Re: [Emc-users] Linux Workstation.

2023-05-09 Thread John Dammeyer 
I have Debian running on a very old MacBook where it uses the Raspberry Pi user 
interface.  Looks like a Pi.  Don't really like the MacBook touchpad.

I've downloaded the .iso file.  Sad thing is it's just a tad larger than the 
DVD R/W disks I have here.   That means I'll have to look at a USB stick to 
boot from.  

The 1TB SSD I have can connect onto a USB 3.0 adaptor.  I wonder, if I used 
that as the target, if it would boot and install onto itself...

John

> -Original Message-
> From: Gregg Eshelman via Emc-users [mailto:emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net]
> Sent: May-09-23 6:34 PM
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> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Linux Workstation.
> 
> Debian is also what Open Media Vault is built to run on. I have it on a 2011 
> Mac Mini running a DLNA server
> for playing videos on a Samsung TV. OMV 6 makes the Mac Mini obey the user 
> when it comes to power
> settings and not going to deep sleep where it falls off the LAN. OMV 5 
> required a terminal hack to stop all
> power management in Debian.
> 
> I got a dual hard drive kit and installed a 500 gig and a 2 TB drive in the 
> Mac. Plenty of room, for now.
> 
> On Tuesday, May 9, 2023 at 05:08:45 PM MDT, gene heskett 
>  wrote:
> 
> When the next version of linuxcnc was based on debian I followed like a
> good little sheep, finding a huge, knowledgeable user base where busted
> stuff actually got fixed. A breath of fresh air indeed. And 80% of the
> rest of this planet uses debian, either directly from the debian repo's
> or indirectly by building from debian srcs.
> 
> My $.02, debian is where its at. And, unless some huge, show stopper bug
> is found in linuxcnc-2.8.x, linuxcnc will be part of the upcoming stable
> release of debian 12, aka bookworm.� What's not to like?
> 
> Take care & stay well.
> 
> Cheers, Gene Heskett.
> 
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Re: [Emc-users] Linux Workstation.

2023-05-09 Thread Gregg Eshelman via Emc-users 
Debian is also what Open Media Vault is built to run on. I have it on a 2011 
Mac Mini running a DLNA server for playing videos on a Samsung TV. OMV 6 makes 
the Mac Mini obey the user when it comes to power settings and not going to 
deep sleep where it falls off the LAN. OMV 5 required a terminal hack to stop 
all power management in Debian.

I got a dual hard drive kit and installed a 500 gig and a 2 TB drive in the 
Mac. Plenty of room, for now. 

On Tuesday, May 9, 2023 at 05:08:45 PM MDT, gene heskett  
wrote: 

When the next version of linuxcnc was based on debian I followed like a 
good little sheep, finding a huge, knowledgeable user base where busted 
stuff actually got fixed. A breath of fresh air indeed. And 80% of the 
rest of this planet uses debian, either directly from the debian repo's 
or indirectly by building from debian srcs.

My $.02, debian is where its at. And, unless some huge, show stopper bug 
is found in linuxcnc-2.8.x, linuxcnc will be part of the upcoming stable 
release of debian 12, aka bookworm.  What's not to like?

Take care & stay well.

Cheers, Gene Heskett.


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Re: [Emc-users] Linux Workstation.

2023-05-09 Thread gene heskett 

On 5/9/23 17:16, John Dammeyer wrote:

I have a system based on an i7-2600K CPU @ 3.4GHz with 16GB RAM and 2TB hard 
drive that used to run the 64 bit WIN-7.
For the Windows side of things I have a newer system with WIN-10 that is 
ultimately upgradable to WIN-11.  I have no desire to ever run WIN-11.  But I 
have to have Windows simply to support what my clients want.
  
I'm thinking it may well be time to set up a real workstation with Linux for email, browsing, writing, spreadsheets and CAD, etc.
  
The last time I looked into this there was quite a variety of user interfaces.  From Caldera, RedHat etc…
  
What's currently the most supported user friendly Linux?
  
Thanks

John


I'm surprised you have to ask that John, its like you've been stuck in 
2006 for the last decade and change.


Caldera was virtually gone when I built my first linux box in 1998, and 
hasn't been heard of since, ditto Corel.
RedHat went commercial around 2003 and the last time I looked, a seat at 
the RedHat table was $695 per machine a year, but the level of support 
is great. When they did that, they also made Fedora for free but support 
was at their convenience so there was always something important busted.
I jumped out of that frying pan, always playing lab rat for redhat about 
3 years later, jumping to ubuntu and mandrake, but ubuntu turned into 
windows & mandrake into mandriva and vanished.


When the next version of linuxcnc was based on debian I followed like a 
good little sheep, finding a huge, knowledgeable user base where busted 
stuff actually got fixed. A breath of fresh air indeed. And 80% of the 
rest of this planet uses debian, either directly from the debian repo's 
or indirectly by building from debian srcs.


My $.02, debian is where its at. And, unless some huge, show stopper bug 
is found in linuxcnc-2.8.x, linuxcnc will be part of the upcoming stable 
release of debian 12, aka bookworm.  What's not to like?


Take care & stay well.

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
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"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
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Re: [Emc-users] Linux Workstation.

2023-05-09 Thread Gregg Eshelman via Emc-users 
You can install Windows Subsystem for Linux 2 (WSL2) on Windows 10 and run GUI 
Linux apps in Windows. Microsoft initially was only going to support WSL1 on 
Windows 10 but at some point they decided to support WSL2.

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/wsl/install After installing WSL, use 
the set default version command to set it to 2.

With WSL installed, you have bash in Powershell. Open a Powershell prompt 
(preferably Run as Admin, especially if you're going to be using sudo for Admin 
tasks in Linux) and type bash then enter to go to the bash shell.

You'll need a multi core CPU with virtualization support and virtualization 
enabled in UEFI or BIOS. WSL2 works very well on a Ryzen 5 3600 6 core CPU with 
32 gig DDR4. So far I've only installed GIMP and a few other things. Still have 
to figure out how to allow Linux apps access to USB devices so I can have my 
Canon LIDE scanner working with GIMP.

On Tuesday, May 9, 2023 at 03:19:01 PM MDT, John Dammeyer 
 wrote: 

I have a system based on an i7-2600K CPU @ 3.4GHz with 16GB RAM and 2TB hard 
drive that used to run the 64 bit WIN-7.
For the Windows side of things I have a newer system with WIN-10 that is 
ultimately upgradable to WIN-11.  I have no desire to ever run WIN-11.  But I 
have to have Windows simply to support what my clients want.

I'm thinking it may well be time to set up a real workstation with Linux for 
email, browsing, writing, spreadsheets and CAD, etc.

The last time I looked into this there was quite a variety of user interfaces.  
From Caldera, RedHat etc…

What's currently the most supported user friendly Linux?


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Re: [Emc-users] Linux Workstation.

2023-05-09 Thread Ralph Stirling 
My current preference is Linux Mint (Ubuntu based distro) with the MATE 
desktop.  Second choice is Ubuntu 22 with Gnome classic desktop.

Desktop environment depends a lot on personal preference. I'm old fashioned, 
liking drop down menus.

-- Ralph

On May 9, 2023 2:15 PM, John Dammeyer  wrote:
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system.


I have a system based on an i7-2600K CPU @ 3.4GHz with 16GB RAM and 2TB hard 
drive that used to run the 64 bit WIN-7.
For the Windows side of things I have a newer system with WIN-10 that is 
ultimately upgradable to WIN-11.  I have no desire to ever run WIN-11.  But I 
have to have Windows simply to support what my clients want.

I'm thinking it may well be time to set up a real workstation with Linux for 
email, browsing, writing, spreadsheets and CAD, etc.

The last time I looked into this there was quite a variety of user interfaces.  
From Caldera, RedHat etc…

What's currently the most supported user friendly Linux?

Thanks
John

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[Emc-users] Linux Workstation.

2023-05-09 Thread John Dammeyer 
I have a system based on an i7-2600K CPU @ 3.4GHz with 16GB RAM and 2TB hard 
drive that used to run the 64 bit WIN-7.
For the Windows side of things I have a newer system with WIN-10 that is 
ultimately upgradable to WIN-11.  I have no desire to ever run WIN-11.  But I 
have to have Windows simply to support what my clients want.
 
I'm thinking it may well be time to set up a real workstation with Linux for 
email, browsing, writing, spreadsheets and CAD, etc.
 
The last time I looked into this there was quite a variety of user interfaces.  
From Caldera, RedHat etc…
 
What's currently the most supported user friendly Linux?
 
Thanks
John

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