Re: Shielded power cord, seeking source for

1998-01-25 Thread Chris Dupres
Hi Tim.

You wrote:
If screened mains cable is used, then surly it acts like a coax (a poor
one possibly) and transfers the energy, contained within, to a point
where the cables are not shielded. This would probably be at the mains
wall socket - where the energy could (would?) then radiate! If the
intention is not to cause interference to radiocommunications etc. then
how has the screened mains cable helped? The test might seem OK but how
is due diligence served?

My problems have been that filters are often guilty of resonances at
particular frequencies, providing substantial gain rather than attenuation.
 With 'white noise'  things like phase angle controllers in the box, these
filters put (in one instance) 32MHz out on to the mains cable, which
radiated beautifully.  The screen was sufficient to drop those emissions by
about 15dB, thereby bringing it back into compliance.  The transmission
line characteristics of screened three core cable are very poor, and the
conducted emissions of the 32MHz past the mains lead were clearly very much
reduced by the inductance/capacitance of the cable, in that the -15dB
results were perceived.  The radiated emissions included those from the
mains supply to the equipment.  The mains cable on this thing was 3 metres
long, and made up from component's, not moulded.  The screen was grounded
at the Supply end.

Interesting stuff...

Chris Dupres
Surrey, UK.


RE: Shielded power cord, seeking source for

1998-01-23 Thread Chris Dupres
Hi Rick.

You wrote:
It is my understanding that shielded power cords are not allowed on
products in European markets. As I recall, the rationale is that if a
cord is replaced, there is no guarantee that it can, or will, be
replaced with a shielded cord. 

Not as far as I am aware, and I have been designing mains powered stuff
since I was too young to know better...  But then I'm not aware of any
manufacturers of Moulded Screened Mains Cable assemblies, they are
invariably home made.

Screened mains cable is freely available on the reel (in the UK from people
like RS Components for instance) and I have used it when I have had
problems with radiated emissions or susceptibility on long mains cables. 
Usually when a filter demonstrates a particularly arkward resonance.

Any component which is safety or EMC critical, and which may be changed by
a subsequent user can be made a condition of compliance by a relatively
simple statement in the instructions.  i.e. under the general heading of
'Using as intended'.  Use of the equipment without the particular cable is
therefore 'Not as intended' and therefore shouldn't be expected to comply
(and shouldn't be put into service).

A thruppence worth perhaps.

Chris Dupres
Surrey, UK.


RE: Shielded power cord, seeking source for

1998-01-22 Thread Rick Busche
It is my understanding that shielded power cords are not allowed on
products in European markets. As I recall, the rationale is that if a
cord is replaced, there is no guarantee that it can, or will, be
replaced with a shielded cord. 



-Original Message-
From:   Bob Blank [SMTP:bbl...@us.bnsmc.com]
Sent:   Thursday, January 22, 1998 12:24 PM
To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject:Shielded power cord,  seeking source for 

Seeking source for shielded power cords to meet CE mark
requirements.


Prefer braided shield (80% tinned copper) instead of foil

18/3, CEE color coding, 10A, 125 V, PVC jacket, 9'10 long

should have female connector PH-30 (angled IEC 320)  molded on

Should meet any other specs required for CE mark  

Any advice is greatly appreciated

R. Blank