associated with Australian C-tick What Barry said is true except the test facility that did the testing must have an accreditation recognized by Australia.in the U.S., this is either A2LA or NVLAP. Barry Esmore bar...@melbpc.org.au on 04/08/99 12:53:19 AM Please respond to Barry Esmore bar...@melbpc.org.au To: Richard Cass richard_c...@irisinc.scitex.com EMC-PSTC (E-mail) emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org cc:(bcc: Robert E. Heller/US-Corporate/3M/US) Subject: Re: Cost associated with Australian C-tick Hello Richard, Answers to your questions: - The APPROXIMATE cost to register with the ACA (no longer SMA) is $zero. - If you have reports to EN55022 it is only a paper work exercise. - You will need an Australian company to sign the DOC and hold the compliance folder. Hope this helps. Regards Barry Esmore AUS-TICK (Australian Approval Consultants) Phone:+ 61 3 9886 1345 Fax: + 61 3 9884 7272 Email:bar...@melbpc.org.au -- From: Richard Cass richard_c...@irisinc.scitex.com To: EMC-PSTC (E-mail) emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Cost associated with Australian C-tick Date: Thursday, 8 April 1999 6:48 Can anyone tell me the APPROXIMATE cost (just need the right number of zeros) if any, in US Dollars, for obtaining the C-Tick mark under the auspices of their EMC Framework? This would include one time or recurring costs. This would be for ITE equipment. The relevant Australian emissions standard is apparently AS/NZS 3548. At the present time all of our products are verified for European Union conformity to the fully equivalent EN55022:1994+A1:1995+A2:1997. So, in theory, it should just be a paper work exercise. I am just trying to find out what the costs are associated with that exercise. Also, can we as a US based manufacturer submit our application directly to SMA or do we need an intermediary or an in country representative? If anyone in the Australian SMA is on this distribution, I'd be ecstatic to hear from you TIA. Regards, Richard Cass Iris Graphics, Inc. Bedford MA 01730 USA 781 2760-5424 - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your
RE: Cost associated with Australian C-tick
I would like to add an item to this. If the US test house that you used for CE EMC testing is accredited by the ACA (as the test house I use is), they can also issue an 'Australian Test House' Certificate based on the EN55022 testing, attesting to the fact that the product also meets AS/NZS 3548. The ACA doesn't need to see the test report in the compliance folder provided an Australian Test House certificate is in there (they prefer the certificate, but I send both to my Australian based agent anyway). John A. Juhasz Product Qualification Compliance Engr. Fiber Options, Inc. 80 Orville Dr. Suite 102 Bohemia, NY 11716 USA Tel: 516-567-8320 ext. 24 Fax: 516-567-8322 -Original Message- From: rehel...@mmm.com [mailto:rehel...@mmm.com] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 1999 9:48 AM To: Barry Esmore Cc: richard_c...@irisinc.scitex.com; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Re: Cost associated with Australian C-tick What Barry said is true except the test facility that did the testing must have an accreditation recognized by Australia.in the U.S., this is either A2LA or NVLAP. === === Barry Esmore bar...@melbpc.org.au on 04/08/99 12:53:19 AM Please respond to Barry Esmore bar...@melbpc.org.au To: Richard Cass richard_c...@irisinc.scitex.com EMC-PSTC (E-mail) emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org cc:(bcc: Robert E. Heller/US-Corporate/3M/US) Subject: Re: Cost associated with Australian C-tick Hello Richard, Answers to your questions: - The APPROXIMATE cost to register with the ACA (no longer SMA) is $zero. - If you have reports to EN55022 it is only a paper work exercise. - You will need an Australian company to sign the DOC and hold the compliance folder. Hope this helps. Regards Barry Esmore AUS-TICK (Australian Approval Consultants) Phone:+ 61 3 9886 1345 Fax: + 61 3 9884 7272 Email:bar...@melbpc.org.au -- From: Richard Cass richard_c...@irisinc.scitex.com To: EMC-PSTC (E-mail) emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Cost associated with Australian C-tick Date: Thursday, 8 April 1999 6:48 Can anyone tell me the APPROXIMATE cost (just need the right number of zeros) if any, in US Dollars, for obtaining the C-Tick mark under the auspices of their EMC Framework? This would include one time or recurring costs. This would be for ITE equipment. The relevant Australian emissions standard is apparently AS/NZS 3548. At the present time all of our products are verified for European Union conformity to the fully equivalent EN55022:1994+A1:1995+A2:1997. So, in theory, it should just be a paper work exercise. I am just trying to find out what the costs are associated with that exercise. Also, can we as a US based manufacturer submit our application directly to SMA or do we need an intermediary or an in country representative? If anyone in the Australian SMA is on this distribution, I'd be ecstatic to hear from you TIA. Regards, Richard Cass Iris Graphics, Inc. Bedford MA 01730 USA 781 2760-5424 - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Re: Cost associated with Australian C-tick
What Barry said is true except the test facility that did the testing must have an accreditation recognized by Australia.in the U.S., this is either A2LA or NVLAP. === === Barry Esmore bar...@melbpc.org.au on 04/08/99 12:53:19 AM Please respond to Barry Esmore bar...@melbpc.org.au To: Richard Cass richard_c...@irisinc.scitex.com EMC-PSTC (E-mail) emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org cc:(bcc: Robert E. Heller/US-Corporate/3M/US) Subject: Re: Cost associated with Australian C-tick Hello Richard, Answers to your questions: - The APPROXIMATE cost to register with the ACA (no longer SMA) is $zero. - If you have reports to EN55022 it is only a paper work exercise. - You will need an Australian company to sign the DOC and hold the compliance folder. Hope this helps. Regards Barry Esmore AUS-TICK (Australian Approval Consultants) Phone:+ 61 3 9886 1345 Fax: + 61 3 9884 7272 Email:bar...@melbpc.org.au -- From: Richard Cass richard_c...@irisinc.scitex.com To: EMC-PSTC (E-mail) emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Cost associated with Australian C-tick Date: Thursday, 8 April 1999 6:48 Can anyone tell me the APPROXIMATE cost (just need the right number of zeros) if any, in US Dollars, for obtaining the C-Tick mark under the auspices of their EMC Framework? This would include one time or recurring costs. This would be for ITE equipment. The relevant Australian emissions standard is apparently AS/NZS 3548. At the present time all of our products are verified for European Union conformity to the fully equivalent EN55022:1994+A1:1995+A2:1997. So, in theory, it should just be a paper work exercise. I am just trying to find out what the costs are associated with that exercise. Also, can we as a US based manufacturer submit our application directly to SMA or do we need an intermediary or an in country representative? If anyone in the Australian SMA is on this distribution, I'd be ecstatic to hear from you TIA. Regards, Richard Cass Iris Graphics, Inc. Bedford MA 01730 USA 781 2760-5424 - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
RE: Cost associated with Australian C-tick
Greetings Rich, C-Tick costs only your time spent in gathering up your EN55022 report(s). There is no fee. You do need an Australian Rep of some sort to do the filing for you... If you need any other information regarding Australian approvals send an email to Kevin Richardson. He is very responsive and can answer any of your questions.. Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited (Australia) Specialists in Technology Requirements and Compliance Ph: 02-43-29-4070 Fax: 02-43-28-5639 Int'l: +61-2-43-2x- Email: k...@compuserve.com k...@technologist.com (Internet) or 100356,374 (Compuserve) Hope this helps. George -Original Message- From: Richard Cass [SMTP:richard_c...@irisinc.scitex.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 1999 4:48 PM To: EMC-PSTC (E-mail) Subject: Cost associated with Australian C-tick Can anyone tell me the APPROXIMATE cost (just need the right number of zeros) if any, in US Dollars, for obtaining the C-Tick mark under the auspices of their EMC Framework? This would include one time or recurring costs. This would be for ITE equipment. The relevant Australian emissions standard is apparently AS/NZS 3548. At the present time all of our products are verified for European Union conformity to the fully equivalent EN55022:1994+A1:1995+A2:1997. So, in theory, it should just be a paper work exercise. I am just trying to find out what the costs are associated with that exercise. Also, can we as a US based manufacturer submit our application directly to SMA or do we need an intermediary or an in country representative? If anyone in the Australian SMA is on this distribution, I'd be ecstatic to hear from you TIA. Regards, Richard Cass Iris Graphics, Inc. Bedford MA 01730 USA 781 2760-5424 - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
RE: Cost associated with Australian C-tick
Richard, there should be only a one time cost, if any, and that involves the application to use the c-tick mark. Only one application is required for all of your ITE. That application must be submitted by a person located in Australia, and that person may be an employee or an empowered representative. Testing for ITE may be performed by any laboratory in any country; however, the government has the right to reject test data that is not from a certified lab. The test data does not need to be submitted unless it is requested. My company is currently using our CE test data that we have taken ourselves and we have had no problems. If you are using distributors, be prepared to supply them with the information. We have had several requests from our distributors. Visit this web site to obtain more information: http://www.sma.gov.au/ http://www.sma.gov.au/ -- From: Richard Cass [SMTP:richard_c...@irisinc.scitex.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 1999 4:48 PM To: EMC-PSTC (E-mail) Subject: Cost associated with Australian C-tick Can anyone tell me the APPROXIMATE cost (just need the right number of zeros) if any, in US Dollars, for obtaining the C-Tick mark under the auspices of their EMC Framework? This would include one time or recurring costs. This would be for ITE equipment. The relevant Australian emissions standard is apparently AS/NZS 3548. At the present time all of our products are verified for European Union conformity to the fully equivalent EN55022:1994+A1:1995+A2:1997. So, in theory, it should just be a paper work exercise. I am just trying to find out what the costs are associated with that exercise. Also, can we as a US based manufacturer submit our application directly to SMA or do we need an intermediary or an in country representative? If anyone in the Australian SMA is on this distribution, I'd be ecstatic to hear from you TIA. Regards, Richard Cass Iris Graphics, Inc. Bedford MA 01730 USA 781 2760-5424 - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Re: Cost associated with Australian C-tick
Hello Richard, Answers to your questions: - The APPROXIMATE cost to register with the ACA (no longer SMA) is $zero. - If you have reports to EN55022 it is only a paper work exercise. - You will need an Australian company to sign the DOC and hold the compliance folder. Hope this helps. Regards Barry Esmore AUS-TICK (Australian Approval Consultants) Phone: + 61 3 9886 1345 Fax:+ 61 3 9884 7272 Email: bar...@melbpc.org.au -- From: Richard Cass richard_c...@irisinc.scitex.com To: EMC-PSTC (E-mail) emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Cost associated with Australian C-tick Date: Thursday, 8 April 1999 6:48 Can anyone tell me the APPROXIMATE cost (just need the right number of zeros) if any, in US Dollars, for obtaining the C-Tick mark under the auspices of their EMC Framework? This would include one time or recurring costs. This would be for ITE equipment. The relevant Australian emissions standard is apparently AS/NZS 3548. At the present time all of our products are verified for European Union conformity to the fully equivalent EN55022:1994+A1:1995+A2:1997. So, in theory, it should just be a paper work exercise. I am just trying to find out what the costs are associated with that exercise. Also, can we as a US based manufacturer submit our application directly to SMA or do we need an intermediary or an in country representative? If anyone in the Australian SMA is on this distribution, I'd be ecstatic to hear from you TIA. Regards, Richard Cass Iris Graphics, Inc. Bedford MA 01730 USA 781 2760-5424 - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
