Re: Public Health and Safety Signs - Tomfoolery so delete if you
200105211432.kaa24...@interlock2.lexmark.com, oover...@lexmark.com inimitably wrote: I once read a safety article (tongue-in-cheek I believe) that said that the safety industry was weaking the species by allowing the weak and feable to continue exist and procreate. I believe that this was directed toward the mentally weak and feable (read stoopid). By warning them about things that generally intellegient people would know were hazardous, this special group would reproduce and create even more special people. Ultimately, the special people would out number the others to such an extent that homosapiens would face extinction. One of the assumptions was that these special people, through their routine actions, would eliminate most of the other people through collateral damage. (e.g. drunk drivers, cell phone drivers, equipment operators, greedy managers with only the bottom line in mind (otherwise known as bottom feeders)) Well, it has gotten to the point, as Tania has so elegantly pointed out, that the safety profession only facilitates this; but the legal and political system now rewards being special (again read stoopid). Not only do we protect them and allow them to procreate, we pay them large sums of money to those special people for being so special. This is a distasteful posting, and even if you wrote it in innocence you may find you get attention from extreme right-wing elements. The idea that low intelligence is a dominant inherited characteristic is simply not true. There is a heuristic observation of an 'equalization' principle in human and other animal inheritance; unusually tall parents have tall but not so unusually tall children. Many highly intelligent parents have children whose intelligence is not so outstanding. Some simple parents have genius-level children. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. Phone +44 (0)1268 747839 Fax +44 (0)1268 777124. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Why not call a vertically- applied manulo-pedally-operated quasi-planar chernozem-penetrating and excavating implement a SPADE? --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall,
RE: Public Health and Safety Signs - Tomfoolery so delete if you don't have the time.
Gary, We learned about this one almost 13 years ago with the first baby... My wife inadvertently went through about a pot of coffee while on the phone (long distance) with a rarely seen friend. In a way, the results of that were much worse than passing on a glass of wine or two!! Since neither one was used to that much coffee, in that short a period, it was unpleasant, but educational. From an engineering perspective: it was a very conclusive test! Daren A. Nerad EMC Engineer 815.226.6123 -Original Message- From: Gary McInturff [mailto:gary.mcintu...@worldwidepackets.com] Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 4:40 PM To: 'Michael Mertinooke'; wo...@sensormatic.com; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: Public Health and Safety Signs - Tomfoolery so delete if you don't have the time. Here in the US, awhile back, a woman was suing the liquor industry because she gave birth to a fetal alcohol syndrome child. Apparently, nobody in their right mind would assume that consuming a fifth of whiskey a day could be harmful to a developing fetus making the liquor industry patiently and damnably negligent in not putting warning labels on the bottles. (We got them now thank God!) During the coverage of the trial, and I don't remember the context, but the issue of passing nastiness to infants who were being breast fed was also brought up. While I didn't hear the end of this I often have wondered that if that was true, and this woman's case had merit (her lawyer took it up didn't he?) then the logical extension would be that mothers milk should come with a warning. Soo Just what the heck will this label look like, and even more importantly, just where are they going to put it so that people, can easily read it! Gary -Original Message- From: Michael Mertinooke [mailto:mertino...@skyskan.com] Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 12:37 PM To: wo...@sensormatic.com; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: Public Health and Safety Signs signs at work. Is there a similar Directive for health and safety signs for the general public? Whoo! The mind boggles! You mean with like people with exclamation point in triangle tattoos on various portions of the anatomy? Or biohazard labels on the door of the kids' rooms? Judging from some of the ANSI Z535 safety labels I see in the catalogs, the Human Warning Labels would be interesting indeed. =] Cheers! Mike --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall, --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall, --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall,
Re: Public Health and Safety Signs - Tomfoolery so delete if you
I once read a safety article (tongue-in-cheek I believe) that said that the safety industry was weaking the species by allowing the weak and feable to continue exist and procreate. I believe that this was directed toward the mentally weak and feable (read stoopid). By warning them about things that generally intellegient people would know were hazardous, this special group would reproduce and create even more special people. Ultimately, the special people would out number the others to such an extent that homosapiens would face extinction. One of the assumptions was that these special people, through their routine actions, would eliminate most of the other people through collateral damage. (e.g. drunk drivers, cell phone drivers, equipment operators, greedy managers with only the bottom line in mind (otherwise known as bottom feeders)) Well, it has gotten to the point, as Tania has so elegantly pointed out, that the safety profession only facilitates this; but the legal and political system now rewards being special (again read stoopid). Not only do we protect them and allow them to procreate, we pay them large sums of money to those special people for being so special. Tania Grant taniagrant%msn@interlock.lexmark.com on 05/18/2001 09:11:49 PM Please respond to Tania Grant taniagrant%msn@interlock.lexmark.com To: Gary McInturff gary.mcinturff%worldwidepackets@interlock.lexmark.com, 'Michael Mertinooke' mertinooke%skyskan@interlock.lexmark.com, woods%sensormatic@interlock.lexmark.com, emc-pstc%majordomo.ieee@interlock.lexmark.com cc:(bcc: Oscar Overton/Lex/Lexmark) Subject: Re: Public Health and Safety Signs - Tomfoolery so delete if you Gary, Kudos to you for trying;-- but I think you are confusing your metaphors. And you can't equate logic with brainless juries or judges. And you know better than to rely on warning labels for safety protection! 1. It is assumed that intelligent people will make intelligent choices when opening a bottle with Warning labels that state the content can do you in. 2. It is assumed that a nursing baby, while potentially intelligent, does not have the capability to make any choices whatsoever as to what she is consuming. 3. It is assumed that a lactating mother has a direct effect on the well being of her baby. 4. Therefore, the mother is the responsible party for any adverse effects the baby may suffer due to conditions such as described in 1. above. 5. Therefore, we can assume that any decision rendered otherwise by judge and/or jury is brainless. For technological widgets we bend over backwards to make them safe and we don't rely on labels to protect the general user (trained service persons, however, can be protected by labels in certain cases). However, our legislators/politicians think they can affect and protect our behavior by labels and warning statements.This does not really work;--warning labels are for others, never for ourselves! So, what is the answer? -- Education for intelligent people; and safe design (in case of a single fault, and a subsequent fault) for dumb widgets. Plastering warning labels on breasts will no more eliminate alcoholic babies than plastering warning labels on men's ... will eliminate HIV. Tania Grant taniagr...@msn.com - Original Message - From: Gary McInturff Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 5:33 PM To: 'Michael Mertinooke'; wo...@sensormatic.com; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: Public Health and Safety Signs - Tomfoolery so delete if you Here in the US, awhile back, a woman was suing the liquor industry because she gave birth to a fetal alcohol syndrome child. Apparently, nobody in their right mind would assume that consuming a fifth of whiskey a day could be harmful to a developing fetus making the liquor industry patiently and damnably negligent in not putting warning labels on the bottles. (We got them now thank God!) During the coverage of the trial, and I don't remember the context, but the issue of passing nastiness to infants who were being breast fed was also brought up. While I didn't hear the end of this I often have wondered that if that was true, and this woman's case had merit (her lawyer took it up didn't he?) then the logical extension would be that mothers milk should come with a warning. Soo Just what the heck will this label look like, and even more importantly, just where are they going to put it so that people, can easily read it! Gary -Original Message- From: Michael Mertinooke [mailto:mertino...@skyskan.com] Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 12:37 PM To: wo...@sensormatic.com; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: Public Health and Safety Signs signs at work. Is there a similar Directive for health and safety signs for the general public? Whoo! The mind boggles! You mean with like people with exclamation point in triangle tattoos on various portions of the anatomy
Re: Public Health and Safety Signs - Tomfoolery so delete if you
Gary, Kudos to you for trying;-- but I think you are confusing your metaphors. And you can't equate logic with brainless juries or judges. And you know better than to rely on warning labels for safety protection! 1. It is assumed that intelligent people will make intelligent choices when opening a bottle with Warning labels that state the content can do you in. 2. It is assumed that a nursing baby, while potentially intelligent, does not have the capability to make any choices whatsoever as to what she is consuming. 3. It is assumed that a lactating mother has a direct effect on the well being of her baby. 4. Therefore, the mother is the responsible party for any adverse effects the baby may suffer due to conditions such as described in 1. above. 5. Therefore, we can assume that any decision rendered otherwise by judge and/or jury is brainless. For technological widgets we bend over backwards to make them safe and we don't rely on labels to protect the general user (trained service persons, however, can be protected by labels in certain cases). However, our legislators/politicians think they can affect and protect our behavior by labels and warning statements.This does not really work;--warning labels are for others, never for ourselves! So, what is the answer? -- Education for intelligent people; and safe design (in case of a single fault, and a subsequent fault) for dumb widgets. Plastering warning labels on breasts will no more eliminate alcoholic babies than plastering warning labels on men's ... will eliminate HIV. Tania Grant taniagr...@msn.com - Original Message - From: Gary McInturff Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 5:33 PM To: 'Michael Mertinooke'; wo...@sensormatic.com; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: Public Health and Safety Signs - Tomfoolery so delete if you Here in the US, awhile back, a woman was suing the liquor industry because she gave birth to a fetal alcohol syndrome child. Apparently, nobody in their right mind would assume that consuming a fifth of whiskey a day could be harmful to a developing fetus making the liquor industry patiently and damnably negligent in not putting warning labels on the bottles. (We got them now thank God!) During the coverage of the trial, and I don't remember the context, but the issue of passing nastiness to infants who were being breast fed was also brought up. While I didn't hear the end of this I often have wondered that if that was true, and this woman's case had merit (her lawyer took it up didn't he?) then the logical extension would be that mothers milk should come with a warning. Soo Just what the heck will this label look like, and even more importantly, just where are they going to put it so that people, can easily read it! Gary -Original Message- From: Michael Mertinooke [mailto:mertino...@skyskan.com] Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 12:37 PM To: wo...@sensormatic.com; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: Public Health and Safety Signs signs at work. Is there a similar Directive for health and safety signs for the general public? Whoo! The mind boggles! You mean with like people with exclamation point in triangle tattoos on various portions of the anatomy? Or biohazard labels on the door of the kids' rooms? Judging from some of the ANSI Z535 safety labels I see in the catalogs, the Human Warning Labels would be interesting indeed. =] Cheers! Mike --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall, --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall,br clear=allhrGet your FREE
RE: Public Health and Safety Signs - Tomfoolery so delete if you don't have the time.
Here in the US, awhile back, a woman was suing the liquor industry because she gave birth to a fetal alcohol syndrome child. Apparently, nobody in their right mind would assume that consuming a fifth of whiskey a day could be harmful to a developing fetus making the liquor industry patiently and damnably negligent in not putting warning labels on the bottles. (We got them now thank God!) During the coverage of the trial, and I don't remember the context, but the issue of passing nastiness to infants who were being breast fed was also brought up. While I didn't hear the end of this I often have wondered that if that was true, and this woman's case had merit (her lawyer took it up didn't he?) then the logical extension would be that mothers milk should come with a warning. Soo Just what the heck will this label look like, and even more importantly, just where are they going to put it so that people, can easily read it! Gary -Original Message- From: Michael Mertinooke [mailto:mertino...@skyskan.com] Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 12:37 PM To: wo...@sensormatic.com; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: Public Health and Safety Signs signs at work. Is there a similar Directive for health and safety signs for the general public? Whoo! The mind boggles! You mean with like people with exclamation point in triangle tattoos on various portions of the anatomy? Or biohazard labels on the door of the kids' rooms? Judging from some of the ANSI Z535 safety labels I see in the catalogs, the Human Warning Labels would be interesting indeed. =] Cheers! Mike --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall, --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall,
RE: Public Health and Safety Signs
signs at work. Is there a similar Directive for health and safety signs for the general public? Whoo! The mind boggles! You mean with like people with exclamation point in triangle tattoos on various portions of the anatomy? Or biohazard labels on the door of the kids' rooms? Judging from some of the ANSI Z535 safety labels I see in the catalogs, the Human Warning Labels would be interesting indeed. =] Cheers! Mike --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.rcic.com/ click on Virtual Conference Hall,
