Re: [Emc-users] Can't find the PP. Where is lspci or equiv ?

[Gregg Eshelman via Emc-users]

Many motherboards still have an "ISA Bus" that has a few onboard peripherals 
such as a parallel port and an RS232C port and some other things that work fine 
slowly.

On Wednesday, May 5, 2021, 7:54:33 AM MDT, Todd Zuercher 
 wrote:  
 It won't show a standard onboard motherboard port, because those are not on 
the PCI bus.

Todd Zuercher
P. Graham Dunn Inc.
630 Henry Street 
Dalton, Ohio 44618
Phone:  (330)828-2105ext. 2031

-Original Message-
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Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2021 8:26 PM
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> From: Jon Elson [mailto:el...@pico-systems.com]
> >
> >
> On some installs, for some reason, lspci is not listed in the right 
> library, and you have to use /sbin/lspci
>
> I have no idea why, might be a Debian idea.
>
> You DO have to run it under sudo or with privileges to see all the 
> details of devices, but the basic info of device type will show 
> without sudo.
>
> Jon

I thought I'd try that on my LinuxCNC system.  With or without sudo it does 
print a list of all the devices but it doesn't tell me the actual port address 
of the standard port on the machine (0x378) which I know because when I dual 
boot it into MACH3 instead of Linux and move the parallel port cable from the 
MESA to the back of the machine it works with that address.

I haven't run it with the back of the machine in Linux for a while but the hal 
file uses cfg=0 for the standard port and when I had a second PCI card 
installed it was cfg=0x2000

John  
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Re: [Emc-users] Can't find the PP. Where is lspci or equiv ?

[John Dammeyer]

How about that!  The 'sudo' in front now reports the correct addresses for 
parport0.  


> -Original Message-
> From: John Dammeyer [mailto:jo...@autoartisans.com]
> Sent: May-05-21 10:32 AM
> To: 'Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)'
> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Can't find the PP. Where is lspci or equiv ?
> 
> Could be.  I'll check with sudo.  Like I was saying.  I no longer use it with 
> LinuxCNC since I have the MESA board but it's still nice to
> document exactly what one would do if they were still using the par port.
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: andy pugh [mailto:bodge...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: May-05-21 10:11 AM
> > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)
> > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Can't find the PP. Where is lspci or equiv ?
> >
> > On Wed, 5 May 2021 at 18:02, John Dammeyer  wrote:
> >
> > When I did that the address was -
> > >
> >
> > Addresses may be hidden from non-privileged users. Did you use sudo?
> >
> > (lsmod gives fake addresses)
> >
> > --
> > atp
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> > for the especial use of mechanical geniuses, daredevils and lunatics."
> > ? George Fitch, Atlanta Constitution Newspaper, 1912
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Re: [Emc-users] Can't find the PP. Where is lspci or equiv ?

[John Dammeyer]

Could be.  I'll check with sudo.  Like I was saying.  I no longer use it with 
LinuxCNC since I have the MESA board but it's still nice to document exactly 
what one would do if they were still using the par port.

> -Original Message-
> From: andy pugh [mailto:bodge...@gmail.com]
> Sent: May-05-21 10:11 AM
> To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)
> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Can't find the PP. Where is lspci or equiv ?
> 
> On Wed, 5 May 2021 at 18:02, John Dammeyer  wrote:
> 
> When I did that the address was -
> >
> 
> Addresses may be hidden from non-privileged users. Did you use sudo?
> 
> (lsmod gives fake addresses)
> 
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Re: [Emc-users] Can't find the PP. Where is lspci or equiv ?

[andy pugh]

On Wed, 5 May 2021 at 18:02, John Dammeyer  wrote:

When I did that the address was -
>

Addresses may be hidden from non-privileged users. Did you use sudo?

(lsmod gives fake addresses)

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Re: [Emc-users] Can't find the PP. Where is lspci or equiv ?

[John Dammeyer]

When I did that the address was -
Go figure...eh?

> -Original Message-
> From: Todd Zuercher [mailto:to...@pgrahamdunn.com]
> Sent: May-05-21 6:58 AM
> To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)
> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Can't find the PP. Where is lspci or equiv ?
> 
> Use this command to see port addresses for motherboard parallel ports and any 
> other parallel port that is properly identified as a
> parallel port.
> 
> cat /proc/ioports | grep parport
> 
> This won't work for some add in card ports that are not properly recognized 
> as parallel ports by the Linux kernel.  Those cards may
> still work with Linuxcnc, but you'll need to use lspci to look up their 
> addresses.
> 
> Todd Zuercher
> P. Graham Dunn Inc.
> 630 Henry Street�
> Dalton, Ohio 44618
> Phone:� (330)828-2105ext. 2031
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: andy pugh 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2021 3:32 AM
> To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) 
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> 
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> On Wed, 5 May 2021 at 03:19, John Dammeyer  wrote:
> 
> >
> > Interesting.  Hadn't thought to use verbose.  What's even more
> > interesting is my parallel port doesn't show up in the list.
> >
> 
> Motherboard P-Ports are not always on the PCI bus. Those show up with cat 
> /proc/ioports
> 
> --
> atp
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Re: [Emc-users] Can't find the PP. Where is lspci or equiv ?

[John Dammeyer]

That's probably the issue the original poster is having then too.  I think when 
you go into the boot bios screens it tells you the parallel port addresses.  
It's likely the HAL file for the par port knows that 0x378 is parport0 and so 
on.  But that can be confusing.

John


> -Original Message-
> From: Todd Zuercher [mailto:to...@pgrahamdunn.com]
> Sent: May-05-21 6:37 AM
> To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)
> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Can't find the PP. Where is lspci or equiv ?
> 
> It won't show a standard onboard motherboard port, because those are not on 
> the PCI bus.
> 
> Todd Zuercher
> P. Graham Dunn Inc.
> 630 Henry Street
> Dalton, Ohio 44618
> Phone:  (330)828-2105ext. 2031
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: John Dammeyer 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2021 8:26 PM
> To: 'Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)' 
> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Can't find the PP. Where is lspci or equiv ?
> 
> [EXTERNAL EMAIL] Be sure links are safe.
> 
> > From: Jon Elson [mailto:el...@pico-systems.com]
> > >
> > >
> > On some installs, for some reason, lspci is not listed in the right
> > library, and you have to use /sbin/lspci
> >
> > I have no idea why, might be a Debian idea.
> >
> > You DO have to run it under sudo or with privileges to see all the
> > details of devices, but the basic info of device type will show
> > without sudo.
> >
> > Jon
> 
> I thought I'd try that on my LinuxCNC system.  With or without sudo it does 
> print a list of all the devices but it doesn't tell me the
> actual port address of the standard port on the machine (0x378) which I know 
> because when I dual boot it into MACH3 instead of
> Linux and move the parallel port cable from the MESA to the back of the 
> machine it works with that address.
> 
> I haven't run it with the back of the machine in Linux for a while but the 
> hal file uses cfg=0 for the standard port and when I had a
> second PCI card installed it was cfg=0x2000
> 
> John
> 
> 
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Re: [Emc-users] Can't find the PP. Where is lspci or equiv ?

[Jon Elson]

On 05/04/2021 09:16 PM, John Dammeyer wrote:

From: Jon Elson [mailto:el...@pico-systems.com]
On 05/04/2021 07:26 PM, John Dammeyer wrote:

I thought I'd try that on my LinuxCNC system.  With or without sudo it does 
print a list of all the devices but it doesn't tell me the

actual port address of the standard port on the machine (0x378) which I know 
because when I dual boot it into MACH3 instead of
Linux and move the parallel port cable from the MESA to the back of the machine 
it works with that address.



To get the port addresses, you need lspci -v

Jon


Interesting.  Hadn't thought to use verbose.  What's even more interesting is 
my parallel port doesn't show up in the list.

Is it actually on the PCI bus?  On older motherboards, they 
were on a multi-IO chip on, essentially, an internal ISA bus 
bridge.  These chips usually had 1 parallel, 2 serial, 
floppy and game (joystick) port.


Jon


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[Emc-users] Can't find the PP. Where is lspci or equiv ?

[Roland Jollivet]

Just enter the Bios on startup...


On Tue, 4 May 2021 at 21:05, Ed  wrote:

> Updating an old retrofit that uses step servos, Gecko 320's. I tried
> using lspci to find the ports (onboard and an addon ) and no such animal
> as lspci. Is there another good way to find the ports?
>
>
> Some year it is getting a Pico PWM i have setup on it but not today.
>
>
> Ed.
>
>
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Re: [Emc-users] Can't find the PP. Where is lspci or equiv ?

[Todd Zuercher]

Use this command to see port addresses for motherboard parallel ports and any 
other parallel port that is properly identified as a parallel port.

cat /proc/ioports | grep parport

This won't work for some add in card ports that are not properly recognized as 
parallel ports by the Linux kernel.  Those cards may still work with Linuxcnc, 
but you'll need to use lspci to look up their addresses.

Todd Zuercher
P. Graham Dunn Inc.
630 Henry Street 
Dalton, Ohio 44618
Phone:  (330)828-2105ext. 2031

-Original Message-
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Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2021 3:32 AM
To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) 
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Can't find the PP. Where is lspci or equiv ?

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On Wed, 5 May 2021 at 03:19, John Dammeyer  wrote:

>
> Interesting.  Hadn't thought to use verbose.  What's even more 
> interesting is my parallel port doesn't show up in the list.
>

Motherboard P-Ports are not always on the PCI bus. Those show up with cat 
/proc/ioports

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Re: [Emc-users] Can't find the PP. Where is lspci or equiv ?

[Todd Zuercher]

It won't show a standard onboard motherboard port, because those are not on the 
PCI bus.

Todd Zuercher
P. Graham Dunn Inc.
630 Henry Street 
Dalton, Ohio 44618
Phone:  (330)828-2105ext. 2031

-Original Message-
From: John Dammeyer  
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2021 8:26 PM
To: 'Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)' 
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Can't find the PP. Where is lspci or equiv ?

[EXTERNAL EMAIL] Be sure links are safe.

> From: Jon Elson [mailto:el...@pico-systems.com]
> >
> >
> On some installs, for some reason, lspci is not listed in the right 
> library, and you have to use /sbin/lspci
>
> I have no idea why, might be a Debian idea.
>
> You DO have to run it under sudo or with privileges to see all the 
> details of devices, but the basic info of device type will show 
> without sudo.
>
> Jon

I thought I'd try that on my LinuxCNC system.  With or without sudo it does 
print a list of all the devices but it doesn't tell me the actual port address 
of the standard port on the machine (0x378) which I know because when I dual 
boot it into MACH3 instead of Linux and move the parallel port cable from the 
MESA to the back of the machine it works with that address.

I haven't run it with the back of the machine in Linux for a while but the hal 
file uses cfg=0 for the standard port and when I had a second PCI card 
installed it was cfg=0x2000

John




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Re: [Emc-users] Can't find the PP. Where is lspci or equiv ?

[andy pugh]

On Wed, 5 May 2021 at 03:19, John Dammeyer  wrote:

>
> Interesting.  Hadn't thought to use verbose.  What's even more interesting
> is my parallel port doesn't show up in the list.
>

Motherboard P-Ports are not always on the PCI bus. Those show up with cat
/proc/ioports

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Re: [Emc-users] Can't find the PP. Where is lspci or equiv ?

[John Dammeyer]

> From: Jon Elson [mailto:el...@pico-systems.com]
> On 05/04/2021 07:26 PM, John Dammeyer wrote:
> >>
> > I thought I'd try that on my LinuxCNC system.  With or without sudo it does 
> > print a list of all the devices but it doesn't tell me the
> actual port address of the standard port on the machine (0x378) which I know 
> because when I dual boot it into MACH3 instead of
> Linux and move the parallel port cable from the MESA to the back of the 
> machine it works with that address.
> >
> >
> To get the port addresses, you need lspci -v
> 
> Jon
> 
Interesting.  Hadn't thought to use verbose.  What's even more interesting is 
my parallel port doesn't show up in the list.
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Re: [Emc-users] Can't find the PP. Where is lspci or equiv ?

[Jon Elson]

On 05/04/2021 07:26 PM, John Dammeyer wrote:



I thought I'd try that on my LinuxCNC system.  With or without sudo it does 
print a list of all the devices but it doesn't tell me the actual port address 
of the standard port on the machine (0x378) which I know because when I dual 
boot it into MACH3 instead of Linux and move the parallel port cable from the 
MESA to the back of the machine it works with that address.



To get the port addresses, you need lspci -v

Jon


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Re: [Emc-users] Can't find the PP. Where is lspci or equiv ?

[John Dammeyer]

> From: Jon Elson [mailto:el...@pico-systems.com]
> >
> >
> On some installs, for some reason, lspci is not listed in
> the right library, and you have to use
> /sbin/lspci
> 
> I have no idea why, might be a Debian idea.
> 
> You DO have to run it under sudo or with privileges to see
> all the details of devices, but the basic info
> of device type will show without sudo.
> 
> Jon

I thought I'd try that on my LinuxCNC system.  With or without sudo it does 
print a list of all the devices but it doesn't tell me the actual port address 
of the standard port on the machine (0x378) which I know because when I dual 
boot it into MACH3 instead of Linux and move the parallel port cable from the 
MESA to the back of the machine it works with that address.

I haven't run it with the back of the machine in Linux for a while but the hal 
file uses cfg=0 for the standard port and when I had a second PCI card 
installed it was cfg=0x2000

John




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Re: [Emc-users] Can't find the PP. Where is lspci or equiv ?

[Jon Elson]

On 05/04/2021 02:01 PM, Ed wrote:
Updating an old retrofit that uses step servos, Gecko 
320's. I tried using lspci to find the ports (onboard and 
an addon ) and no such animal as lspci. Is there another 
good way to find the ports?



On some installs, for some reason, lspci is not listed in 
the right library, and you have to use

/sbin/lspci

I have no idea why, might be a Debian idea.

You DO have to run it under sudo or with privileges to see 
all the details of devices, but the basic info

of device type will show without sudo.

Jon


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Re: [Emc-users] Can't find the PP. Where is lspci or equiv ?

[Matthew Herd]

To be clear, I may have had to run install pciutils to get it to work, but I 
know it worked.  I have install notes somewhere, but they aren’t handy.

> On May 4, 2021, at 5:51 PM, andy pugh  wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 4 May 2021 at 22:06, Ed  wrote:
> 
>> Just installed 2.8 Wheezy and lspci works great. Go figure.
> 
> I wouldn't recommend using Wheezy any more, though, it is well and
> truly out of support.
> 
> With the Buster install you could try "sudo apt-get install pciutils"
> 
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Re: [Emc-users] Can't find the PP. Where is lspci or equiv ?

[andy pugh]

On Tue, 4 May 2021 at 22:06, Ed  wrote:

> Just installed 2.8 Wheezy and lspci works great. Go figure.

I wouldn't recommend using Wheezy any more, though, it is well and
truly out of support.

With the Buster install you could try "sudo apt-get install pciutils"

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Re: [Emc-users] Can't find the PP. Where is lspci or equiv ?

[Ed]

On 5/4/21 3:18 PM, Matthew Herd wrote:

I installed the LinuxCNC 2.8.0 Debian 10 Buster PREEMPT-RT ISO a few months ago 
direct from the downloads page (http://linuxcnc.org/downloads/ 
).  I can confirm that lspci worked for me.


This was a Buster install.

Just installed 2.8 Wheezy and lspci works great. Go figure.


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Re: [Emc-users] Can't find the PP. Where is lspci or equiv ?

[Matthew Herd]

I installed the LinuxCNC 2.8.0 Debian 10 Buster PREEMPT-RT ISO a few months ago 
direct from the downloads page (http://linuxcnc.org/downloads/ 
).  I can confirm that lspci worked for me.

> On May 4, 2021, at 3:58 PM, Ed  wrote:
> 
> On 5/4/21 2:46 PM, andy pugh wrote:
>> On Tue, 4 May 2021 at 20:06, Ed  wrote:
>>>  no such animal as lspci.
>> Try "sudo lspci". Linux denies all knowledge of commands that you
>> don't have the rights to. I have no idea why.
> 
> 
> Comes back as  "command not found "
> 
>> 
>>> Is there another good way to find the ports?
>> cat /proc/ioports
>> if it is an onboard one.
> 
>  All ports shown have zero's.
> 
> 
> This is on a fresh down load of 2.8.0 on a Dell Optiplex 755.
> 
> 
> Maybe a bad install?
> 
> 
> Ed.
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Re: [Emc-users] Can't find the PP. Where is lspci or equiv ?

[Ed]

On 5/4/21 2:46 PM, andy pugh wrote:

On Tue, 4 May 2021 at 20:06, Ed  wrote:

  no such animal as lspci.

Try "sudo lspci". Linux denies all knowledge of commands that you
don't have the rights to. I have no idea why.



Comes back as  "command not found "




Is there another good way to find the ports?

cat /proc/ioports
if it is an onboard one.


 All ports shown have zero's.


This is on a fresh down load of 2.8.0 on a Dell Optiplex 755.


Maybe a bad install?


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Re: [Emc-users] Can't find the PP. Where is lspci or equiv ?

[andy pugh]

On Tue, 4 May 2021 at 20:06, Ed  wrote:
>
>  no such animal as lspci.

Try "sudo lspci". Linux denies all knowledge of commands that you
don't have the rights to. I have no idea why.

> Is there another good way to find the ports?

cat /proc/ioports
if it is an onboard one.


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[Emc-users] Can't find the PP. Where is lspci or equiv ?

[Ed]

Updating an old retrofit that uses step servos, Gecko 320's. I tried 
using lspci to find the ports (onboard and an addon ) and no such animal 
as lspci. Is there another good way to find the ports?



Some year it is getting a Pico PWM i have setup on it but not today.


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