RE: Some slightly disturbing interview news ...
-Original Message- From: Jim Freeman [mailto:free...@chelsio.com] Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 11:17 AM To: Berkley Cc: Ken Javor; Doug McKean; EMC-PSTC Discussion Group Subject: Re: Some slightly disturbing interview news ... Hi All, I have heard of this and know that it is performed as an information gathering tool. A company usually employs their own engineer designate(the most politically correct engineer that has any brains) and puts him on all the interview lists. This person writes reports as to what is being done outside and then the managers use this database to question their internal experts about why they are doing things a certain way,. Keep in mind that the managers have no idea how or what it takes to solve the problem but use the database to badger internal people and force them to investigate a problem in a way that doesn't match their skill set while at the same time expressing disappointment at how the job isn't getting done in a timely manner because of the insuficiency of expertise in the internal people. SNIP Wow, I am impressed. This is so coldly insightful that it would make Catbert's whiskers quiver! Ed Ed Price ed.pr...@cubic.com Electromagnetic Compatibility Lab Cubic Defense Systems San Diego, CA USA 858-505-2780 (Voice) 858-505-1583 (Fax) Military Avionics EMC Services Is Our Specialty Shake-Bake-Shock - Metrology - Reliability Analysis --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
RE: Some slightly disturbing interview news ...
Hmmm. the most politically correct engineer that has any brains Politically correct and having brains? Aren't the two mutually exclusive? Bob Wilson TIR Systems Ltd. Vancouver. -Original Message- From: Jim Freeman [mailto:free...@chelsio.com] Sent: May 16, 2002 11:17 AM To: Berkley Cc: Ken Javor; Doug McKean; EMC-PSTC Discussion Group Subject: Re: Some slightly disturbing interview news ... Hi All, I have heard of this and know that it is performed as an information gathering tool. A company usually employs their own engineer designate(the most politically correct engineer that has any brains) and puts him on all the interview lists. This person writes reports as to what is being done outside and then the managers use this database to question their internal experts about why they are doing things a certain way,. Keep in mind that the managers have no idea how or what it takes to solve the problem but use the database to badger internal people and force them to investigate a problem in a way that doesn't match their skill set while at the same time expressing disappointment at how the job isn't getting done in a timely manner because of the insuficiency of expertise in the internal people. The internal person may even on the right track but will be forced off of it befause of management pressure. Another time I was actually queried about the values for particular constants and watched the politically correct engineer write down the answers in my presence. This was a case of a not particularly bright politically correct engineer. Thanks Jim Freeman Berkley wrote: This is nothing new.. I found this to be typical interviewing technique at several start-ups that I had interviewed with over the past 3-4 years. The questioning would get extremely detailed, and in my opinion, way too focused (for a first interview). I learned to recognize some tell-tale signs.. for instance, where my most of my responses to specific questions got an immediate reaction like but what if you already tried that and it didn't work? .. what else would you do... and the questioning would proceed way down, into the micro-level on this one problem. It was so blatant at one interview that, after a grueling 2 hours, I finally stood up and said hire me and you'll find out, then walked out. They called me back for a second interview! .. I kindly declined.. Be Good, George - Original Message - From: Ken Javor ken.ja...@emccompliance.com To: Doug McKean dmck...@corp.auspex.com; EMC-PSTC Discussion Group emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 12:54 AM Subject: Re: Some slightly disturbing interview news ... Happened to me personally, but not in Silly Valley. -- From: Doug McKean dmck...@corp.auspex.com To: EMC-PSTC Discussion Group emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Some slightly disturbing interview news ... Date: Wed, May 15, 2002, 6:45 PM Times are tough all round but there's no need to make things tougher. Here in Silly Valley, things are tough and I have made some attempts to find a few people jobs in my spare time. These are people I know personally. I'm sure I'm not alone in this venture. I'm sure most if not everyone on this list would also help. One headhunter who called me wanted to know if I was just plain nuts or just some sort of a good guy handing a job offer off to someone I knew who was looking. I told him it was none of his business smirk, just make sure to give so-and-so a call. Which they do. Unfortunately, what I have personally experienced in the past (rarely), and what appears to be happening at least with a few of companies currently is the following ... EMC job opening is posted. Resumes are sent. A few candidates are selected for interviews. Most of the interview centers on questions about how to solve some problems that are being experienced by said company. Then there's a decision not to hire anyone. Purchase req for new hires is closed. All candidates are rejected. A few months later, same company goes through the whole thing again. Only this time, there's a different set of questions to problems all being experienced by said company. Both sets of questions involving how-would-you-solve-this type of problems. I'm sure most of you know where I'm going with this. At the end of the day, the company or whoever in the company, has their solution or solutions. I'm not crying about this. My questions are ... Comes with the turf? Are you surprised to hear such a thing? Not surprised? Has is happened to you? Heard that it does happen but rarely and with some other company somewhere else? Happens all the time? Never happens? You gotta be kidden? So that's what that was all about! Thanks. Yea, but whaddaya gonna do about it? Well, if it does happen, so much
Re: Some slightly disturbing interview news ...
Hi All, I have heard of this and know that it is performed as an information gathering tool. A company usually employs their own engineer designate(the most politically correct engineer that has any brains) and puts him on all the interview lists. This person writes reports as to what is being done outside and then the managers use this database to question their internal experts about why they are doing things a certain way,. Keep in mind that the managers have no idea how or what it takes to solve the problem but use the database to badger internal people and force them to investigate a problem in a way that doesn't match their skill set while at the same time expressing disappointment at how the job isn't getting done in a timely manner because of the insuficiency of expertise in the internal people. The internal person may even on the right track but will be forced off of it befause of management pressure. Another time I was actually queried about the values for particular constants and watched the politically correct engineer write down the answers in my presence. This was a case of a not particularly bright politically correct engineer. Thanks Jim Freeman Berkley wrote: This is nothing new.. I found this to be typical interviewing technique at several start-ups that I had interviewed with over the past 3-4 years. The questioning would get extremely detailed, and in my opinion, way too focused (for a first interview). I learned to recognize some tell-tale signs.. for instance, where my most of my responses to specific questions got an immediate reaction like but what if you already tried that and it didn't work? .. what else would you do... and the questioning would proceed way down, into the micro-level on this one problem. It was so blatant at one interview that, after a grueling 2 hours, I finally stood up and said hire me and you'll find out, then walked out. They called me back for a second interview! .. I kindly declined.. Be Good, George - Original Message - From: Ken Javor ken.ja...@emccompliance.com To: Doug McKean dmck...@corp.auspex.com; EMC-PSTC Discussion Group emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 12:54 AM Subject: Re: Some slightly disturbing interview news ... Happened to me personally, but not in Silly Valley. -- From: Doug McKean dmck...@corp.auspex.com To: EMC-PSTC Discussion Group emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Some slightly disturbing interview news ... Date: Wed, May 15, 2002, 6:45 PM Times are tough all round but there's no need to make things tougher. Here in Silly Valley, things are tough and I have made some attempts to find a few people jobs in my spare time. These are people I know personally. I'm sure I'm not alone in this venture. I'm sure most if not everyone on this list would also help. One headhunter who called me wanted to know if I was just plain nuts or just some sort of a good guy handing a job offer off to someone I knew who was looking. I told him it was none of his business smirk, just make sure to give so-and-so a call. Which they do. Unfortunately, what I have personally experienced in the past (rarely), and what appears to be happening at least with a few of companies currently is the following ... EMC job opening is posted. Resumes are sent. A few candidates are selected for interviews. Most of the interview centers on questions about how to solve some problems that are being experienced by said company. Then there's a decision not to hire anyone. Purchase req for new hires is closed. All candidates are rejected. A few months later, same company goes through the whole thing again. Only this time, there's a different set of questions to problems all being experienced by said company. Both sets of questions involving how-would-you-solve-this type of problems. I'm sure most of you know where I'm going with this. At the end of the day, the company or whoever in the company, has their solution or solutions. I'm not crying about this. My questions are ... Comes with the turf? Are you surprised to hear such a thing? Not surprised? Has is happened to you? Heard that it does happen but rarely and with some other company somewhere else? Happens all the time? Never happens? You gotta be kidden? So that's what that was all about! Thanks. Yea, but whaddaya gonna do about it? Well, if it does happen, so much the better I don't work there ... Etc ... Regards, Doug McKean --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line
Re: Some slightly disturbing interview news ...
This is nothing new.. I found this to be typical interviewing technique at several start-ups that I had interviewed with over the past 3-4 years. The questioning would get extremely detailed, and in my opinion, way too focused (for a first interview). I learned to recognize some tell-tale signs.. for instance, where my most of my responses to specific questions got an immediate reaction like but what if you already tried that and it didn't work? .. what else would you do... and the questioning would proceed way down, into the micro-level on this one problem. It was so blatant at one interview that, after a grueling 2 hours, I finally stood up and said hire me and you'll find out, then walked out. They called me back for a second interview! .. I kindly declined.. Be Good, George - Original Message - From: Ken Javor ken.ja...@emccompliance.com To: Doug McKean dmck...@corp.auspex.com; EMC-PSTC Discussion Group emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 12:54 AM Subject: Re: Some slightly disturbing interview news ... Happened to me personally, but not in Silly Valley. -- From: Doug McKean dmck...@corp.auspex.com To: EMC-PSTC Discussion Group emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Some slightly disturbing interview news ... Date: Wed, May 15, 2002, 6:45 PM Times are tough all round but there's no need to make things tougher. Here in Silly Valley, things are tough and I have made some attempts to find a few people jobs in my spare time. These are people I know personally. I'm sure I'm not alone in this venture. I'm sure most if not everyone on this list would also help. One headhunter who called me wanted to know if I was just plain nuts or just some sort of a good guy handing a job offer off to someone I knew who was looking. I told him it was none of his business smirk, just make sure to give so-and-so a call. Which they do. Unfortunately, what I have personally experienced in the past (rarely), and what appears to be happening at least with a few of companies currently is the following ... EMC job opening is posted. Resumes are sent. A few candidates are selected for interviews. Most of the interview centers on questions about how to solve some problems that are being experienced by said company. Then there's a decision not to hire anyone. Purchase req for new hires is closed. All candidates are rejected. A few months later, same company goes through the whole thing again. Only this time, there's a different set of questions to problems all being experienced by said company. Both sets of questions involving how-would-you-solve-this type of problems. I'm sure most of you know where I'm going with this. At the end of the day, the company or whoever in the company, has their solution or solutions. I'm not crying about this. My questions are ... Comes with the turf? Are you surprised to hear such a thing? Not surprised? Has is happened to you? Heard that it does happen but rarely and with some other company somewhere else? Happens all the time? Never happens? You gotta be kidden? So that's what that was all about! Thanks. Yea, but whaddaya gonna do about it? Well, if it does happen, so much the better I don't work there ... Etc ... Regards, Doug McKean --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
Re: Some slightly disturbing interview news ...
Happened to me personally, but not in Silly Valley. -- From: Doug McKean dmck...@corp.auspex.com To: EMC-PSTC Discussion Group emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Some slightly disturbing interview news ... Date: Wed, May 15, 2002, 6:45 PM Times are tough all round but there's no need to make things tougher. Here in Silly Valley, things are tough and I have made some attempts to find a few people jobs in my spare time. These are people I know personally. I'm sure I'm not alone in this venture. I'm sure most if not everyone on this list would also help. One headhunter who called me wanted to know if I was just plain nuts or just some sort of a good guy handing a job offer off to someone I knew who was looking. I told him it was none of his business smirk, just make sure to give so-and-so a call. Which they do. Unfortunately, what I have personally experienced in the past (rarely), and what appears to be happening at least with a few of companies currently is the following ... EMC job opening is posted. Resumes are sent. A few candidates are selected for interviews. Most of the interview centers on questions about how to solve some problems that are being experienced by said company. Then there's a decision not to hire anyone. Purchase req for new hires is closed. All candidates are rejected. A few months later, same company goes through the whole thing again. Only this time, there's a different set of questions to problems all being experienced by said company. Both sets of questions involving how-would-you-solve-this type of problems. I'm sure most of you know where I'm going with this. At the end of the day, the company or whoever in the company, has their solution or solutions. I'm not crying about this. My questions are ... Comes with the turf? Are you surprised to hear such a thing? Not surprised? Has is happened to you? Heard that it does happen but rarely and with some other company somewhere else? Happens all the time? Never happens? You gotta be kidden? So that's what that was all about! Thanks. Yea, but whaddaya gonna do about it? Well, if it does happen, so much the better I don't work there ... Etc ... Regards, Doug McKean --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
Re: Some slightly disturbing interview news ...
Doug: Good points on the companies looking for a quick solution to a long term problem. I would not buy stock in companies that solve EMC mysteries like that... This brings to mind employment in the EMC community in my area I have been doing referrals and resumes as a courtesy for a few years now in the Chicago area. In fact our website has an area there specifically for Engineers looking for a job. As an Electrical Engineer myself, I always try to help our community, and actually have placed six or so people in the last year. Not for profit, just to help out fellow engineers. If an Engineer is out of work, I will open my company books to him or her (none yet) to help the situation out. If they are just looking, but still employed, then the resume is kept on file waiting anyone that is looking for an engineer. In the Chicago land area, the business climate is tough. The Governor stated this evening this is the worst time for the Illinois area in the past 48 years. My comments to engineers now is if you have a job - keep it! While I have been called by a many recruiters, most are not a great help. Networking seems to work best. Take care, maybe see you in Minneapolis. Frank Krozel (part of the silent EMC Community...) Voice: 630-924-1600 Fax: 630-924-1668 Cell: 630-890-5421 24/7 hours Home: 630-653-9090 Electronic Instrument Associates-Central, Inc. website: http://www.electronicinstrument.com Serving the Midwest since 1971 with Electrical Engineers - Original Message - From: Doug McKean dmck...@corp.auspex.com To: EMC-PSTC Discussion Group emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 6:45 PM Subject: Some slightly disturbing interview news ... Times are tough all round but there's no need to make things tougher. Here in Silly Valley, things are tough and I have made some attempts to find a few people jobs in my spare time. These are people I know personally. I'm sure I'm not alone in this venture. I'm sure most if not everyone on this list would also help. One headhunter who called me wanted to know if I was just plain nuts or just some sort of a good guy handing a job offer off to someone I knew who was looking. I told him it was none of his business smirk, just make sure to give so-and-so a call. Which they do. Unfortunately, what I have personally experienced in the past (rarely), and what appears to be happening at least with a few of companies currently is the following ... EMC job opening is posted. Resumes are sent. A few candidates are selected for interviews. Most of the interview centers on questions about how to solve some problems that are being experienced by said company. Then there's a decision not to hire anyone. Purchase req for new hires is closed. All candidates are rejected. A few months later, same company goes through the whole thing again. Only this time, there's a different set of questions to problems all being experienced by said company. Both sets of questions involving how-would-you-solve-this type of problems. I'm sure most of you know where I'm going with this. At the end of the day, the company or whoever in the company, has their solution or solutions. I'm not crying about this. My questions are ... Comes with the turf? Are you surprised to hear such a thing? Not surprised? Has is happened to you? Heard that it does happen but rarely and with some other company somewhere else? Happens all the time? Never happens? You gotta be kidden? So that's what that was all about! Thanks. Yea, but whaddaya gonna do about it? Well, if it does happen, so much the better I don't work there ... Etc ... Regards, Doug McKean --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail
Some slightly disturbing interview news ...
Times are tough all round but there's no need to make things tougher. Here in Silly Valley, things are tough and I have made some attempts to find a few people jobs in my spare time. These are people I know personally. I'm sure I'm not alone in this venture. I'm sure most if not everyone on this list would also help. One headhunter who called me wanted to know if I was just plain nuts or just some sort of a good guy handing a job offer off to someone I knew who was looking. I told him it was none of his business smirk, just make sure to give so-and-so a call. Which they do. Unfortunately, what I have personally experienced in the past (rarely), and what appears to be happening at least with a few of companies currently is the following ... EMC job opening is posted. Resumes are sent. A few candidates are selected for interviews. Most of the interview centers on questions about how to solve some problems that are being experienced by said company. Then there's a decision not to hire anyone. Purchase req for new hires is closed. All candidates are rejected. A few months later, same company goes through the whole thing again. Only this time, there's a different set of questions to problems all being experienced by said company. Both sets of questions involving how-would-you-solve-this type of problems. I'm sure most of you know where I'm going with this. At the end of the day, the company or whoever in the company, has their solution or solutions. I'm not crying about this. My questions are ... Comes with the turf? Are you surprised to hear such a thing? Not surprised? Has is happened to you? Heard that it does happen but rarely and with some other company somewhere else? Happens all the time? Never happens? You gotta be kidden? So that's what that was all about! Thanks. Yea, but whaddaya gonna do about it? Well, if it does happen, so much the better I don't work there ... Etc ... Regards, Doug McKean --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
