Re: [Emc-users] Linuxcnc OEM?
So is "Next Generation Control" where the .ngc file extension for LinuxCNC g-code files comes from? -- Ralph From: Todd Zuercher [to...@pgrahamdunn.com] Sent: Friday, July 22, 2022 11:55 AM To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Linuxcnc OEM? CAUTION: This email originated from outside the Walla Walla University email system. The earliest published papers I can find on EMC at the NIST website are dated 1993+. Here is a link to the 1993 paper. https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftsapps.nist.gov%2Fpublication%2Fget_pdf.cfm%3Fpub_id%3D820482data=05%7C01%7Cralph.stirling%40wallawalla.edu%7C97e0ca31bf884cccd02108da6c13d1fe%7Cd958f048e43142779c8debfb75e7aa64%7C0%7C0%7C637941129637384642%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7Csdata=JwgpKqLmsNb4rcDVK5wlfUnjKI0gO5lK4%2FyLKxawCBg%3Dreserved=0. The page Brian linked to (from old Linuxcnc Docs) has a link to an NIST paper (dated 2000) that mentions that the EMC project officially began in 1992. And was inspired by, grew out of, or was at least influenced by a "Next Generation Control" program funded by the USAF and started around 1987. These and a number of other historic papers on the subject can be easily found on the NIST website. Just got the NIST's home pate click publications and search for "Enhanced Machine Controller". Todd Zuercher P. Graham Dunn Inc. 630 Henry Street Dalton, Ohio 44618 Phone: (330)828-2105ext. 2031 -Original Message- From: BRIAN GLACKIN Sent: Friday, July 22, 2022 11:59 AM To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Linuxcnc OEM? [EXTERNAL EMAIL] Be sure links are safe. Buried in the various lists are history snips of the development of what we know know as LCNC. Earliest dates I have seen for work on this was mid 1980s. Heres one such snip https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flinuxcnc.org%2Fdocs%2Fhtml%2Fcommon%2Femc-history.htmldata=05%7C01%7Cralph.stirling%40wallawalla.edu%7C97e0ca31bf884cccd02108da6c13d1fe%7Cd958f048e43142779c8debfb75e7aa64%7C0%7C0%7C637941129637384642%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7Csdata=3DfCrIRbMXxmY2QfCB3nASbgPWg6qnT9jtCqElf3ydk%3Dreserved=0 On Fri, Jul 22, 2022 at 8:53 AM Todd Zuercher wrote: > I think the page that linked to it said that it was published in 1994. > But I agree it is odd that the date isn't in the paper itself. > > Todd Zuercher > P. Graham Dunn Inc. > 630 Henry Street > Dalton, Ohio 44618 > Phone: (330)828-2105ext. 2031 > > -Original Message- > From: John Dammeyer > Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2022 3:43 PM > To: 'Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)' > > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Linuxcnc OEM? > > [EXTERNAL EMAIL] Be sure links are safe. > > Interesting that a document like that doesn't have a date. > > > -Original Message- > > From: Todd Zuercher [mailto:to...@pgrahamdunn.com] > > Sent: July-21-22 6:57 AM > > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Linuxcnc OEM? > > > > That isn't quite how I read this. > > https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fnam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com%2F%3Furl%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Ftsdata=05%7C01%7Cralph.stirling%40wallawalla.edu%7C97e0ca31bf884cccd02108da6c13d1fe%7Cd958f048e43142779c8debfb75e7aa64%7C0%7C0%7C637941129637384642%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7Csdata=lu8vi3h7CABwGFZAVzfiIh4Z77%2FDH9IakT5RLeLHiw4%3Dreserved=0 > > ap > > ps.nist.gov%2Fpublication%2Fget_pdf.cfm%3Fpub_id%3D820252data=0 > > 5% > > 7C01%7Ctoddz%40pgrahamdunn.com%7C88e644dce51b4c4f1d9908da6b515c04%7C > > 57 > > 58544c573f47cebee96c3e0806fb43%7C0%7C0%7C637940294428622958%7CUnknow > > n% > > 7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLC > > JX > > VCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7Csdata=kULzq7GHrdEhnT5bwkGS4m%2FJ4W7Ca > > wt > > b1KwFiHDYaLs%3Dreserved=0 > > > > Todd Zuercher > > P. Graham Dunn Inc. > > 630 Henry Street > > Dalton, Ohio 44618 > > Phone: (330)828-2105ext. 2031 > > > > -Original Message- > > From: dave engvall > > Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2022 9:37 AM > > To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Linuxcnc OEM? > > > > [EXTERNAL EMAIL] Be sure links are safe. > > > > One has to remember that emc was written not as a machine controller > > but to demonstrate the concept of communication between machines. In > like manner steppers were an add-on. > > Linuxcnc is only alive today because of a critical mass of dedicated > volunteer programmers. > > > > Dave > > On 7/21/22 2:32 AM, andy pugh wrote: > > > On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 at 03:22, Charles Steinkuehler > > > wrote: > > >> I'm not sure of their international shipping details, but > > >> Probotix sells LCNC based routers: > > >> > >
Re: [Emc-users] Linuxcnc OEM?
The earliest published papers I can find on EMC at the NIST website are dated 1993+. Here is a link to the 1993 paper. https://tsapps.nist.gov/publication/get_pdf.cfm?pub_id=820482. The page Brian linked to (from old Linuxcnc Docs) has a link to an NIST paper (dated 2000) that mentions that the EMC project officially began in 1992. And was inspired by, grew out of, or was at least influenced by a "Next Generation Control" program funded by the USAF and started around 1987. These and a number of other historic papers on the subject can be easily found on the NIST website. Just got the NIST's home pate click publications and search for "Enhanced Machine Controller". Todd Zuercher P. Graham Dunn Inc. 630 Henry Street Dalton, Ohio 44618 Phone: (330)828-2105ext. 2031 -Original Message- From: BRIAN GLACKIN Sent: Friday, July 22, 2022 11:59 AM To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Linuxcnc OEM? [EXTERNAL EMAIL] Be sure links are safe. Buried in the various lists are history snips of the development of what we know know as LCNC. Earliest dates I have seen for work on this was mid 1980s. Heres one such snip https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flinuxcnc.org%2Fdocs%2Fhtml%2Fcommon%2Femc-history.htmldata=05%7C01%7Ctoddz%40pgrahamdunn.com%7Cdc58204c71e4405b68b708da6bfb418f%7C5758544c573f47cebee96c3e0806fb43%7C0%7C0%7C637941024144676386%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7Csdata=DL4WJ84D5HDun67%2B6s8cwv29%2BwsYKo5pBUvDZyMoRDs%3Dreserved=0 On Fri, Jul 22, 2022 at 8:53 AM Todd Zuercher wrote: > I think the page that linked to it said that it was published in 1994. > But I agree it is odd that the date isn't in the paper itself. > > Todd Zuercher > P. Graham Dunn Inc. > 630 Henry Street > Dalton, Ohio 44618 > Phone: (330)828-2105ext. 2031 > > -Original Message- > From: John Dammeyer > Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2022 3:43 PM > To: 'Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)' > > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Linuxcnc OEM? > > [EXTERNAL EMAIL] Be sure links are safe. > > Interesting that a document like that doesn't have a date. > > > -Original Message- > > From: Todd Zuercher [mailto:to...@pgrahamdunn.com] > > Sent: July-21-22 6:57 AM > > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Linuxcnc OEM? > > > > That isn't quite how I read this. > > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fts > > ap > > ps.nist.gov%2Fpublication%2Fget_pdf.cfm%3Fpub_id%3D820252data=0 > > 5% > > 7C01%7Ctoddz%40pgrahamdunn.com%7C88e644dce51b4c4f1d9908da6b515c04%7C > > 57 > > 58544c573f47cebee96c3e0806fb43%7C0%7C0%7C637940294428622958%7CUnknow > > n% > > 7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLC > > JX > > VCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7Csdata=kULzq7GHrdEhnT5bwkGS4m%2FJ4W7Ca > > wt > > b1KwFiHDYaLs%3Dreserved=0 > > > > Todd Zuercher > > P. Graham Dunn Inc. > > 630 Henry Street > > Dalton, Ohio 44618 > > Phone: (330)828-2105ext. 2031 > > > > -Original Message- > > From: dave engvall > > Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2022 9:37 AM > > To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Linuxcnc OEM? > > > > [EXTERNAL EMAIL] Be sure links are safe. > > > > One has to remember that emc was written not as a machine controller > > but to demonstrate the concept of communication between machines. In > like manner steppers were an add-on. > > Linuxcnc is only alive today because of a critical mass of dedicated > volunteer programmers. > > > > Dave > > On 7/21/22 2:32 AM, andy pugh wrote: > > > On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 at 03:22, Charles Steinkuehler > > > wrote: > > >> I'm not sure of their international shipping details, but > > >> Probotix sells LCNC based routers: > > >> > > >> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2 > > >> Fw > > >> ww > > >> .probotix.com%2Fdata=05%7C01%7Ctoddz%40pgrahamdunn.com%7C5f7 > > >> b3 > > >> 42 > > >> d131c48e6d8d108da6b1e4c91%7C5758544c573f47cebee96c3e0806fb43%7C0% > > >> 7C > > >> 0% > > >> 7C637940075123777231%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAi > > >> LC > > >> JQ > > >> IjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7Csd > > >> at > > >> a= > > >> oBCdxfAcAyiPorL%2FZO%2F%2Fy6b%2BgdPDg%2FPTA2K48detEGg%3Drese > > >> rv > > >> ed > > >> =0 > > > Which mentions that they have (amusingly) sold LinuxCNC systems to > > > NIST. :-) > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > Emc-users mailing list > > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fli > > st > > s.sourceforge.net%2Flists%2Flisdata=05%7C01%7Ctoddz%40pgrahamdu > > nn > > .com%7C88e644dce51b4c4f1d9908da6b515c04%7C5758544c573f47cebee96c3e08 > > 06 > > fb43%7C0%7C0%7C637940294428622958%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC > > 4w > >
Re: [Emc-users] Linuxcnc OEM?
Buried in the various lists are history snips of the development of what we know know as LCNC. Earliest dates I have seen for work on this was mid 1980s. Heres one such snip https://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/common/emc-history.html On Fri, Jul 22, 2022 at 8:53 AM Todd Zuercher wrote: > I think the page that linked to it said that it was published in 1994. > But I agree it is odd that the date isn't in the paper itself. > > Todd Zuercher > P. Graham Dunn Inc. > 630 Henry Street > Dalton, Ohio 44618 > Phone: (330)828-2105ext. 2031 > > -Original Message- > From: John Dammeyer > Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2022 3:43 PM > To: 'Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)' > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Linuxcnc OEM? > > [EXTERNAL EMAIL] Be sure links are safe. > > Interesting that a document like that doesn't have a date. > > > -Original Message- > > From: Todd Zuercher [mailto:to...@pgrahamdunn.com] > > Sent: July-21-22 6:57 AM > > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Linuxcnc OEM? > > > > That isn't quite how I read this. > > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftsap > > ps.nist.gov%2Fpublication%2Fget_pdf.cfm%3Fpub_id%3D820252data=05% > > 7C01%7Ctoddz%40pgrahamdunn.com%7C88e644dce51b4c4f1d9908da6b515c04%7C57 > > 58544c573f47cebee96c3e0806fb43%7C0%7C0%7C637940294428622958%7CUnknown% > > 7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJX > > VCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7Csdata=kULzq7GHrdEhnT5bwkGS4m%2FJ4W7Cawt > > b1KwFiHDYaLs%3Dreserved=0 > > > > Todd Zuercher > > P. Graham Dunn Inc. > > 630 Henry Street > > Dalton, Ohio 44618 > > Phone: (330)828-2105ext. 2031 > > > > -Original Message- > > From: dave engvall > > Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2022 9:37 AM > > To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Linuxcnc OEM? > > > > [EXTERNAL EMAIL] Be sure links are safe. > > > > One has to remember that emc was written not as a machine controller > > but to demonstrate the concept of communication between machines. In > like manner steppers were an add-on. > > Linuxcnc is only alive today because of a critical mass of dedicated > volunteer programmers. > > > > Dave > > On 7/21/22 2:32 AM, andy pugh wrote: > > > On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 at 03:22, Charles Steinkuehler > > > wrote: > > >> I'm not sure of their international shipping details, but Probotix > > >> sells LCNC based routers: > > >> > > >> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fw > > >> ww > > >> .probotix.com%2Fdata=05%7C01%7Ctoddz%40pgrahamdunn.com%7C5f7b3 > > >> 42 > > >> d131c48e6d8d108da6b1e4c91%7C5758544c573f47cebee96c3e0806fb43%7C0%7C > > >> 0% > > >> 7C637940075123777231%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLC > > >> JQ > > >> IjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7Csdat > > >> a= > > >> oBCdxfAcAyiPorL%2FZO%2F%2Fy6b%2BgdPDg%2FPTA2K48detEGg%3Dreserv > > >> ed > > >> =0 > > > Which mentions that they have (amusingly) sold LinuxCNC systems to > > > NIST. :-) > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > Emc-users mailing list > > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flist > > s.sourceforge.net%2Flists%2Flisdata=05%7C01%7Ctoddz%40pgrahamdunn > > .com%7C88e644dce51b4c4f1d9908da6b515c04%7C5758544c573f47cebee96c3e0806 > > fb43%7C0%7C0%7C637940294428622958%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4w > > LjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C > > sdata=HM4wrZLvVA7UX5B%2BP%2BMvTn2QwKMd7VaaBBJWnAEfnng%3Drese > > rved=0 > > tinfo%2Femc- > > usersdata=05%7C01%7Ctoddz%40pgrahamdunn.com%7C5f7b342d131c48e6d8d > > 108da6b1e4c91%7 > > C5758544c573f47cebee96c3e0806fb43%7C0%7C0%7C637940075123777231%7CUnkno > > wn%7CTWFpbGZs > > b3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D > > %7C3000%7C%7C%7C& > > amp;sdata=74CIIufVCLVu6v6o4dJJsd5FQXhlyIRE59NmdH1u0v4%3Dreserved= > > 0 > > > > > > ___ > > Emc-users mailing list > > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flist > > s.sourceforge.net%2Flists%2Flistinfo%2Femc-usersdata=05%7C01%7Cto > > ddz%40pgrahamdunn.com%7C88e644dce51b4c4f1d9908da6b515c04%7C5758544c573 > > f47cebee96c3e0806fb43%7C0%7C0%7C637940294428622958%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZ > > sb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3 > > D%7C3000%7C%7C%7Csdata=%2BngLNqbkZPJclbYG7yPw8yivQqZvQZoklBCq%2BU > > mq5IM%3Dreserved=0 > > > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > >
Re: [Emc-users] Linuxcnc OEM?
I think the page that linked to it said that it was published in 1994. But I agree it is odd that the date isn't in the paper itself. Todd Zuercher P. Graham Dunn Inc. 630 Henry Street Dalton, Ohio 44618 Phone: (330)828-2105ext. 2031 -Original Message- From: John Dammeyer Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2022 3:43 PM To: 'Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)' Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Linuxcnc OEM? [EXTERNAL EMAIL] Be sure links are safe. Interesting that a document like that doesn't have a date. > -Original Message- > From: Todd Zuercher [mailto:to...@pgrahamdunn.com] > Sent: July-21-22 6:57 AM > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Linuxcnc OEM? > > That isn't quite how I read this. > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftsap > ps.nist.gov%2Fpublication%2Fget_pdf.cfm%3Fpub_id%3D820252data=05% > 7C01%7Ctoddz%40pgrahamdunn.com%7C88e644dce51b4c4f1d9908da6b515c04%7C57 > 58544c573f47cebee96c3e0806fb43%7C0%7C0%7C637940294428622958%7CUnknown% > 7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJX > VCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7Csdata=kULzq7GHrdEhnT5bwkGS4m%2FJ4W7Cawt > b1KwFiHDYaLs%3Dreserved=0 > > Todd Zuercher > P. Graham Dunn Inc. > 630 Henry Street > Dalton, Ohio 44618 > Phone: (330)828-2105ext. 2031 > > -Original Message- > From: dave engvall > Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2022 9:37 AM > To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Linuxcnc OEM? > > [EXTERNAL EMAIL] Be sure links are safe. > > One has to remember that emc was written not as a machine controller > but to demonstrate the concept of communication between machines. In like > manner steppers were an add-on. > Linuxcnc is only alive today because of a critical mass of dedicated > volunteer programmers. > > Dave > On 7/21/22 2:32 AM, andy pugh wrote: > > On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 at 03:22, Charles Steinkuehler > > wrote: > >> I'm not sure of their international shipping details, but Probotix > >> sells LCNC based routers: > >> > >> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fw > >> ww > >> .probotix.com%2Fdata=05%7C01%7Ctoddz%40pgrahamdunn.com%7C5f7b3 > >> 42 > >> d131c48e6d8d108da6b1e4c91%7C5758544c573f47cebee96c3e0806fb43%7C0%7C > >> 0% > >> 7C637940075123777231%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLC > >> JQ > >> IjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7Csdat > >> a= > >> oBCdxfAcAyiPorL%2FZO%2F%2Fy6b%2BgdPDg%2FPTA2K48detEGg%3Dreserv > >> ed > >> =0 > > Which mentions that they have (amusingly) sold LinuxCNC systems to > > NIST. :-) > > > > > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flist > s.sourceforge.net%2Flists%2Flisdata=05%7C01%7Ctoddz%40pgrahamdunn > .com%7C88e644dce51b4c4f1d9908da6b515c04%7C5758544c573f47cebee96c3e0806 > fb43%7C0%7C0%7C637940294428622958%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4w > LjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C > sdata=HM4wrZLvVA7UX5B%2BP%2BMvTn2QwKMd7VaaBBJWnAEfnng%3Drese > rved=0 > tinfo%2Femc- > usersdata=05%7C01%7Ctoddz%40pgrahamdunn.com%7C5f7b342d131c48e6d8d > 108da6b1e4c91%7 > C5758544c573f47cebee96c3e0806fb43%7C0%7C0%7C637940075123777231%7CUnkno > wn%7CTWFpbGZs > b3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D > %7C3000%7C%7C%7C& > amp;sdata=74CIIufVCLVu6v6o4dJJsd5FQXhlyIRE59NmdH1u0v4%3Dreserved= > 0 > > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flist > s.sourceforge.net%2Flists%2Flistinfo%2Femc-usersdata=05%7C01%7Cto > ddz%40pgrahamdunn.com%7C88e644dce51b4c4f1d9908da6b515c04%7C5758544c573 > f47cebee96c3e0806fb43%7C0%7C0%7C637940294428622958%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZ > sb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3 > D%7C3000%7C%7C%7Csdata=%2BngLNqbkZPJclbYG7yPw8yivQqZvQZoklBCq%2BU > mq5IM%3Dreserved=0 ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.sourceforge.net%2Flists%2Flistinfo%2Femc-usersdata=05%7C01%7Ctoddz%40pgrahamdunn.com%7C88e644dce51b4c4f1d9908da6b515c04%7C5758544c573f47cebee96c3e0806fb43%7C0%7C0%7C637940294428622958%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7Csdata=%2BngLNqbkZPJclbYG7yPw8yivQqZvQZoklBCq%2BUmq5IM%3Dreserved=0 ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
