[Emc-users] STOP RIGHT NOW...

2012-08-03 Thread Matt Shaver
and take this poll:

http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/DB68YQF

Thanks,
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P.S. No ballet box stuffing and be honest, OK?

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Re: [Emc-users] STOP RIGHT NOW...

2012-08-03 Thread Chris Radek
On Fri, Aug 03, 2012 at 10:35:18AM -0400, Matt Shaver wrote:
 and take this poll:

What the heck, Matt.  I don't see linuxcnc on there.

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Re: [Emc-users] STOP RIGHT NOW...

2012-08-03 Thread Lester Caine
Chris Radek wrote:
 and take this poll:
 What the heck, Matt.  I don't see linuxcnc on there.
But it's still got 22% ;)
It will be a long time before I stop calling it 

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Re: [Emc-users] STOP RIGHT NOW...

2012-08-03 Thread Dave Hylands
Hi Chris,

On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 7:56 AM, Chris Radek ch...@timeguy.com wrote:
 On Fri, Aug 03, 2012 at 10:35:18AM -0400, Matt Shaver wrote:
 and take this poll:

 What the heck, Matt.  I don't see linuxcnc on there.

It shows up as EMC2.

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Re: [Emc-users] STOP RIGHT NOW...

2012-08-03 Thread Jon Elson
Matt Shaver wrote:
 and take this poll:

 http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/DB68YQF

 Thanks,
 Matt

 P.S. No ballet box stuffing and be honest, OK?
   
Obviously most reporters must be hobby-level, as Mach has the largest
number, and Fanuc is barely there.  About stuffing the box, what if
I have more than one actual machine running EMC2?  What if I have
more than one computer with EMC2 on it (with or without machine
tool)?

But, I see EMC2 has a REALLY good showing, currently 33%!

Jon

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Re: [Emc-users] STOP RIGHT NOW...

2012-08-03 Thread Chris Radek
On Fri, Aug 03, 2012 at 11:42:02AM -0500, Jon Elson wrote:
 
 But, I see EMC2 has a REALLY good showing, currently 33%!

Well if it's posted on the emc-users list, this is hardly surprising.
Matt, how do you want to use these numbers?  What is this for?


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Re: [Emc-users] STOP RIGHT NOW...

2012-08-03 Thread Steve Stallings
Like any self selected participant survey, the
results should be taken with a grain of salt.

The instigator of this survey was Bob Warfield
of CNC Cookbook fame. See:

 http://blog.cnccookbook.com/2012/07/31/survey-which-cnc-control-do-you-use/



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 On Fri, Aug 03, 2012 at 11:42:02AM -0500, Jon Elson wrote:
  
  But, I see EMC2 has a REALLY good showing, currently 33%!
 
 Well if it's posted on the emc-users list, this is hardly surprising.
 Matt, how do you want to use these numbers?  What is this for?
 


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Re: [Emc-users] STOP RIGHT NOW...

2012-08-03 Thread Matt Shaver
On Fri, 3 Aug 2012 09:56:36 -0500
Chris Radek ch...@timeguy.com wrote:

 What the heck, Matt.  I don't see linuxcnc on there.

It's not my poll, it's this:

http://blog.cnccookbook.com/2012/08/02/cnc-control-market-shares-what-are-the-most-popular-controls/

Thanks,
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Re: [Emc-users] STOP RIGHT NOW...

2012-08-03 Thread sam sokolik
Bob is a mach guy (seems like a nice guy otherwise..) ;) .  He cannot 
understand why you would need or want true closed loop control, realtime 
os - non buffered system.  Peter tried to convince him :)

http://www.cnczone.com/forums/1040843-post61.html

sam

On 8/3/2012 12:55 PM, Steve Stallings wrote:
 Like any self selected participant survey, the
 results should be taken with a grain of salt.

 The instigator of this survey was Bob Warfield
 of CNC Cookbook fame. See:

   http://blog.cnccookbook.com/2012/07/31/survey-which-cnc-control-do-you-use/



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 On Fri, Aug 03, 2012 at 11:42:02AM -0500, Jon Elson wrote:
 But, I see EMC2 has a REALLY good showing, currently 33%!
 Well if it's posted on the emc-users list, this is hardly surprising.
 Matt, how do you want to use these numbers?  What is this for?


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Re: [Emc-users] STOP RIGHT NOW...

2012-08-03 Thread Matt Shaver
On Fri, 3 Aug 2012 11:46:00 -0500
Chris Radek ch...@timeguy.com wrote:

 Well if it's posted on the emc-users list, this is hardly surprising.
 Matt, how do you want to use these numbers?  What is this for?

This is a poll by Bob Warfield of cnccookbook.com. In the link I posted
above

( 
blog.cnccookbook.com/2012/08/02/cnc-control-market-shares-what-are-the-most-popular-controls/
)

there is a preliminary analysis of their poll data in which they
state:

I suspect most Mach3 users wouldn’t have guessed LinuxCNC was
as big as it is.  I know I was surprised.  I wish I had data over time
in order to understand whether it was always this big or whether it has
been steadily gaining share at Mach3′s expense.

I get the feeling that the Mach folks feel that they own the world, so
I wanted to be sure that linuxcnc (EMC2) was fairly represented. I
really mean FAIRLY! I don't want any ballet stuffing or any other funny
business, just a result that represents the widest possible sampling of
the real world.

Thanks,
Matt

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Re: [Emc-users] STOP RIGHT NOW...

2012-08-03 Thread jeremy youngs
33% 2 hrs ago 39 now I think posting this was a good thing admittedly
i was concerned it was spam so i checked carefully thanx. We need
recognition and i am happy to see someone helping that
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Re: [Emc-users] STOP RIGHT NOW...

2012-08-03 Thread Mike Payson
On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 10:34 AM, Matt Shaver m...@mattshaver.com wrote:

 I suspect most Mach3 users wouldn’t have guessed LinuxCNC was
 as big as it is.  I know I was surprised.  I wish I had data over time
 in order to understand whether it was always this big or whether it has
 been steadily gaining share at Mach3′s expense.


Unfortunately, this survey tells us nothing at all about the real
popularity of anything. All we can tell for sure is that more Mach users
have heard about the poll. The matter is made worse by the tiny sample
set-- he is reaching conclusions based a sample of only 100
non-randomly-selected users. Unfortunately the two factors together combine
to make the matter effectively meaningless.
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Re: [Emc-users] STOP RIGHT NOW...

2012-08-03 Thread jeremy youngs
all of the above is absolutely true mike , in my case however i had to
chek the mazak fanuc 10, fanuc other, yasnac, haas and mach as i have
used it in tormach. It does appear that by the results shown this is a
hobbiest pole. Any press for us is good and the results so far at
least show we are not a has run

On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 4:29 PM, Mike Payson mikepay...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 10:34 AM, Matt Shaver m...@mattshaver.com wrote:

 I suspect most Mach3 users wouldn’t have guessed LinuxCNC was
 as big as it is.  I know I was surprised.  I wish I had data over time
 in order to understand whether it was always this big or whether it has
 been steadily gaining share at Mach3′s expense.


 Unfortunately, this survey tells us nothing at all about the real
 popularity of anything. All we can tell for sure is that more Mach users
 have heard about the poll. The matter is made worse by the tiny sample
 set-- he is reaching conclusions based a sample of only 100
 non-randomly-selected users. Unfortunately the two factors together combine
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Re: [Emc-users] STOP RIGHT NOW...

2012-08-03 Thread Eric Keller
On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 4:29 PM, Mike Payson mikepay...@gmail.com wrote:

 Unfortunately, this survey tells us nothing at all about the real
 popularity of anything. All we can tell for sure is that more Mach users
 have heard about the poll. The matter is made worse by the tiny sample
 set-- he is reaching conclusions based a sample of only 100
 non-randomly-selected users. Unfortunately the two factors together combine
 to make the matter effectively meaningless.
 --
To be perfectly honest, I'm not sure how much this affects most of us.
 Anyone that wants to use anything other than step/dir usually ends up
using linuxcnc eventually anyway.  And Linuxcnc garners a reasonable
portion of the step/dir market too.  I'm convinced Mach will
eventually succumb  to Microsoft anklebiting.  Of course, using PCs
for anything useful may eventually succumb to the iPad syndrome, but
who knows?

There are lots of people that are using Linuxcnc that we never hear
from.  The person that is responsible for the Shapeoko project, Edward
Ford, is almost never heard from, but he's using Linuxcnc.  I don't
think most home cnc machines get any public exposure, and the
commercial machines that use linuxcnc are even less likely to get
public exposure.  Popularity isn't that important to most users.
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Re: [Emc-users] can't jog using handwheel with gantrykins

2012-08-03 Thread andy pugh
On 17 July 2012 17:38, Sebastian Kuzminsky s...@highlab.com wrote:
 Incremental jogging (as with a hand wheel) doesn't work with gantrykins :-(

 Continuous jogging does, but that doesn't help you much.

I am not sure that is true either.

I am looking at a config from the forum, and there is quite clearly no
acceleration limiting applied when keyboard jogging that (gantrykins)
config. In the case of the config I am looking at this was leading to
f-errors because the stepgen access were low enough to show it.
There is acceleration limiting in a trivkins config. I find the
difference a bit puzzling.
(This is with version 2.5.1)

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Re: [Emc-users] can't jog using handwheel with gantrykins

2012-08-03 Thread andy pugh
On 3 August 2012 23:24, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote:

 I am looking at a config from the forum, and there is quite clearly no
 acceleration limiting applied when keyboard jogging that (gantrykins)
 config.

… And that is because there is no [TRAJ] DEFAULT_VELOCITY

It looks like a PNCConf config, so perhaps one for Chris M.

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Re: [Emc-users] STOP RIGHT NOW...

2012-08-03 Thread jeremy youngs
on a similar note co we track how many times the live cd is
downloaded? Or perhaps the number of updates? If we did it seems we
would have numbers that were at least useable ? just thoughts

On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 5:05 PM, Eric Keller eekel...@psu.edu wrote:
 On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 4:29 PM, Mike Payson mikepay...@gmail.com wrote:

 Unfortunately, this survey tells us nothing at all about the real
 popularity of anything. All we can tell for sure is that more Mach users
 have heard about the poll. The matter is made worse by the tiny sample
 set-- he is reaching conclusions based a sample of only 100
 non-randomly-selected users. Unfortunately the two factors together combine
 to make the matter effectively meaningless.
 --
 To be perfectly honest, I'm not sure how much this affects most of us.
  Anyone that wants to use anything other than step/dir usually ends up
 using linuxcnc eventually anyway.  And Linuxcnc garners a reasonable
 portion of the step/dir market too.  I'm convinced Mach will
 eventually succumb  to Microsoft anklebiting.  Of course, using PCs
 for anything useful may eventually succumb to the iPad syndrome, but
 who knows?

 There are lots of people that are using Linuxcnc that we never hear
 from.  The person that is responsible for the Shapeoko project, Edward
 Ford, is almost never heard from, but he's using Linuxcnc.  I don't
 think most home cnc machines get any public exposure, and the
 commercial machines that use linuxcnc are even less likely to get
 public exposure.  Popularity isn't that important to most users.
 Eric Keller

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Re: [Emc-users] STOP RIGHT NOW...

2012-08-03 Thread Jon Elson
Matt Shaver wrote:
 and take this poll:

 http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/DB68YQF

 Thanks,
 Matt

 P.S. No ballet box stuffing and be honest, OK?
   
Hey, we're now IN THE LEAD!  Amazing!

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Re: [Emc-users] STOP RIGHT NOW...

2012-08-03 Thread andy pugh
On 4 August 2012 02:46, Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com wrote:

 Hey, we're now IN THE LEAD!  Amazing!

Bad stats. For example the other section in the summary is clearly
the result of 10 responses in total. i.e., one or two of each.

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Re: [Emc-users] STOP RIGHT NOW...

2012-08-03 Thread jeremy youngs
i wonder if he will adjust his biased pie charts ?
http://blog.cnccookbook.com/2012/08/02/cnc-control-market-shares-what-are-the-most-popular-controls/

On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 9:46 PM, Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com wrote:
 Matt Shaver wrote:
 and take this poll:

 http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/DB68YQF

 Thanks,
 Matt

 P.S. No ballet box stuffing and be honest, OK?

 Hey, we're now IN THE LEAD!  Amazing!

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[Emc-users] file sharing

2012-08-03 Thread jeremy youngs
thinking again, Andy i was checking your gmail profile with the cnc
stuff in it and found the pictures of your encoder it occurred to me
that the group may benefit from a gcode file sharing ability and even
cad cam. I was really impressed with the encoder was the wheel made
from circuit board? also the motor that you built is it a servo?
making engines work ?
i spent 15 yrs of life as an auto tech before moving to manufacturing
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Re: [Emc-users] file sharing

2012-08-03 Thread andy pugh
On 4 August 2012 04:02, jeremy youngs jcyoung...@gmail.com wrote:
  it occurred to me
 that the group may benefit from a gcode file sharing ability

I don't think that we have a suitable area for that, so you might have
a point. You can post files to the Wiki (but that might not be
appropriate) or to the forum (but they will get buried). A dedicated,
open, Gcode file dump might be worth having.

  I was really impressed with the encoder was the wheel made
 from circuit board?

Which one? I have so-far made 6 encoders using 5 different techniques
(laser print, machining, etching, paying money, using existing machine
gears).

 also the motor that you built is it a servo?

Yes, it's a slightly special 3-phase brushless servo.

 making engines work ?

My day-job is programming diesel-engine control modules for a motor
manufacturer with a blue, oval, badge.

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Re: [Emc-users] file sharing

2012-08-03 Thread jeremy youngs
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-T220N7Tiw8E/TwTD78fzoQI/BRM/rJ_xLsUUfC4/w269-h204-n-k/IMG_0272.JPG
this one

Im speculating in england you are programming implements if not Im
very familiar with th 7.3 D.I.T and the 6.0 the 7.3 ran very well and
the 6.0 im not in love with in 04 when it was introduced i swapped
badges and went to work for a crappy american company that has had
financial touble for 30 yrs or more :)

Im pretty into yahoo groups also, they dont have a tremendous amount
of file space but several groups i belong to just make more groups for
files with consecutive names its just a thought. But think if you
spend all the time drawing and programming if we did dump that would
be of benefit to share. Which encoder did you like the best?

3phase ive got several (6?) 3phase motors and controllers with sla
7082? bldc chips attached and when i finish the mill i want to convert
my rivettt lathe with them and need encoder for it.

On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 11:16 PM, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 4 August 2012 04:02, jeremy youngs jcyoung...@gmail.com wrote:
  it occurred to me
 that the group may benefit from a gcode file sharing ability

 I don't think that we have a suitable area for that, so you might have
 a point. You can post files to the Wiki (but that might not be
 appropriate) or to the forum (but they will get buried). A dedicated,
 open, Gcode file dump might be worth having.

  I was really impressed with the encoder was the wheel made
 from circuit board?

 Which one? I have so-far made 6 encoders using 5 different techniques
 (laser print, machining, etching, paying money, using existing machine
 gears).

 also the motor that you built is it a servo?

 Yes, it's a slightly special 3-phase brushless servo.

 making engines work ?

 My day-job is programming diesel-engine control modules for a motor
 manufacturer with a blue, oval, badge.

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