Re: [PSES] Standards for acoustic noise

2014-03-27 Thread S Drysdale
Hi All,

I am pulling up an old thread here, because it may relate to my question.
Is there any requirement or guidance for sound pressure level limits from
ultrasonic equipment operating 40-50 kHz and used in a residential
environment?

61010 has a good reference in section 12.5.2, and 60950 has vague reference
in 0.2.6, but any other references are appreciated.

Best Regards,
Scott Drysdale
OOO - Own Opinions Only


On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 9:49 AM, Powell, Doug doug.pow...@aei.com wrote:

 There is a difference between hazard levels and what I would call nuisance
 levels.  With nuisance levels, the noise might be an irritant but not
 necessarily hazardous.  This is especially true of noise that has a
 harmonic content or several noise sources that have nearly the same
 frequency but beat together.  The exception to this might be where the
 level of noise could mask a hazard or break concentration that is critical
 to the task at hand.

 I doubt there is much regulation available for low level noise which is a
 irritant.  I just did a quick check for the keywords noise and acoustic
 in IEC 61558-1.  There were no hits.  IEC 61010-1 has a section 12.5 Sonic
 and ultrasonic pressure.  But this is about hazard levels.  Also in IEC
 60950-1 (Ed. 1) there is mention of this in the section principles of
 Safety, but no real guidance.

 Abatement for high levels of transformer noise especially in environments
 like audio / video recording studios can be very challenging. Limits are
 generally set by market forces, not safety regulation.

 One of the best companies I have seen with is Brüel  Kjær (
 http://www.bksv.com/; http://www.bkhome.com/).  You can also subscribe to
 Sound and Vibration (http://www.sandv.com/) and they have a number of
 resources that may interest you.



 Regards,

 -doug

 Douglas E. Powell
 Engineering Manager
 Corporate Product Compliance
 Advanced Energy Industries, Inc.


 -Original Message-
 From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of
 Carpentier Kristiaan
 Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 2:51 AM
 To: EMC-PSTC
 Subject: Standards for accoustic noise

 Hi group,

 Products with transformers sometimes produce noise due to fact that parts
 of the transformer are not fixed well or due to piezo-electric effect.
 The acoustic level is rather low but can be annoying.
 Can anyone point me to standards that describe this kind of acoustic
 measurements and limits?

 Vriendelijke groeten, meilleures salutations,
 mit freundlichen Gruessen, best regards,

 Kristiaan Carpentier
 Regulatory  Approvals
 Thomson Telecom Belgium
 Prins Boudewijnlaan 47
 B-2650 Edegem
 Tel.: +32 3 443 6407
 Fax: +32 3 443 6632
 E-mail: kristiaan.carpent...@thomson.net



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Re: [PSES] Standards for acoustic noise

2014-03-27 Thread John Woodgate
In message 
calvemi_04vk4qkvyehcfqdwhkbvepr1no7-dfgolazu5em2...@mail.gmail.com, 
dated Thu, 27 Mar 2014, S Drysdale sdd...@gmail.com writes:


I am pulling up an old thread here, because it may relate to my 
question.   Is there any requirement or guidance for sound pressure 
level limits from ultrasonic equipment operating 40-50 kHz and used in 
a residential environment?


It's usually held that 'if you can't hear it, the pressure level doesn't 
matter' (within reason, not 240 dB!). But a few people CAN hear 40kHz to 
50 kHz, mostly children, and since they don't know that others can't, 
they may be at a loss to explain why they are distressed.


In addition, some ultrasonic equipment produces subharmonics; the 
half-frequency is still above most people's range, and the one-third 
frequency is above that of many, so they don't understand when someone 
says, 'What's that awful screaming noise?'


So for a quiet life (!), make the emissions as weak as is practicable.
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