Re: [Emc-users] MPG that is compatible with EMC2?
i wonder about e bay? ive seen them there I have often wondered though if they are professional grade jeremy youngs -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Mach on Linux
On Sun, 7 Oct 2012 23:10:04 +0100, you wrote: >On 7 October 2012 22:40, Jon Elson wrote: > >>> Not only does the Mach3 interface remind me of three-year-olds with >>> crayons with all of its flashy thingies and inconsistent methods >> Ah HAH! So I'm NOT the only one who thinks that! > >I can't recall who it was who said that Mach UIs tended to look like >fruit machines. >(slot machine / one-armed bandit) but there is definitely that tendency Me, John Stevenson, John Prentice, Dave and many others, but strangely, many newbies, who paid a license fee like screens with faux wood effects, etc. I, for my sins, wrote the lathe screens. I got slagged terribly - but they were the closest copy of Fanuc screens that were possible with the tools available at the time suitable for a touch screen monitor. Commercial ops liked them, everybody else hated them :) The standard mill screens are so cluttered with obtuse crap that they are a joke. I still use Mach for most things, because I can jog in feedhold and CV works, and I can count on one hand the number of times I've been off the first screen. The interface is very much secondary to me, I can ignore the bells and whistles, all I want to do is load my CAM produced program and run it on a touch screen. If something untoward happens I want to be able to feed hold, jog away, clear some swarf, check it, replace an insert, reset a tool offset or touch off again and run. I can do it with Mach, but not with Linuxcnc. Please don't tell me that you can do it with a stop / "run from here" both Mach and Linuxcnc depend on how intelligent you choice of line was. Steve Blackmore -- -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
[Emc-users] MPG that is compatible with EMC2?
I am messing around with a very interesting Lagunmatic 5HP CNC milling machine that has a bad VFD drive. The drive is being professionally repaired. What I noticed is that this machine has an awesome MPG. You switch X, y and Z and turn it and the machine advances very precisely. I wanted to know if there is a commercial off-the-shelf product that could work with EMC2? Preferably USB based? Any pointers? Thanks -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] LCD Interface
On 8 October 2012 00:27, Eric H. Johnson wrote: > I submitted a patch for this to the > lcdproc list, but it was never applied. The does seem to be a recurring problem with FOSS projects, including LinuxCNC. If a patch is unlucky, it just doesn't get noticed. I wonder if they might have inadvertently fixed the problem in the meantime. -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Mach on Linux
>> But you need to specify which Mach screen set you are talking about Doesn't matter. Most Mach3 users chose Mach3 because either A) its popular and more well known - a CNC catch phrase if-you-will; or B) they are afraid of Linux. Now B is not necessarily the cause of A, but I would bet that most Mach3 users are both A & B. Maybe its not fair to stereotype, but I'd have to say that most Mach3 users tend to be the less technical users and never ever make it past the default screen sets. Any Mach3 users posting on the LinuxCNC mailing list are amongst the exceptions. Keep in mind, I spend 80% of my working day speaking to both Mach3 and LinuxCNC users, but mostly Mach3 users because of the reasons above and because LinuxCNC users tend to need less help. I'm trying not to speak in absolutes, but I observe it day in day out. Your experiences may differ. >Len -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] LCD Interface
Andy, I wrote that some years ago. It is specifically designed for use on 4x20 LCD displays like those available through Matrix-Orbital, Crystal-Fontz, etc. and similar displays supported by the lcdproc library. One of the main limitations was that the jog buttons do not work properly without a patch to the LCDProc library. Specifically individual key press and key release events are not detected in the standard library, although Matrix-Orbital does support them. I submitted a patch for this to the lcdproc list, but it was never applied. I have not looked at it in several years, so that may no longer be the case. As a result, I never considered it production ready, and thus never made an announcement. It was originally name emclcd until the recent rebranding. Regards, Eric I have just noticed that there is an LCD user interface for LinuxCNC. (linuxcnclcd). Has anyone tried using it? I don't think it does the same thing as the LCD HAL module that I am playing with, it seems aimed at doing all of the user interface in a 4x20 LCD with some buttons. I can see situations where that might be quite cool, though. -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Mach on Linux
Dave wrote: > That has been a long standing complaint of Mach3 for many, many years. > > For some reason they never got around to cleaning up the standard screen > set. > > I have idea why. > > I am sure that when Art first made up that screen, that he thought it > would be revised in 6 months or so.. but it never happened. Well I ship a single screen package with all the machines I supply. I don't recognise 'full of bugs' ... it turns out production quantities on my customers sites happily day in day out. I would not use it with a lathe, but for a 3 or 4 axis mill it does a job and has done for years. Now LinucCNC does have an alternative to that package these days, but while something is working customers tend not to want to change, so Mach4 will compete with a current LinuxCNC build on a more level playing field. But new offerings are shipped with both Mach3 and LinuxCNC at the moment until I get more practical experience in production ... and can support customers over the phone :) -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Mach on Linux
> But a competitor to LinuxCNC in Mach4? Well as someone who takes CNC > technical support calls everyday, my opinion is tainted by Mach3. > > Not only does the Mach3 interface remind me of three-year-olds with > crayons with all of its flashy thingies and inconsistent methods, but > Mach3 is full of bugs that I doubt that the developers are even aware > of. I think its terrible that they charge $175 for a license without > offering sufficient support. They take your money but then instruct you > to fill all of your support needs through the community. I would NEVER > buy a brand-new retail product from any company without having a > telephone number to call them on. > > A lot of hobbyists look at it as the entrance fee to get into the "club" so they can participate in the forum, which is really the basis for Mach3's support. Compared to anything CNC related, $175 is pretty cheap.For instance - a single Gecko 203V stepper drive going for about $140 now. Still, if I have problems with a Gecko 203V drive I can pickup the phone and call them and they do answer the phone. The last time I called Geckodrive with a tech issue on a G540 drive earlier this year, Marris answered the phone (the founder of the company) and I talked with him for almost an hour! > Why do I think they are unaware of the bugs? Because they don't have any > bug reporting built into the software, and they don't have a phone to > call. Some users will go through the support forums, but most of them > are calling us. They used to call Keling, too - but he got sick of all > the Mach3 calls so he quit publishing his phone number (although it > looks like he decided to give it another try upon launching his re-brand). > > You might know this, but there was a bug tracking system setup a while ago.. and lots and lots of bugs were reported and the list started to get pretty long. After a while, the list disappeared. For some reason it wasn't working so good?? So it was quietly removed. Hmm > At least once a week we are able to fix a Mach3 issue by uninstalling > and reinstalling Mach3 - often times because Mach3 quit accessing the > parallel port. But most of the time the issues are just bizarre > behavior, like moving over 4" in the Y approx 2 hours into a 4 hour > file, and continuing like nothing happened. Very hard to witness because > of the time frame, but also impossible to resolve. > > More than a few XML file corruption issues also I suppose? There has been known structural issues with the Mach3 for years, and that is really the gist of why Mach4 is being developed from "scratch" more or less. There is too much to fix in Mach3. > Most people choose Mach3 because they want to have a single box to run > their CAD, CAM,& control software on, or they are just afraid of Linux. > What is not obvious is that to get it to even be half-way reliable - you > have to strip down Windows to bare bones operation and never run any > other software on that machine - which completely defeats the purpose. > > In Mach3's defense - I imagine that most of its problems comes from > Windows. But loading a driver that sits underneath Windows (as it was > described to me) is a hack, at best - and it just sounds dirty. > > Windows is not real time by a long shot. However much of Mach3 was written with the premise that tasks "will" execute in a timely manner, even though that cannot be guaranteed with Windows. So Mach3 works "most of the time"... unless those exceptions occur. Then... not so well. Hopefully Mach4 will operate in a different manner. That said; I have had good luck using Mach3 in the past on some commercial machines by stripping Windows down to almost nothing, (no other programs run at the same time), I don't use any fancy VB macros, and I offload other logic tasks to a small PLC connected to Mach3 via Modbus.The PC only runs Gcode and communicates to the PLC to turn bits on and off via Mcodes. Beyond that I use LinuxCNC as it is much more powerful, flexible, and reliable. > Will Mach4 be any better? I don't know. Are they gonna start taking > phone calls? If not, then I suspect little will change in the bugs > department. If they can't handle all of the bugs on Windows given all of > its different hardware/software configuration possibilities, then why do > they think they can pile on more by porting it to Linux and Mac? > > Don't be joy killerEveryone needs to dream once in a while.. ;-) > With LinuxCNC, if you make it to the live environment from the CD, then > Ubuntu found all of the drivers it needs and it will install and work > flawlessly. Sure it can be more difficult to configure advanced features > - but that's only because it is far more flexible and powerful. LinuxCNC > also does not have telephone support, but LinuxCNC does not have the > sort of problems that require telephone support. > > So is Mach4 a new competitor to LinuxCNC - not in my opinion,
Re: [Emc-users] Mach on Linux
> Len Shelton wrote: >> > >> >Not only does the Mach3 interface remind me of three-year-olds with >> >crayons with all of its flashy thingies and inconsistent methods > Ah HAH! So I'm NOT the only one who thinks that! > > Jon But you need to specify which Mach screen set you are talking about- there are truly hundreds around, including in English and several languages. Several are even products which people sell as addons. They are not all the same by any measure. And I contend that is one of Machs major strengths. Among others I am familiar with screen sets that operate a brownie cutter in a bakery and an OEM that sells many hundreds of quilting machines per year. Im sure none of you have even seen those screen sets. ron ginger -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Mach on Linux
On 7 October 2012 22:40, Jon Elson wrote: >> Not only does the Mach3 interface remind me of three-year-olds with >> crayons with all of its flashy thingies and inconsistent methods > Ah HAH! So I'm NOT the only one who thinks that! I can't recall who it was who said that Mach UIs tended to look like fruit machines. (slot machine / one-armed bandit) but there is definitely that tendency -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Mach on Linux
Get in line Jon.. ;-) That has been a long standing complaint of Mach3 for many, many years. For some reason they never got around to cleaning up the standard screen set. I have idea why. I am sure that when Art first made up that screen, that he thought it would be revised in 6 months or so.. but it never happened. Dave On 10/7/2012 5:40 PM, Jon Elson wrote: > Len Shelton wrote: > >> Not only does the Mach3 interface remind me of three-year-olds with >> crayons with all of its flashy thingies and inconsistent methods >> > Ah HAH! So I'm NOT the only one who thinks that! > > Jon > > -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Mach on Linux
Len Shelton wrote: > > Not only does the Mach3 interface remind me of three-year-olds with > crayons with all of its flashy thingies and inconsistent methods Ah HAH! So I'm NOT the only one who thinks that! Jon -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Mach on Linux
On Sun, 2012-10-07 at 12:11 -0500, Len Shelton wrote: > >> The best thing is it will help Linux get out of the 'for geeks > only' view that many people have. > > I doubt this will be the case because its mostly geeks who are doing the > CNC thing. If you have a CNC machine and you think you are not a geek - > you are in denial. > > But a competitor to LinuxCNC in Mach4? Well as someone who takes CNC > technical support calls everyday, my opinion is tainted by Mach3. > > Not only does the Mach3 interface remind me of three-year-olds with > crayons with all of its flashy thingies and inconsistent methods, but > Mach3 is full of bugs that I doubt that the developers are even aware > of. I think its terrible that they charge $175 for a license without > offering sufficient support. They take your money but then instruct you > to fill all of your support needs through the community. I would NEVER > buy a brand-new retail product from any company without having a > telephone number to call them on. > > Why do I think they are unaware of the bugs? Because they don't have any > bug reporting built into the software, and they don't have a phone to > call. Some users will go through the support forums, but most of them > are calling us. They used to call Keling, too - but he got sick of all > the Mach3 calls so he quit publishing his phone number (although it > looks like he decided to give it another try upon launching his re-brand). > > At least once a week we are able to fix a Mach3 issue by uninstalling > and reinstalling Mach3 - often times because Mach3 quit accessing the > parallel port. But most of the time the issues are just bizarre > behavior, like moving over 4" in the Y approx 2 hours into a 4 hour > file, and continuing like nothing happened. Very hard to witness because > of the time frame, but also impossible to resolve. > > Most people choose Mach3 because they want to have a single box to run > their CAD, CAM, & control software on, or they are just afraid of Linux. > What is not obvious is that to get it to even be half-way reliable - you > have to strip down Windows to bare bones operation and never run any > other software on that machine - which completely defeats the purpose. > > In Mach3's defense - I imagine that most of its problems comes from > Windows. But loading a driver that sits underneath Windows (as it was > described to me) is a hack, at best - and it just sounds dirty. > > Will Mach4 be any better? I don't know. Are they gonna start taking > phone calls? If not, then I suspect little will change in the bugs > department. If they can't handle all of the bugs on Windows given all of > its different hardware/software configuration possibilities, then why do > they think they can pile on more by porting it to Linux and Mac? > > With LinuxCNC, if you make it to the live environment from the CD, then > Ubuntu found all of the drivers it needs and it will install and work > flawlessly. Sure it can be more difficult to configure advanced features > - but that's only because it is far more flexible and powerful. LinuxCNC > also does not have telephone support, but LinuxCNC does not have the > sort of problems that require telephone support. > > So is Mach4 a new competitor to LinuxCNC - not in my opinion, not even > close. > > >Len So in a nutshell: no sweat! They do their thing and we do ours. Dave > > > > On 10/6/2012 6:14 PM, Jack Coats wrote: > > I am a Linux and open source advocate for just about every use, but I > > do see good things from there being commercial software available for > > Linux too. > > > > > > > > Will LinuxCNC and Mach go head to head? Yes, for some. But I don't > > see Mach taking over the machine control market on Linux, but it will > > be a good tool to add to the quiver of things that run on Linux, > > proving that Linux isn't 'just for geeks'. > > > > I spoke to a geek from Oracle that was running Oracle on Linux long > > before it was 'made available' on Linux. Not releasing it for Linux > > was totally a marketing decision. The developer I spoke with said he > > had to change a couple of includes when he re-compiled a little, but > > it was considered a 'no change' port from his perspective. (Oracle was > > mainly running on SUN at the time). And it was a big deal for > > 'commercial users' to get Oracle supported on Linux, giving Linux a > > lot of legitimacy. I see the Mach change to just be another positive > > step. > > > > -- > > Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM > > Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly > > what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app > > Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! > > http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev > > ___ > > Emc-users ma
Re: [Emc-users] LCD Interface
On 7 October 2012 20:26, Igor Chudov wrote: > Really, this is interesting, what is it? It looks like you should just be able to set [DISPLAY] DISPLAY=linuxcnclcd And control LinuxCNC with an LCD panel. The source file (src/user_intf/emclcd.cc) seems to suggest using the Matrix Orbital MX4 http://www.matrixorbital.ca/products/mx_series/mx4/ But that is probably no longer available. http://www.kustompcs.co.uk/acatalog/info_2960.html Looks close. They appear to be generically drive-bay LCD inserts with buttons and USB or Serial connection to the PC. You can imagine a small format PC with just an LCD in the drive bay to control a simple machine. I just tried it, and it appeared to be trying to work, but not finding an LCD (not a great surprise) -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] LCD Interface
Really, this is interesting, what is it? On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 2:06 PM, andy pugh wrote: > I have just noticed that there is an LCD user interface for LinuxCNC. > > (linuxcnclcd). > > Has anyone tried using it? > I don't think it does the same thing as the LCD HAL module that I am > playing with, it seems aimed at doing all of the user interface in a > 4x20 LCD with some buttons. > I can see situations where that might be quite cool, though. > > -- > atp > If you can't fix it, you don't own it. > http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto > > > -- > Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM > Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly > what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app > Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! > http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
[Emc-users] LCD Interface
I have just noticed that there is an LCD user interface for LinuxCNC. (linuxcnclcd). Has anyone tried using it? I don't think it does the same thing as the LCD HAL module that I am playing with, it seems aimed at doing all of the user interface in a 4x20 LCD with some buttons. I can see situations where that might be quite cool, though. -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Mach on Linux
>> The best thing is it will help Linux get out of the 'for geeks only' view that many people have. I doubt this will be the case because its mostly geeks who are doing the CNC thing. If you have a CNC machine and you think you are not a geek - you are in denial. But a competitor to LinuxCNC in Mach4? Well as someone who takes CNC technical support calls everyday, my opinion is tainted by Mach3. Not only does the Mach3 interface remind me of three-year-olds with crayons with all of its flashy thingies and inconsistent methods, but Mach3 is full of bugs that I doubt that the developers are even aware of. I think its terrible that they charge $175 for a license without offering sufficient support. They take your money but then instruct you to fill all of your support needs through the community. I would NEVER buy a brand-new retail product from any company without having a telephone number to call them on. Why do I think they are unaware of the bugs? Because they don't have any bug reporting built into the software, and they don't have a phone to call. Some users will go through the support forums, but most of them are calling us. They used to call Keling, too - but he got sick of all the Mach3 calls so he quit publishing his phone number (although it looks like he decided to give it another try upon launching his re-brand). At least once a week we are able to fix a Mach3 issue by uninstalling and reinstalling Mach3 - often times because Mach3 quit accessing the parallel port. But most of the time the issues are just bizarre behavior, like moving over 4" in the Y approx 2 hours into a 4 hour file, and continuing like nothing happened. Very hard to witness because of the time frame, but also impossible to resolve. Most people choose Mach3 because they want to have a single box to run their CAD, CAM, & control software on, or they are just afraid of Linux. What is not obvious is that to get it to even be half-way reliable - you have to strip down Windows to bare bones operation and never run any other software on that machine - which completely defeats the purpose. In Mach3's defense - I imagine that most of its problems comes from Windows. But loading a driver that sits underneath Windows (as it was described to me) is a hack, at best - and it just sounds dirty. Will Mach4 be any better? I don't know. Are they gonna start taking phone calls? If not, then I suspect little will change in the bugs department. If they can't handle all of the bugs on Windows given all of its different hardware/software configuration possibilities, then why do they think they can pile on more by porting it to Linux and Mac? With LinuxCNC, if you make it to the live environment from the CD, then Ubuntu found all of the drivers it needs and it will install and work flawlessly. Sure it can be more difficult to configure advanced features - but that's only because it is far more flexible and powerful. LinuxCNC also does not have telephone support, but LinuxCNC does not have the sort of problems that require telephone support. So is Mach4 a new competitor to LinuxCNC - not in my opinion, not even close. >Len On 10/6/2012 6:14 PM, Jack Coats wrote: > I am a Linux and open source advocate for just about every use, but I > do see good things from there being commercial software available for > Linux too. > > > > Will LinuxCNC and Mach go head to head? Yes, for some. But I don't > see Mach taking over the machine control market on Linux, but it will > be a good tool to add to the quiver of things that run on Linux, > proving that Linux isn't 'just for geeks'. > > I spoke to a geek from Oracle that was running Oracle on Linux long > before it was 'made available' on Linux. Not releasing it for Linux > was totally a marketing decision. The developer I spoke with said he > had to change a couple of includes when he re-compiled a little, but > it was considered a 'no change' port from his perspective. (Oracle was > mainly running on SUN at the time). And it was a big deal for > 'commercial users' to get Oracle supported on Linux, giving Linux a > lot of legitimacy. I see the Mach change to just be another positive > step. > > -- > Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM > Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly > what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app > Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! > http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and kno
