Re: [Emc-users] AMD based Mini-ITX Mobo, Good option?
Thanks for all the replys. For the ones that have worked with this board are the graphics drivers fairly straight forward, or is this a graphics card that will take lots of hunting and hacking in xorg to get going? Im looking for the most straight forward motherboard solution I can find. Im going to end up building at least 3 PCs to run a router, mill and lathe, and I would like to do as little hacking with this stuff as possible. Thanks, Joe -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] AMD based Mini-ITX Mobo, Good option?
On Tue, 18 Sep 2012, Joe Spanier wrote: Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 05:47:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Joe Spanier bmxsk8e...@yahoo.com To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Emc-users] AMD based Mini-ITX Mobo, Good option? Thanks for all the replys. For the ones that have worked with this board are the graphics drivers fairly straight forward, or is this a graphics card that will take lots of hunting and hacking in xorg to get going? Im looking for the most straight forward motherboard solution I can find. Im going to end up building at least 3 PCs to run a router, mill and lathe, and I would like to do as little hacking with this stuff as possible. Thanks, Joe My installation was this: Unplug Sata drive from D525 Plug Sata drive into AMD system Done Peter Wallace Mesa Electronics (\__/) (='.'=) This is Bunny. Copy and paste bunny into your ()_() signature to help him gain world domination. -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] AMD based Mini-ITX Mobo, Good option?
I got mine today, it's been super busy so I'm not sure when I'm going to be able to power it up On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 8:47 AM, Joe Spanier bmxsk8e...@yahoo.com wrote: Thanks for all the replys. For the ones that have worked with this board are the graphics drivers fairly straight forward, or is this a graphics card that will take lots of hunting and hacking in xorg to get going? Im looking for the most straight forward motherboard solution I can find. Im going to end up building at least 3 PCs to run a router, mill and lathe, and I would like to do as little hacking with this stuff as possible. -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
[Emc-users] AMD based Mini-ITX Mobo, Good option?
Hey Guys! I found another motherboard for a great price and I was curious on your opinions. Heres a link : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?SID=0cJiSgDVEeKnXe4ky_MqHA0_Ic8B3_0_0_0AID=10440897PID=1225267nm_mc=AFC-C8Junctioncm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-cables-_-na-_-naItem=N82E16813128561 Its AMD based with the new APU tech. Has anyone out here tried one of these yet? Or have any ideas whether it would be a good replacement for the D525 boards? BTW, Is there a good way to search these emails or the archive? I Cant for the life of me find a search function in the archive and there seems to be a alot of great stuff hidden in these email lists. Thanks, Joe -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] AMD based Mini-ITX Mobo, Good option?
On Mon, 17 Sep 2012, Joe Spanier wrote: Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 07:47:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Joe Spanier bmxsk8e...@yahoo.com To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Emc-users] AMD based Mini-ITX Mobo, Good option? Hey Guys! I found another motherboard for a great price and I was curious on your opinions. Heres a link : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?SID=0cJiSgDVEeKnXe4ky_MqHA0_Ic8B3_0_0_0AID=10440897PID=1225267nm_mc=AFC-C8Junctioncm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-cables-_-na-_-naItem=N82E16813128561 Its AMD based with the new APU tech. Has anyone out here tried one of these yet? Or have any ideas whether it would be a good replacement for the D525 boards? BTW, Is there a good way to search these emails or the archive? I Cant for the life of me find a search function in the archive and there seems to be a alot of great stuff hidden in these email lists. Thanks, Joe I got a ASUS E35M1-M for testing with the same on card CPU/APU and its fine (~20 usec latencies) Seems a little faster overall than the D525 at the expense of somewhat higher power consumption (the ASUS E35M1-M has passive cooling and the heastsink gets pretty hot) Peter Wallace Mesa Electronics (\__/) (='.'=) This is Bunny. Copy and paste bunny into your ()_() signature to help him gain world domination. -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] AMD based Mini-ITX Mobo, Good option?
On Monday 17 September 2012 11:19:30 Peter C. Wallace did opine: On Mon, 17 Sep 2012, Joe Spanier wrote: Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 07:47:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Joe Spanier bmxsk8e...@yahoo.com To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Emc-users] AMD based Mini-ITX Mobo, Good option? Hey Guys! I found another motherboard for a great price and I was curious on your opinions. Heres a link : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?SID=0cJiSgDVEeKnXe4ky_MqH :A0_Ic8B3_0_0_0AID=10440897PID=1225267nm_mc=AFC-C8Junctioncm_mmc=A :FC-C8Junction-_-cables-_-na-_-naItem=N82E16813128561 Its AMD based with the new APU tech. Has anyone out here tried one of these yet? Or have any ideas whether it would be a good replacement for the D525 boards? BTW, Is there a good way to search these emails or the archive? I Cant for the life of me find a search function in the archive and there seems to be a alot of great stuff hidden in these email lists. Thanks, Joe I got a ASUS E35M1-M for testing with the same on card CPU/APU and its fine (~20 usec latencies) I would not call ~20 u-sec latencies comparable to the pair of D525MW's I have. They are showing circa 3 u-secs, with a very occasional, separated by hours, exception that will throw a realtime error. This is at 23 u-sec BASE_PERIOD. Reseting BASE_PERIOD to 25 u-secs absolutely stops that. Considering that 25 is 20 better than what I had to start with using the older xP1600 athlon, I'm ecstatic. However, since the D525MW is now mostly out of the pipeline, I agree that a suitable 'next-gen' board needs be found. However, I am also concerned that we are running out of time with the 10-04.4 LTS distribution, particularly since we seem to be locked into a kernel whose uptime on this machine has only exceeded 3 weeks of uptime once in close to a year. Its scheduler for normal desktop usage sucks dead toads thru soda straws, and it leaks memory, often into swap on a 4 core, 4Gb machine in an hour after the reboot. This morning seems to be an exception, no swap at 5 hours uptime, but when I rebooted, it took 2 reboots as usual. I have been tempted to add a 6 hour cycle to the root crontab that does a swappoff -a, sleeps 2 secs, and re-enables swap. Has anyone else been tempted to control the leakage by this means? Seems a little faster overall than the D525 at the expense of somewhat higher power consumption (the ASUS E35M1-M has passive cooling and the heastsink gets pretty hot) Peter Wallace Mesa Electronics (\__/) (='.'=) This is Bunny. Copy and paste bunny into your ()_() signature to help him gain world domination. Cheers, Gene -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) My web page: http://coyoteden.dyndns-free.com:85/gene is up! A day without sunshine is like night. -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] AMD based Mini-ITX Mobo, Good option?
On Mon, 17 Sep 2012, Gene Heskett wrote: Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 11:39:57 -0400 From: Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com Reply-To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Emc-users] AMD based Mini-ITX Mobo, Good option? On Monday 17 September 2012 11:19:30 Peter C. Wallace did opine: On Mon, 17 Sep 2012, Joe Spanier wrote: Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 07:47:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Joe Spanier bmxsk8e...@yahoo.com To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Emc-users] AMD based Mini-ITX Mobo, Good option? Hey Guys! I found another motherboard for a great price and I was curious on your opinions. Heres a link : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?SID=0cJiSgDVEeKnXe4ky_MqH :A0_Ic8B3_0_0_0AID=10440897PID=1225267nm_mc=AFC-C8Junctioncm_mmc=A :FC-C8Junction-_-cables-_-na-_-naItem=N82E16813128561 Its AMD based with the new APU tech. Has anyone out here tried one of these yet? Or have any ideas whether it would be a good replacement for the D525 boards? BTW, Is there a good way to search these emails or the archive? I Cant for the life of me find a search function in the archive and there seems to be a alot of great stuff hidden in these email lists. Thanks, Joe I got a ASUS E35M1-M for testing with the same on card CPU/APU and its fine (~20 usec latencies) I would not call ~20 u-sec latencies comparable to the pair of D525MW's I have. They are showing circa 3 u-secs, with a very occasional, separated by hours, exception that will throw a realtime error. This is at 23 u-sec BASE_PERIOD. Reseting BASE_PERIOD to 25 u-secs absolutely stops that. Considering that 25 is 20 better than what I had to start with using the older xP1600 athlon, I'm ecstatic. If you actually test latencies with I/O going on, I think you will find the that D525s are nowhere near 3 usec real latency. The latency test does no I/O so misses things that block hardware access. I've measured in the neighborhood of 75 Usec jitter (with a 'scope) on the servo thread with D525 that reported ~12 uSec on the latency test... This also shows up with the inability of a D525 to run with much more than a 1.5 KHz servo thread without occasional real time faults. The APU boards are better in this respect that the D525 (less servo threadjitter). All this to say, the latency test is not a realistic test of LinuxCNC operating latency, it will detect gross problems and give you a feel for the machince latency performance but thats about it. However, since the D525MW is now mostly out of the pipeline, I agree that a suitable 'next-gen' board needs be found. However, I am also concerned that we are running out of time with the 10-04.4 LTS distribution, particularly since we seem to be locked into a kernel whose uptime on this machine has only exceeded 3 weeks of uptime once in close to a year. Its scheduler for normal desktop usage sucks dead toads thru soda straws, and it leaks memory, often into swap on a 4 core, 4Gb machine in an hour after the reboot. This morning seems to be an exception, no swap at 5 hours uptime, but when I rebooted, it took 2 reboots as usual. I have been tempted to add a 6 hour cycle to the root crontab that does a swappoff -a, sleeps 2 secs, and re-enables swap. Has anyone else been tempted to control the leakage by this means? Seems a little faster overall than the D525 at the expense of somewhat higher power consumption (the ASUS E35M1-M has passive cooling and the heastsink gets pretty hot) Peter Wallace Mesa Electronics (\__/) (='.'=) This is Bunny. Copy and paste bunny into your ()_() signature to help him gain world domination. Cheers, Gene -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) My web page: http://coyoteden.dyndns-free.com:85/gene is up! A day without sunshine is like night. -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users Peter Wallace Mesa Electronics (\__/) (='.'=) This is Bunny. Copy and paste bunny into your ()_() signature to help him gain world domination. -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions
Re: [Emc-users] AMD based Mini-ITX Mobo, Good option?
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 10:47 AM, Joe Spanier bmxsk8e...@yahoo.com wrote: Hey Guys! I found another motherboard for a great price and I was curious on your opinions. Heres a link : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?SID=0cJiSgDVEeKnXe4ky_MqHA0_Ic8B3_0_0_0AID=10440897PID=1225267nm_mc=AFC-C8Junctioncm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-cables-_-na-_-naItem=N82E16813128561 Its AMD based with the new APU tech. Has anyone out here tried one of these yet? Or have any ideas whether it would be a good replacement for the D525 boards? I've been wanting to try the E350, so I ordered one. My desktop with the AMD processor has very good latencies even under a lot of stress, but I didn't want to put that into CNC service. Since I'm using servo, 20us latencies aren't really an issue. Will report back when I get it running. Since these boards have been out for a while, my guess is they aren't going to be available much longer. Eric -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] AMD based Mini-ITX Mobo, Good option?
On Mon, 17 Sep 2012, Eric Keller wrote: Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 12:00:20 -0400 From: Eric Keller eekel...@psu.edu Reply-To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net To: Joe Spanier bmxsk8e...@yahoo.com, Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Emc-users] AMD based Mini-ITX Mobo, Good option? On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 10:47 AM, Joe Spanier bmxsk8e...@yahoo.com wrote: Hey Guys! I found another motherboard for a great price and I was curious on your opinions. Heres a link : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?SID=0cJiSgDVEeKnXe4ky_MqHA0_Ic8B3_0_0_0AID=10440897PID=1225267nm_mc=AFC-C8Junctioncm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-cables-_-na-_-naItem=N82E16813128561 Its AMD based with the new APU tech. Has anyone out here tried one of these yet? Or have any ideas whether it would be a good replacement for the D525 boards? I've been wanting to try the E350, so I ordered one. My desktop with the AMD processor has very good latencies even under a lot of stress, but I didn't want to put that into CNC service. Since I'm using servo, 20us latencies aren't really an issue. Will report back when I get it running. Since these boards have been out for a while, my guess is they aren't going to be available much longer. the E35M1-M I tested with (E350 APU) has just now been replaced by the E45M1-M which is identical except a slighty faster E450 CPU/APU, so I dont think these are going away any time soon. I'm also curious how their big brothers (the FM1 and upcoming FM2 socket APUs) do latency wise, temped to try this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1051828 and add it to my test monkeys Peter Wallace Mesa Electronics (\__/) (='.'=) This is Bunny. Copy and paste bunny into your ()_() signature to help him gain world domination. -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] AMD based Mini-ITX Mobo, Good option?
On Monday 17 September 2012 12:25:26 Peter C. Wallace did opine: On Mon, 17 Sep 2012, Gene Heskett wrote: Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 11:39:57 -0400 From: Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com Reply-To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Emc-users] AMD based Mini-ITX Mobo, Good option? On Monday 17 September 2012 11:19:30 Peter C. Wallace did opine: On Mon, 17 Sep 2012, Joe Spanier wrote: Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 07:47:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Joe Spanier bmxsk8e...@yahoo.com To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Emc-users] AMD based Mini-ITX Mobo, Good option? Hey Guys! I found another motherboard for a great price and I was curious on your opinions. Heres a link : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?SID=0cJiSgDVEeKnXe4ky_M : qH : :A0_Ic8B3_0_0_0AID=10440897PID=1225267nm_mc=AFC-C8Junctioncm_mmc :=A FC-C8Junction-_-cables-_-na-_-naItem=N82E16813128561 Its AMD based with the new APU tech. Has anyone out here tried one of these yet? Or have any ideas whether it would be a good replacement for the D525 boards? BTW, Is there a good way to search these emails or the archive? I Cant for the life of me find a search function in the archive and there seems to be a alot of great stuff hidden in these email lists. Thanks, Joe I got a ASUS E35M1-M for testing with the same on card CPU/APU and its fine (~20 usec latencies) I would not call ~20 u-sec latencies comparable to the pair of D525MW's I have. They are showing circa 3 u-secs, with a very occasional, separated by hours, exception that will throw a realtime error. This is at 23 u-sec BASE_PERIOD. Reseting BASE_PERIOD to 25 u-secs absolutely stops that. Considering that 25 is 20 better than what I had to start with using the older xP1600 athlon, I'm ecstatic. If you actually test latencies with I/O going on, I think you will find the that D525s are nowhere near 3 usec real latency. The latency test does no I/O so misses things that block hardware access. I've measured in the neighborhood of 75 Usec jitter (with a 'scope) on the servo thread with D525 that reported ~12 uSec on the latency test... This also shows up with the inability of a D525 to run with much more than a 1.5 KHz servo thread without occasional real time faults. The APU boards are better in this respect that the D525 (less servo threadjitter). All this to say, the latency test is not a realistic test of LinuxCNC operating latency, it will detect gross problems and give you a feel for the machince latency performance but thats about it. I came to that conclusion sometime back. As a yardstick, its the only one we have ATM. It needs to be expanded, with instructions to disable motor power before running it, so that it does do a marching bit test of the i/o port in use. But my coding skills in assembly on x86 stuff have never been developed, my thinking is too constrained by the straight forward methods the older moto chips used. So x86 stuff looks like pure gibberish to me. Like everyone else, I am watching the RISC scene avidly. But its not there yet for software stepping. However, since the D525MW is now mostly out of the pipeline, I agree that a suitable 'next-gen' board needs be found. However, I am also concerned that we are running out of time with the 10-04.4 LTS distribution, particularly since we seem to be locked into a kernel whose uptime on this machine has only exceeded 3 weeks of uptime once in close to a year. Its scheduler for normal desktop usage sucks dead toads thru soda straws, and it leaks memory, often into swap on a 4 core, 4Gb machine in an hour after the reboot. This morning seems to be an exception, no swap at 5 hours uptime, but when I rebooted, it took 2 reboots as usual. I have been tempted to add a 6 hour cycle to the root crontab that does a swappoff -a, sleeps 2 secs, and re-enables swap. Has anyone else been tempted to control the leakage by this means? Seems a little faster overall than the D525 at the expense of somewhat higher power consumption (the ASUS E35M1-M has passive cooling and the heastsink gets pretty hot) Peter Wallace Mesa Electronics (\__/) (='.'=) This is Bunny. Copy and paste bunny into your ()_() signature to help him gain world domination. Cheers, Gene -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing
Re: [Emc-users] AMD based Mini-ITX Mobo, Good option?
I have a f1a55-Mlx plus with an A6 processor that I had tested recently. I was not as happy with it as the previus asus motherboards/amd processors I have used (sub 10k).. Latencies in the high 30k. screenshot http://imagebin.org/index.php?mode=imageid=228756 I goofed around with the bios and also added a video card with not much improvement. sam On Mon, 17 Sep 2012 09:16:41 -0700 (PDT) Peter C. Wallace p...@mesanet.com wrote: On Mon, 17 Sep 2012, Eric Keller wrote: Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 12:00:20 -0400 From: Eric Keller eekel...@psu.edu Reply-To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net To: Joe Spanier bmxsk8e...@yahoo.com, Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Emc-users] AMD based Mini-ITX Mobo, Good option? On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 10:47 AM, Joe Spanier bmxsk8e...@yahoo.com wrote: Hey Guys! I found another motherboard for a great price and I was curious on your opinions. Heres a link : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?SID=0cJiSgDVEeKnXe4ky_MqHA0_Ic8B3_0_0_0AID=10440897PID=1225267nm_mc=AFC-C8Junctioncm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-cables-_-na-_-naItem=N82E16813128561 Its AMD based with the new APU tech. Has anyone out here tried one of these yet? Or have any ideas whether it would be a good replacement for the D525 boards? I've been wanting to try the E350, so I ordered one. My desktop with the AMD processor has very good latencies even under a lot of stress, but I didn't want to put that into CNC service. Since I'm using servo, 20us latencies aren't really an issue. Will report back when I get it running. Since these boards have been out for a while, my guess is they aren't going to be available much longer. the E35M1-M I tested with (E350 APU) has just now been replaced by the E45M1-M which is identical except a slighty faster E450 CPU/APU, so I dont think these are going away any time soon. I'm also curious how their big brothers (the FM1 and upcoming FM2 socket APUs) do latency wise, temped to try this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1051828 and add it to my test monkeys Peter Wallace Mesa Electronics (\__/) (='.'=) This is Bunny. Copy and paste bunny into your ()_() signature to help him gain world domination. -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
