Re: [Emc-users] Still Crashing

2008-05-17 Thread Organic Engines
Hi,

  Ubuntu Live CD. Is that not the BDI?

  I already tried upgrading Ubuntu 7.10 to heron and running the install 
EMC script. That crashed. :(

  Well I am trying the new Heron live CD. We will see what that does.


  Dan

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Re: [Emc-users] Still Crashing

2008-05-17 Thread Ray Henry

Hi Dan

I'll try to make this history lesson as short and painless as
possible.  

The BDI evolved out of an early discussion that we came to call a 
Brain Dead Install when the EMC was still a part of NIST.  It's
difficult to imagine now how much trouble it was to get a running
version of the EMC software back then.  Paul Corner took up the
challenge and produced what he officially named the BDI.  

When we -- fondly called EMC2 -- and He -- fondly called tuxcnc --
parted ways, we kinda let the BDI name slide from our side.  Normally we
refer to our CD as something like Ubuntu-EMC2.  Not nearly as flashy a
name but as easy as possible to install.

I've still got a bunch of blank CDs that are printed with the BDI image
produced for us by Rab Gordon and printed at my expense.  I don't use
them for public distribution any more but I still like the looks of that
disk.  I'll bring a stack to fest and if folk want to burn their own
nostalgia version they may.

There that was not so bad.  Class dismissed.

Rayh 



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 Hi,
 
   Ubuntu Live CD. Is that not the BDI?
 
   I already tried upgrading Ubuntu 7.10 to heron and running the install 
 EMC script. That crashed. :(
 
   Well I am trying the new Heron live CD. We will see what that does.
 
 
   Dan
 
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Re: [Emc-users] Still Crashing

2008-05-17 Thread Matt Shaver
On Sat, 2008-05-17 at 08:53 -0500, Ray Henry wrote:
 I've still got a bunch of blank CDs that are printed with the BDI image
 produced for us by Rab Gordon and printed at my expense.  I don't use
 them for public distribution any more but I still like the looks of that
 disk.

I did some work for the company that (IIRC) printed those CDs, and their
in-house artist said that it was one of the best, most artistic, CD
labels he'd seen, and they're in the CD printing business! I'd really
like to see that image brought up to date, maybe with some Ubuntu
references in it, and re-issued. It was _that_ cool! The mouse pads were
pretty nice too...

Thanks,
Matt



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Re: [Emc-users] 2x 5i20 cards, how to set additional axis

2008-05-17 Thread Ray Henry

Hi Aram

I'm going to use a stepper example here.  The principles are the same.

When you look at a standard running version using three or four axes
you'll see that the pins and parameters named axis in HAL only exist for
the number of axes setup during the loading of that module.  You'll also
see that it gets this info from the INI file used during startup.  That
line is;

# motion controller, get name and thread periods from ini file
loadrt [EMCMOT]EMCMOT base_period_nsec=[EMCMOT]BASE_PERIOD
servo_period_nsec=[EMCMOT]SERVO_PERIOD
traj_period_nsec=[EMCMOT]TRAJ_PERIOD key=[EMCMOT]SHMEM_KEY
num_joints=[TRAJ]AXES

So if you add the defines for the extra three axes and modify the stuff
in the traj section to 6 rather than three you will get those all listed
into the HAL from the motion section of the EMC.

Next you will need to connect each of those axes pins to all of the
stuff they need to go through and to the proper mesa pins.  For this you
can pretty much copy a set of connections for any of the stock axes and
simply change the number that the connection refers to.

This example shows So for example, 

# connect position commands from motion module to step generator
net Xpos-cmd axis.0.motor-pos-cmd = stepgen.0.position-cmd
net Ypos-cmd axis.1.motor-pos-cmd = stepgen.1.position-cmd
net Zpos-cmd axis.2.motor-pos-cmd = stepgen.2.position-cmd

These are the stock connections in the sample config I chose to use.

net Xpos-cmd axis.3.motor-pos-cmd = stepgen.3.position-cmd
net Ypos-cmd axis.4.motor-pos-cmd = stepgen.4.position-cmd
net Zpos-cmd axis.5.motor-pos-cmd = stepgen.5.position-cmd

and these are the ones that MUST be added to begin the process of
connecting the extra axes.  You should follow this process through all
of the connections needed right out to the mesa pins.

I presume that you will put the first four axes on the first mesa card
and the last two on the second.  If so, the naming conventions for that
step will be just a bit different.  

# Connect PID output signals to DACs.
linksp Xoutput = m5i20.0.dac-00-value
linksp Youtput = m5i20.0.dac-01-value
linksp Zoutput = m5i20.0.dac-02-value

These are stock connections for output.  You'll add this to the first
mesa board.

linksp Zoutput = m5i20.0.dac-03-value

Then you'll need to change boards for the last two.  

linksp Xoutput = m5i20.1.dac-00-value
linksp Youtput = m5i20.1.dac-01-value

You'll repeat this process for all of the motion and IO connections that
need to be made.

And last but very important is fixing the kinematics to match the kind
of machine you are connecting these six motors to.  I'm not going to
touch that with any advice.  

Rayh

BTW -- I'd abandon the attempts to express your discontent with us.
You've said it enough.  





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 Hi
 I build system with 2 5i20 and 2 analog cards. I am looking for direction
 into to activate 6 axis. I did add axis last year with help of Steve. This
 time I will document every single click of how do that because it will be
 part of my theses for my school.


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Re: [Emc-users] Still Crashing

2008-05-17 Thread Ray Henry
On Sat, 2008-05-17 at 10:04 -0400, Matt Shaver wrote:
 On Sat, 2008-05-17 at 08:53 -0500, Ray Henry wrote:
  I've still got a bunch of blank CDs that are printed with the BDI image
  produced for us by Rab Gordon and printed at my expense.  I don't use
  them for public distribution any more but I still like the looks of that
  disk.
 
 I did some work for the company that (IIRC) printed those CDs, and their
 in-house artist said that it was one of the best, most artistic, CD
 labels he'd seen, and they're in the CD printing business! I'd really
 like to see that image brought up to date, maybe with some Ubuntu
 references in it, and re-issued. It was _that_ cool! The mouse pads were
 pretty nice too...
 
 Thanks,
 Matt
 

Those were the days, my friend
We thought they'd never end  Lyrics by Mary Hopkins

Rayh






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Re: [Emc-users] 2x 5i20 cards, how to set additional axis

2008-05-17 Thread noel
Aram,
Check: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?FiveAxisGantry
This is done with 2 m5i20 cards.
The 'bench system' works.  That is 6 drives and motors connected to the
m7i33's and m7i37's. 
The m5i20s seem to be detected in random order by the computer (the same
each boot!). 
It was just a simple test to figure which one was #1.  Maybe someone with
more Linux experience knows a better way.
Anyway, 2 m5i20's are no problem.

Noel.
Rogue Engineering
'Roguish'


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Subject: [Emc-users] 2x 5i20 cards, how to set additional axis

Hi
I build system with 2 5i20 and 2 analog cards. I am looking for direction
into to activate 6 axis. I did add axis last year with help of Steve. This
time I will document every single click of how do that because it will be
part of my theses for my school.
Anyone who do not like me personally please do not respond!
Thank you
Aram.



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Re: [Emc-users] Still Crashing

2008-05-17 Thread Ray Henry
On Sat, 2008-05-17 at 10:04 -0400, Matt Shaver wrote:

 I did some work for the company that (IIRC) printed those CDs, and their
 in-house artist said that it was one of the best, most artistic, CD
 labels he'd seen, and they're in the CD printing business! 

For the curious youngsters among us.

http://www.rainnea.com/chips.htm

Rayh




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Re: [Emc-users] Still Crashing

2008-05-17 Thread Alex Joni
I did these a while ago:
http://dsplabs.cs.utt.ro/~juve/emc/cd-cover/

I think I even printed a couple, somewhere around here :)

Regards,
Alex

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 On Sat, 2008-05-17 at 10:04 -0400, Matt Shaver wrote:

 I did some work for the company that (IIRC) printed those CDs, and their
 in-house artist said that it was one of the best, most artistic, CD
 labels he'd seen, and they're in the CD printing business!

 For the curious youngsters among us.

 http://www.rainnea.com/chips.htm

 Rayh




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Re: [Emc-users] Still Crashing

2008-05-17 Thread Dave Engvall
Screen shots on the CD are pretty cool.

Dave
On May 17, 2008, at 8:11 AM, Alex Joni wrote:

 I did these a while ago:
 http://dsplabs.cs.utt.ro/~juve/emc/cd-cover/

 I think I even printed a couple, somewhere around here :)

 Regards,
 Alex

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 On Sat, 2008-05-17 at 10:04 -0400, Matt Shaver wrote:

 I did some work for the company that (IIRC) printed those CDs,  
 and their
 in-house artist said that it was one of the best, most artistic, CD
 labels he'd seen, and they're in the CD printing business!

 For the curious youngsters among us.

 http://www.rainnea.com/chips.htm

 Rayh




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Re: [Emc-users] starting spindle during restart in the middle of the program

2008-05-17 Thread Stuart Stevenson
   Maybe you can help me - I need to make a command for restart the milling
 from any line of the file but I don't know how to make this. (and probably
 you idea to restart spindle will be very usefull in this case).

   The reason for the restart of the spindle was to then be able to
restart at any line in the program.

   If i'm not wrong, I think this feature is present in 'mini' or 'Tkemc'
 gui, but will be usefull in 'axis' gui.

 The only thing I made with successs was a command (via pyvcp button) do send
 all axis back do origin phisically...

 Thank you and best regards,

 Fabio

   You will need to add:

loadrt toggle count=1
loadrt not count=1

addf toggle,0 servo-thread
addf not.0 servo-thread

   if the 'toggle' component and the 'not' component are the first and
only ones you are using and you have a thread called 'servo-thread'
then these exact commands will work. Otherwise you will have to modify
these commands for your configuration.

ie. if you have a

loadrt not count=1
addf not.0 servo-thread

in your config files to be able to add another 'not' component you
will need to change the lines to look like this

loadrt not count=2
addf not.1 servo-thread

   If you are not using a servo-thread you will need to substitute a
different thread for the 'servo-thread'.

   You will need to add this to your ?.xml file for pyvcp

   label
  font('courier_bold',25)/font
  textSpindle/text
   /label
button
   halpinspindle/halpin   
/button

   You will need to at this to your postgui.hal file

net spindle pyvcp.spindle halui.program.pause toggle.0.in
net spinON toggle.0.out halui.spindle.stop not.0.in
net spinOff not.0.out halui.spindle.start

   If you had to change the loadrt and the addf commands you will need
to change the toggle.0 and/or the not.0 to match what you added.


   This will allow you to restart at any point in the program:

highlight the line you want to start from
from the drop down under the 'machine' heading - click on 'set next line'
push the step button - this is the arrow pointing right along the top
of the axis gui
push the button under the pyvcp spindle - you may need to push this
button twice - the spindle will start
start your program using the buttons across the top of the axis gui.


   To stop the program and spindle at any time:

push the pyvcp spindle button - this will pause the program and stop the spindle
push the pyvcp spindle button - again - this will start the spindle
push the pause button on the top of the axis gui - this will restart
the program operation


   This is not the perfect solution because you are able to push the
pause button and restart the program without the spindle running. This
may lead to reduced tool life and increased scrap parts. BE CAREFUL

thanks
Stuart

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[Emc-users] Z-Axis Drifting Problem

2008-05-17 Thread nasir ahmed
  Dear All,
   
  We have installed Motenc-Lite on two milling machines.
  X and Y axis on both machines show good repeatability and show no errors 
after long run.
  Z-axis shifts conitinously by repeated motion of 100mm for 400 times, the 
error shifts the 
  Z-axis approximmately 1.00mm into the job ie error is in minus direction.
  Z-axis Motor and encoder have been exchanged with other axis, but the error 
remain in the
  Z-axis.
   
  Regards
  Nasir.
  


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Re: [Emc-users] Still Crashing

2008-05-17 Thread John Thornton
Alex, 

What did you use to print the CD?

John

On 17 May 2008 at 18:11, Alex Joni wrote:

 I did these a while ago:
 http://dsplabs.cs.utt.ro/~juve/emc/cd-cover/
 
 I think I even printed a couple, somewhere around here :)
 
 Regards,
 Alex
 
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  On Sat, 2008-05-17 at 10:04 -0400, Matt Shaver wrote:
 
  I did some work for the company that (IIRC) printed those CDs, and
  their in-house artist said that it was one of the best, most
  artistic, CD labels he'd seen, and they're in the CD printing
  business!
 
  For the curious youngsters among us.
 
  http://www.rainnea.com/chips.htm
 
  Rayh
 
 
 
 
  
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Re: [Emc-users] Z-Axis Drifting Problem

2008-05-17 Thread Ray Henry

Hi Nasir

Good to hear from you again.  You started using EMC a long time ago.
Six+ years ago at least.

Does it do the same sort of sliding down when the moves are fast as
opposed to slow?  

Is it possible that you have mechanical slip between the axis and the
feedback.  If this is a motor with an encoder mounted on the end of it,
is there any possibility of movement between the motor and the
leadscrew.

I can't see how electrical interference would cause bad counting in one
direction only but you might make certain your encoder cables are
grounded at the drive end only.  We found just a little bit of
difference in the ground potential between axes on the Motinc card we
used with the Mazak but I don't see how that would cause this either.

Rayh



On Sat, 2008-05-17 at 11:02 -0700, nasir ahmed wrote:
 Dear All,
  
 We have installed Motenc-Lite on two milling machines.
 X and Y axis on both machines show good repeatability and show no
 errors after long run.
 Z-axis shifts conitinously by repeated motion of 100mm for 400 times,
 the error shifts the 
 Z-axis approximmately 1.00mm into the job ie error is in minus
 direction.
 Z-axis Motor and encoder have been exchanged with other axis, but the
 error remain in the
 Z-axis.
  
 Regards
 Nasir.
 
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Re: [Emc-users] Z-Axis Drifting Problem

2008-05-17 Thread Jeff Epler
On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 02:33:04PM -0500, Ray Henry wrote:
 I can't see how electrical interference would cause bad counting in one
 direction only but you might make certain your encoder cables are
 grounded at the drive end only.

I agree this sounds a bit strange, but I've seen this on two occasions.
Once the encoder sensor was physically dirty, and in the other case
there was electrical noise due to (iirc) bad grounding.  In both these
cases, the position error was consistently biased in one particular
direction.

You're right to suggest not dismissing electrical interference in this
case.

Jeff

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Re: [Emc-users] Still Crashing

2008-05-17 Thread Alex Joni
Hi John,

this are stick-on labels, which I printed in a regular deskjet printer.
I glued then by hand on the CD (the stickers came with a device which allows 
to center it on a blank CD).
I think I read on the web, that these might cause issues at high speed, but 
that's not been my experience so far (couple years).

Regards,
Alex

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 Alex,

 What did you use to print the CD?

 John

 On 17 May 2008 at 18:11, Alex Joni wrote:

 I did these a while ago:
 http://dsplabs.cs.utt.ro/~juve/emc/cd-cover/

 I think I even printed a couple, somewhere around here :)

 Regards,
 Alex

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  On Sat, 2008-05-17 at 10:04 -0400, Matt Shaver wrote:
 
  I did some work for the company that (IIRC) printed those CDs, and
  their in-house artist said that it was one of the best, most
  artistic, CD labels he'd seen, and they're in the CD printing
  business!
 
  For the curious youngsters among us.
 
  http://www.rainnea.com/chips.htm
 
  Rayh
 
 
 
 
  
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[Emc-users] Scale and Rotate

2008-05-17 Thread Organic Engines
Hi,

  Do scale and/or rotate exist in EMC2?

  Where is my PyVCP hiding?

  Thanks,
  Dan





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Re: [Emc-users] Z-Axis Drifting Problem

2008-05-17 Thread Glenn R. Edwards
Focusing on possible mechanical sources: A Z-axis not capable of lifting the
spindle at max slew, but sized well enough to drive the spindle down, would
behave in this manner.

Glenn 

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Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Z-Axis Drifting Problem

On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 02:33:04PM -0500, Ray Henry wrote:
 I can't see how electrical interference would cause bad counting in 
 one direction only but you might make certain your encoder cables are 
 grounded at the drive end only.

I agree this sounds a bit strange, but I've seen this on two occasions.
Once the encoder sensor was physically dirty, and in the other case there
was electrical noise due to (iirc) bad grounding.  In both these cases, the
position error was consistently biased in one particular direction.

You're right to suggest not dismissing electrical interference in this case.

Jeff

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